Micro 994 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

[Raya36]

Ok so let's way we do go along with your plan.

If MV is scum who is the partner? Because it's not me and that's who you're saying it is right now.

And if Brass is scum then who is his partner?

[T-Bone]

If I remove you, then if Brass is scum it's probably NM, and then MV+Saude if we're excluding you. They are probably both viable with either, but I think brass/saudade is less likely with how caviler saudade has been for this lim, while NM is suddenly considering not hammering brass.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

[Not_Mafia]

I don't like anyone who lollygagged on the brass E-1 yesterday

I mean, so did you. So...? If you had moved Brass to E-1 (before deadline), Flea would have hammered, and I would have. Truthfully I did not realize the deadline had passed because we went a few days without a vote count, and Brass wasn't my preferred Lim so I wasn't in a rush.

I was the disgnated hammer

[T-Bone]

Someone sanity check me on this, supersaint and bomb are both possible and not just automatically counterclaims right?

[Not_Mafia]

Yup you can have both

[Saudade]

what if we get together and lynch not mafia

[brassherald]

Someone sanity check me on this, supersaint and bomb are both possible and not just automatically counterclaims right?

We have a dead bomb and a dead supersaint

[brassherald]

We can have up to four bonbs and soup Saints in the game

[Not_Mafia]

Saudade you need to claim

[T-Bone]

Okay thanks. Was cycling through claims in my head while waiting for coffee at Dunkin this morning cause I had a bunch of errands to run.

[Raya36]

I'd like to look into the claims later but we still need Saudade before we can comment on it.

Flea - Dead SuperSaint
Kop - Dead Vigilante
nepenthe -> Dead Bomb
brassherald -> SuperSaint
MiniVirgo -> Bomb
Raya - Vigilante
Not_Mafia -> Vigilante
T-Bone -> Vigilante
DSausage -> Unclaimed

[MiniVirgo]

The fact that MiniVirgo is so confident that Brass is scum but is unwilling to risk a hammer says it all. Their plan hinges on a Brass scumflip. But they aren't willing to risk a hammer? The game is over if Brass is town....UNLESS MiniVirgo is scum. town!MiniVirgo who truly thinks Brass +Bone or NM is scum should be volunteering to hammer Brass and test his fakeclaim.

Complete misrep

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

If Brass is town the game is OVER unless the hammerer is scum. So this makes no sense. If Brass is town there is no solve in this game that doesn't include MiniVirgo. They cannot both be town.

I said assuming my poe was correct, I was even considering Raya if I was wrong on one of you, which you've solidified that it's probably not the case. You look like you're flailing to kill a bomb

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I know that you know 100% that I'm town.

bruh

[MiniVirgo]

So it does make sense. I TR MiniVirgo, so why would I want someone I TR to hammer. If I'm wrong about Brass and right about MiniVirgo then that's 2 town gone and the game ends.

Why am I thinking that you know Minivirgo and Brass are town. NM arguing could just be scum theatre.

I am fairly certain on scum!boner and scum!brass probably fits that a bit more, if they are both scum it explains why boner is pushing for my direct elimination as they lose otherwise.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

If Brass is town NM and T-Bone

If Brass is town there is no solve that doesn't include MiniVirgo. They were the counterwagon to Brass. This is ridiculous. I know that you know 100% that I'm town.

Why would I know you're town. I'm actually thinking you and NM now

What makes you think it's N_M as I believe it's Boner/Brass, the b team

[MiniVirgo]

I think I laid out a case why I think MiniVirgo is scum between Day 2 and 3, but I can repeat those points as needed.

Wasn't your case purely, I was utr and that's townie but that's a good scum play?

[MiniVirgo]

Now that I've read a bit further and see youre pushing for a brass elim, I am indifferent between N_M and Brass as a partner again.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Wait what are the exact probabilities of all vigilantes being blank for each setup. 3/4/5

[Raya36]

Let's discuss roles and claims after Saudade claims

[Raya36]

We have the exact same poe and based on NMs willingness to hammer the ss claim he is either town and really believes Brass is scum. Or Brass is his scum partner so he knows he won't die too and he'll get a lot of town cred. I think NM+Brass is very possible.

VOTE: Brass and NM hammers. Exactly what didn't go through last day

I've been town reading Saudade but can you very quickly run through why he's town by NKA?

This is on NM/Brass team

[MiniVirgo]

Oh I see, but I can't forgive Boner's blatant misrepresentation

- JV

[T-Bone]

I've represented you very accurately I feel.

[MiniVirgo]

The fact that MiniVirgo is so confident that Brass is scum but is unwilling to risk a hammer says it all. Their plan hinges on a Brass scumflip. But they aren't willing to risk a hammer? The game is over if Brass is town....UNLESS MiniVirgo is scum. town!MiniVirgo who truly thinks Brass +Bone or NM is scum should be volunteering to hammer Brass and test his fakeclaim.

Complete misrep

- JV

Let me start with this specific post, I've said many different scenarios including town!brass yet you choose to selectively drop every one of them except the single one that you are trying to make me look bad with. I specifically said yestergame that I could hammer them if push comes to shove but obviously I don't want that as eliminating and hammering within the PoE is the way we maximize benefit over risk yet you're specifically throwing out everything I am saying to make me look bad only to use my own logic for yourself, it's literally insane you're trying this and then have the balls to deny it without adding anything to defend yourself or progress this discussion with actual reason.

Another damning tell is that you were widening your scope going into today as seen in 637, which is a slight contradiction to EoD, yet as soon as I claimed bomb you decided to speed-push me as that's the only way scum can win if we ended up pushing to a scum elimination today in ANY form. Scums goal is simply to get me eliminated today or to no-elim, as any other outcome ends in a tied game or a lost game for them so that IS their primary goal which aligns with exactly what you are doing.

- JV