In post 666, GuiltyLion wrote:Why are you jumping so reactively on this? And what was the point of your post 658
I don't know how to answer this. You're saying I could be scum, I'm saying that doesn't make any sense.
The point of that post was that I don't understand how DarkLight could forget that ASP is claiming roleblocker when that is the central focus of the day. I actually almost unvoted because that really bothered me, but I think there's enough evidence for DLA's claim over ASP's that I'd still rather keep my vote where it is.
If it doesn't make sense then you should just ignore it. The more you're arguing this point the more it's only validating my suspicion.
I really didn't like your 658, at all. Reads like casting shade for no reason, jumping on an obvious misstep in phrasing that presumably has nothing to do with alignment. Especially since you don't apparently think it was a genuine slip, then there's no reason to make the post that you did.
In post 667, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not gonna redig through your ISO now because I'm on mobile on the way to work but I remember you pushing 0x40 wagon much harder than ASP wagon and I wanna doublecheck why we couldn't get ASP at deadline
I wanted to get ASP at deadline and voted him pretty close to deadline, but Darklight talked me out of it.
I just looked back at my ISO and I guess I did shift to scumreading Darklight harder than ASP based on 388. So
über alles
is a misstatement, I was happy to lynch him but he didn't go back to being my top choice until after Darklight claimed.
that said, this is a decent response, I went back and I'm not sure scum-Umlaut with scum-ASP would make this post:
In post 548, DarkLightA wrote:Also, we don't need people claiming townie at L-4, kthx?
(Pst, it's a reference to you umlaut!)
1. I didn't say vanilla townie, I said townie, meaning town-aligned player.
2. Even if I did say vanilla townie, I'm effectively claiming that by not counterclaiming you or DarkLight.
I don't like this post at all, it seems like just trying to Do Town Things without seriously thinking about whether what you're saying is helpful.
Pedit: Let's do it
VOTE: A Simple Plan
I would like DarkLight/eagerSnake/Aristophanes to weigh in on this.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 676, GuiltyLion wrote:I really didn't like your 658, at all. Reads like casting shade for no reason, jumping on an obvious misstep in phrasing that presumably has nothing to do with alignment. Especially since you don't apparently think it was a genuine slip, then there's no reason to make the post that you did.
Look, exactly one of DLA or ASP is scum. We need to correctly determine which it is. If there is something that should be weighed in those scales, I'm going to point it out even if by itself it's not enough to tip them. If all of us keep quiet about the things we've noticed because individually they're not conclusive, then we are more likely to make a mistake.
If I was 85% sure ASP was scum before that exchange, then afterward I'm more like 75% sure. (I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass but you get the idea.) For DLA not to understand the probabilities ASP gave is also weird because she should have done those same calculations herself at some point and recognized where the numbers were coming from.
“Of course it's my fault. There's no one else here who could be responsible for anything.”
In post 676, GuiltyLion wrote:I really didn't like your 658, at all. Reads like casting shade for no reason, jumping on an obvious misstep in phrasing that presumably has nothing to do with alignment. Especially since you don't apparently think it was a genuine slip, then there's no reason to make the post that you did.
Look, exactly one of DLA or ASP is scum. We need to correctly determine which it is. If there is something that should be weighed in those scales, I'm going to point it out even if by itself it's not enough to tip them. If all of us keep quiet about the things we've noticed because individually they're not conclusive, then we are more likely to make a mistake.
If I was 85% sure ASP was scum before that exchange, then afterward I'm more like 75% sure. (I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass but you get the idea.) For DLA not to understand the probabilities ASP gave is also weird because she should have done those same calculations herself at some point and recognized where the numbers were coming from.
In post 680, eagerSnake wrote:Would DLA!scum counterclaiming ASP!townPR forget that he is counterclaiming ASP!townPR? I don't think so
same, but tbh Umlaut defending himself over it, especially 677, feels pretty genuine
ASP/Aristophanes?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 123, Accountant wrote:Here's the thing: if ASP was my scumbuddy and he got placed under so much pressure so early, then I'm in a quandary. Do I bus and potentially lose a buddy early? Or do I defend them at the cost of looking bad if they flip?
And I can't help thinking that one way of getting people off ASP while dodging the quandary by avoiding taking a solid stance on them is to say "I'd vote ASP, but they'd then be L-1, plus the wagon feels way too easy".
That's why I'm so uneasy when two or three different people spit that answer out.
In post 124, Accountant wrote:To clarify: it leaves room for changing reads. If ASP flips scum later, you can say "well I did scumread him... only reason I didn't vote was the L-1 thing", but if it looks like the wagon is losing steam and it's "safe" to defend him then you can go "yeah, the wagon's too easy. I want everyone off and voting someone else asap."
Actually even if ASP is town it would make sense for scum to say that - they could subtly push a mislynch without actually being on it, plus with an escape route where they get towncred for trying to "defend" the mislynchee.
Like the more I think about it the more this whole thing stinks
I don't like this.
I think Aristophanes is scum. On the other hand GuiltyLion and Umlaut could both be scum too.
However, if ASP flips rolecop, I am willing to exonerate Aristophanes. It's not a guarantee, but it's worth assuming. If he's strongman there's also questions to be asked—but they'd realize I was a blocker and therefore not use Aristophanes for the kill. In fact, they might have used the one-shot strongman on BTD.
Summary:
ASP is rolecop, I block Guilty.
ASP is strongman or goon, I block Aristophanes.
