Open 319: Jungle Republic - Day 5: Calamity *GAME OVER*

[Shadowmod]

Thor665 (3/6) - DeityKabuto , blindfaeth , havingfitz , blindfaeth , BBmolla blindfaeth (3/6) - Thor665 , TheFool , whispersilk , TheFool CMPunk (2/6) - Sky , BBmolla , DonJosh , blindfaeth , TheFool DeityKabuto (1/6) - CMPunk Sky (0/6) - whispersilk Not Voting (1/10): BBmolla With 10 Players alive it requires 6 Votes to lynch / 5 to nolynch. Deadline will be reached on Monday August 29th 2011, 6:00 p.m. Forum Time [UTC-6].

(expired on 2011-08-29 18:00:00)

till Day 2 Deadline

[whispersilk]

@whisper - one of your top scum reads thefool is on my wagon now what do you think about that btw?

I think maybe you're on opposing scum teams.

[whispersilk]

Hey Fool, do you not think Thor is scum?

[TheFool]

Still have a fairly pro-town read on him.

[Sky]

So TheFool, you haven't had a sinking suspicion for CMPunk at all this game?

As the deadline approaches, I'm inclined to join the blindfaeth wagon for reasons entirely that aren't mine, simply because he is the better candidate than Thor who from what I can tell is only being lynched because of his tunneling yesterday.

[blindfaeth]

just do me a favor and vote him tomorrow for his tunneling today AND yesterday

[TheFool]

So TheFool, you haven't had a sinking suspicion for CMPunk at all this game?

Still

not sure what you're getting at. There's not a binary between 'thought him scum all game' and 'never suspected him'. The post where I vote even specifies: "BB's case is reasonable, and most of my townier reads seem to point this way". The fact that three of my townier reads (BB, Thor, and yourself) are all either voting CM or expressing interest in the wagon causes me to wonder if my read is off there.

just do me a favor and vote him tomorrow for his tunneling today AND yesterday

Tunneling is still not a scumtell. Not even remotely. Town do it all the time.

[CMPunk]

Thor is town

CM here displays that he thinks Thor is undoubtedly town which is wierd in itself. This could be because CM-Scum knows Thor-Town is town, or because he's trying to make his scum brother seem more town... or something. I don't think that would be a smart move which is why I'm raising my eyebrow at their relationship.

Or and heres a thought... I just don't see the reason for a scum to take responsibility for the lynch on day 1 and get themselves lynched day 2. there is no scum motivation in what Thor did. And I feel the wagon is scum driven by this fact that he said he would assume responsibility.

[CMPunk]

Hey, BB.. still awaiting your response on this post

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3371720

you seem to ignore every point I have countered with hard facts.b Especially the one where you say I don't give reasons with my votes which by looks of it is your main case. which I have proven as false.

[CMPunk]

just do me a favor and vote him tomorrow for his tunneling today AND yesterday

Tunneling is still not a scumtell. Not even remotely. Town do it all the time.

Yea I feel this is true. Town who feel someone is scum, will focus on them to get them lynched. Scum don't care who gets lynched as long as it is not them and won't focus solely on just one person (i think).

[Thor665]

Scum tunnel too though - it can help limit relational reads.

I'm tunneling due to awesomeness though.

[BBmolla]

Hey, BB.. still awaiting your response on this post

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3371720

you seem to ignore every point I have countered with hard facts.b Especially the one where you say I don't give reasons with my votes which by looks of it is your main case. which I have proven as false.

There's no point in arguing, you'll just argue back with bad reasons, then I'll tell you your reasoning is bad, and you'll argue that with more bad reasoning. Arguing with you is pointless. I doubt I'll be voting you today anyways, the other canidates provide more info.

I'd like Thor and Blindfaeth to make a huge case on the other, linking to any previous cases they made as well. I think they are on opposing sides, I just need to figure out if it's scum vs. scum or scum vs. town, and if the latter is the case, which is which.

[Shadowmod]

Once there was a man called DeityKabuto. He was a man of many words, but one day, without apparent cause, he was all silent for too long and earned a shiny little prod from his loving mod... It was his first, I hope his last, and right now on the way to him.

[Thor665]

I'd like Thor and Blindfaeth to make a huge case on the other, linking to any previous cases they made as well.

I refuse to make the case huge.

Here's the case;

Yesterday roars in, calls me scum *for my case on Ray*.
I repeat my case on Ray and claim it's not scummy.
He quick switches and suddenly votes for Ray *based on my case*.
Ray and I both note this and admit it's awkward (so even if you think I'm dumb and terrible with cases and Ray is awesome, we both saw the same thing).
Ray is lynched.
blindfaeth enters today and calls me scummy for my case on Ray, a case he sheeped, and a case that convinced him Ray was scum and I was townish enough to sheep is now a case so bad I need to be lynched.
Somewhere in there as my wagon goes nowhere and CM's picks up he gets off me and votes CMPunk for reasons no one understands (hint: further sheeping of others).
As the CM wagon slows and Thor distrust picks up - suddenly he recalls I find CM scummy (something I said in my first post of the day) Unvotes based on that, and revotes me.
His extent of defense for this is that I am OMGUSing him (never mind I've been voting him all day, even after he got off me).
He's scum - lynch please.

Also - PoE on Ray wagon.

I've said this before, if you want to see where you can iso me as well as I can iso myself.

[Sky]

Both town and scum tunnel, which is why we cannot lynch Thor solely for this. I would also like to hear a summarized case from blindfaeth.

Hey CMPunk, do you think you could finally tell me what wagon you like more since that's what it has come down to, and you're sadly not the one being hanged?

[CMPunk]

There's no point in arguing, you'll just argue back with bad reasons, then I'll tell you your reasoning is bad, and you'll argue that with more bad reasoning. Arguing with you is pointless. I doubt I'll be voting you today anyways, the other canidates provide more info.

Bad reasons? Since when does the truth = bad reasons? you said I provide no reasons for votes, and I point by point proved you wrong showing my reasons on ALL my votes aside from my RVS.

[CMPunk]

Hey CMPunk, do you think you could finally tell me what wagon you like more since that's what it has come down to, and you're sadly not the one being hanged?

Neither, I think DK/BB are our best bet at hitting non town right now. Given I have already said I believe thor to be town, I won't be voting him until you can show me something concrete that he is scum

[Sky]

So you're content with a no lynch?

[TheFool]

One day until deadline; I foresee a likely no lynch.

BBmolla, further thoughts?

[Thor665]

So you're content with a no lynch?

Are you? You're as culpable as CM in that regard.

[DonJosh]

I'm back just before the deadline. Not sure if I should re-read now or wait until night?

[TheFool]

Eh, skim, check out the cases on blind/Thor/CM, see if you're happy with where your vote is.

Are you? You're as culpable as CM in that regard.

Do you think there's no chance of lynching CM?

[Thor665]

@The Fool - I think it's quite possible - but I'm already halfway to a lynch on blindfaeth and I consider him a superior lynch. If Sky sits on the smaller wagon and ignores the two bigger ones than he is just as much to blame for a no lynch as CM who is also voting a small wagon.

[blindfaeth]

I hate to say it but a no lynch might be just what we need, maybe the werewolves will get rid of a mafia for us. There would be a 3 in 7 chance after all, and if you're going to lynch me there's a 0 in 10 chance I'll come back scum -

As for the giant case, I simply don't have enough time to make one at this point sorry. You sure waited a long time to ask for it lol... I'll certainly attempt one if I'm still alive tomorrow. But this is probably the last time I'll be around before the deadline.

So if you lynch me, please lynch Thor tomorrow to avenge me once you know I'm innocent~
Otherwise hopefully I hope I'll see everyone in the morning on Day 3! xoxo

[Thor665]

How about a short case on me? I'd be fascinated to see it.
Or maybe a rebuttal of my case on you?
Or an admission to being scum. I'll take any of the three.