New York 180 (Endgame)

[Shinobi]

shinobi is scum because everyone else is town
there
problem solved
lynch
now

Rofl, you are literally useless.

Are you actually going to build a case and play the game or is this all I have to look forward to?

[Shinobi]

I'm still waiting, Marquis. I'm not going to wait forever.

[Shinobi]

Less than three days and Marquis still cba to make a case and do actual things.

Unreal.

[Marquis]

i'll be back later today
been pretty busy having a life and all

[Cheetory6]

Marquis.
Tell me about why Shinobi is scum.
Or why Kitz is town.
Or something.

Or people can start voting you.
Progress in one direction or another would be awesome.

[Marquis]

kitz town because genuine in a way that's hard AND not surface-beneficial to fake as scum
you're town bc this is your town game and genuine disinterest then interest in lynching me which prob wouldn't happen as scum
gc town because totally unnecessary ozgin shenanigans and neighbor spec
that leaves shinobi through PoE and i'm still seeing the same mad-at-lack-of-case-thing in him a tso

also, believe me, if i were scum, i'd still have a lasting enthusiasm for this shitfest-town of a game
i'm not scum but i won't cry if i get to leave early
i'd just rather let us all leave still in one whole rather than leave on my own and have to watch the explosion from behind the glass knowing i could have stopped it

so maybe i'll bring up scum interactions later
unlikely though
just kind of hoping you guys trust me and finally vote shin instead of letting us get caught between two town wagons by deadline again
and not too eager to make a "proper" case after what happened with fa_q2 either

[Marquis]

proper cases don't work for me they're like bombs in birdcages
this is both a cop out and a hard truth

[Cheetory6]

kitz town because genuine in a way that's hard AND not surface-beneficial to fake as scum

Can you pull specific quotes that you feel best exemplify this sort of thing?

that leaves shinobi through PoE and i'm still seeing the same mad-at-lack-of-case-thing in him a tso

Do you think this sort of thing is a universal scumtell? What do you think of when he was a counterwagon to Ozgin?

[Shinobi]

"Mad at lack of a case thing" is something that happens to players that play both alignments.

Would you accept the fact that someone was voting you and wouldn't explain why as either alignment? Like really.

[Shinobi]

Just because you mislynched once doesn't mean you shouldn't keep scumhunting and discussing things with people.

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my mind around you being scum but you're not leaving me a whole lot of recourse, and I'm reaching the end of my "care about alignments" mindset.

It's not even like this game is unwinnable: we probably only have one scum left and a mislynch to boot, so we can make this work. I'd be ecstatic to make this game work against all odds but you're not helping me.

[Shinobi]

kitz town because genuine in a way that's hard AND not surface-beneficial to fake as scum
you're town bc this is your town game and genuine disinterest then interest in lynching me which prob wouldn't happen as scum

Can you elaborate more on these two?

[Marquis]

"Mad at lack of a case thing" is something that happens to players that play both alignments.

Would you accept the fact that someone was voting you and wouldn't explain why as either alignment? Like really.

you were there and you know the full extent of what i mean by that when i held it against tso

granted your response is a bit better because when i attacked him with "your posts obviously show you don't even have a townread on yourself" his response was "no they don't"

but it's not just "mad at lack of a case", it's that and the same as tso in that for the past few game days i haven't gotten a single sense of you playing this game like you know you're town in spite of the suspicion or that you have a legitimate town mindset rather than just saying things that feel logical and don't raise too many eyebrows

[Marquis]

About the visit thingie that I asked a million times.

Spoiler:

Oh wait. I get it.
It's possible it's a role that kills all visitors. Provoke everyone.
... I don't even think it's that.

1. Three attacks.
2. Healed, two deaths.
3. Single attack two nights.
= Visited a visit-killer. That's possible, right?

I still have that theory about a visit killer... If that's possible.

I have one question : Is either of these roles possible in Normal? Kill visitors, Multi-Direction-Shot.

Am I really the only one who's able to think outside the box here?

Anyways, soon off to the doctor so I won't be around for a bit.

OH LOOK A SCUMCLAIM

How is that a scum claim? I think you're just tunneling me at this point.
If this was a scum claim, I'd be all like "Hey fucks, I'm the actual serial killer".

I don't disagree, but I think there's more evidence for Kitz.

Nobody's said anything about anyone's meta.

How about, shut up? Your tunneling is rather blatant and annoying now, with excuses and tunnel-slips everywhere.
If you want to get me, be more constructive and stop contradicting yourself. Here's the 2 most recent examples on meta on House.

I should probably see if House claimed Scum with anyone other than Kitz.

Meta 1. This is Your piece of the meta. Otherwise, you wouldn't see it as a meta thing, it's a House related thing.

house busses his scum buddies like crazy when he is scum. I can see his sarcastic comments being truthful

Meta 2.

"if you want to get me" = also probtown

Here's one piece of information I know about mass murderers.

The normal variation kills whoever rests at a location, so everyone who visits that target is at a location and if target has targeted another they have moved to a different location.
Killing more than one puts them to a cooldown unable to act for a while.

If that's the one, it leaves the question : Why did all these get attacked?
1. Boon visited Viking.
2. Piss roleblocked Viking.
3. Viking couldn't move due to roleblock.
= Boon, Viking and Piss got attacked, healing Viking.

That's 3 attacks with two kills, which should trigger the MM's cooldown.

I fucking solved N1.

more likely town gloating over this
scum kind of knew what happened

I fucking solved N1.

which increases your odds of being scum since they already knew the night actions.

Stop this antagonizing.

Viking claimed roleblocked and healed.
Piss died a roleblocker.
Boon died a doctor.

Anyone can see it.

Killed :
N1
- Pisskop - Maifa Non-consecutive Roleblocker killed night 1
- Boonskiies - Town Non-consecutive Doctor killed night 1
- Viking (attacked & healed)
= All by T S O. Where's the mafia kill? It went on T S O?
= All visited Viking and Viking couldn't move.

N2
-Ellie - Town deputy turned cop killed night 2
= Mafia. Can visit.

Mathblade - Town vengeful killed night 3
= Mafia? Or MM? Cannot visit.

Nobody Special town Non-consecutive Doctor killed night 4
= Mafia if heal N2 and N4 (Visit N4), or add in possible MM if N1, N3. (No visit N4)

T S O - Mass Murder Killed night 6
= Mafia.

Lynched :
- Klingoncelt town citizen lynched day 1
- vikingfan - Town Cop lynched day 2
- Albert B. Rampage - Town Tracker lynched Day 3.
- FA_Q2 - town citizen lynched day 4
- Aeronaut - Mafia Goon lynched day 5
- Ozgin - Mafia goon/Neighbor - lynched day 6

Honestly I'm probably going to vote Kitz. How long I take to vote is up to you guys.

Then why did I defend T S O so much if I'm mafia as opposed to getting him lynched? :roll:

bad town logic
much harder for scum to type out an obviously bad argument and let themselves post it
you can try to argue kitz is just bad at mafia but i'm not going to listen to that shit

If GM is a mafia neighbourizer, he could be the one to attack, meaning he visited.

Ozgin were a Neighbour to a town. What's the fucking point if two mafia were neighbours together? GC cleared.
GM as a Neighbourizer who hasn't done much afterwards... And coincidentally T S O died.

Neighbours are capable of manipulating and influencing the town.

I really believe T S O, because he did not have anything to loose in his statement about GM being attacked.
Scum would've been attacked if they attacked the same target as the MM. (post night 1).

VOTE: goodmorning

Yeah, I'm certain it's GM now because of that logic actually makes a lot of sense.
If one more scum flips and this game continues, I'm at a complete blank at who the next one could be.

So let me get this straight, everyone wants to lynch me and doesn't even understand or wish to even see the logic.
FUCKIT
If this is how it is going to be, then I cannot convince otherwise and scum has just won anyway. Logic is god damn banned.
Citizen/VT, non-neighbourized, no clues.

VOTE: Kitz

/lurk

town method of claim - "no clues" suggests she instinctively approached this game from however she knew it as a vt on other sites

You've not been using anything that remotely resembles logic lately. And that outburst we completely emotional, much lime ozgins before we lynched him

Nah, I just don't want to play if everyone refuses actual logic.
Everyone refuse to look into that I initiated the lynch towards Oz, and other things.

For example, you don't like the following logic.

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T S O is a Mass Murderer.
Mass Murderer kills those in a location.
Those who don't target, are in their own location.
T S O attacked GM, GM is alive.
Therefor, GM could be a scum who attacked someone.
It resulting in moving to a different location and avoid the attack.
GM claimed not targeting anyone either.

scum very likely wouldnt have bussed there especially not in her position
her risking bringing it up makes me think town too because it'd be all too easy to look at it in particular again to see if it looked like a bus - which in the urgency of that situation would have been obvious

[Shinobi]

"Mad at lack of a case thing" is something that happens to players that play both alignments.

Would you accept the fact that someone was voting you and wouldn't explain why as either alignment? Like really.

you were there and you know the full extent of what i mean by that when i held it against tso

granted your response is a bit better because when i attacked him with "your posts obviously show you don't even have a townread on yourself" his response was "no they don't"

but it's not just "mad at lack of a case", it's that and the same as tso in that for the past few game days

i haven't gotten a single sense of you playing this game like you know you're town in spite of the suspicion or that you have a legitimate town mindset rather than just saying things that feel logical and don't raise too many eyebrows

It's almost like making sense means that I'm probably town.


No but really, feels don't mean anything and I have no idea what I'm supposed to say to you in order to sate the bolded. What exactly would you be expecting from me in terms of "knowing that I'm town?"

[Marquis]

actual feels

[Marquis]

u heartless scumbag

cant u see that all ur LOGIC and RATIONAL COLD-BLOODED ANALYSIS is TEARING this game APART

[Shinobi]

D:

[Marquis]

if u want me to be rude we could go with "u wouldnt be this sensible as town"

or we could just all remember that i was your scumpartner for a significant amount of time and this strongly reminds me of your scumgame in suburbia anyway

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Marquis]

i probably unknowingly sugarcoat 90% of my reads on this site

maybe i should just stop that

[Shinobi]

if u want me to be rude we could go with "u wouldnt be this sensible as town"

or we could just all remember that i was your scumpartner for a significant amount of time and this strongly reminds me of your scumgame in suburbia anyway

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

As opposed to what, exactly? Like, what's the difference between my town game and my scum game to you?

I don't see what Suburban Warfare has to do with anything or how that's related to this game. Elaborate?

Pedit: Maybe, mayhaps. Feels like I'm making more progress when you cut to the heart of the matter.

[Shinobi]

Your logic for townreading Kitz doesn't seem particularly great either. Most of it is based on posturing and the rest of it is based on playing too badly to be scum.

[Marquis]

playing too badly to be scum

which is a great way to read players like kitz

[Shinobi]

The best I can give for Kitz being town is her martyring, and that's about it.

Pedit: lol that's mean, but I like it.

[Shinobi]

Okay. New plan:

I'm town. Who's next if/when I die?

[Marquis]

for last scum it's between her and you
and her posts are more driven and much more genuine than yours
yours are all focused on as i was actually kind of serious about, cold logic - what i know of your towngame from rick santorum mafia isn't as cold/emotionless as this has been either especially when faced with people scumreading you - when that happened there, you didn't exactly go ballistic, no, but you showed sides of amusement and "holy shit are u serious" and etc etc
your posts here could be made by any robot given the task of spewing out beeps and boops as mafia!code dictates

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go