Well, RC has confirmed that he gave that ability to Snarky. It sounds like Snarky is subject to the one node away limitation on its use. Snarky himself has pretty much narrowed down his choice of targets down to 2. If you don't think either of them is one of Snarky's scum buddies then Snarky would be limited to clearing a townie.In post 648, Paschendale wrote: I don't really like his claim, in that he can use it to get a fake town confirmation on a buddy.
This argument relies on Snarky being town. I thought you wanted to lynch Snarky because you believed he is scum?He also ignores the fact that he could be killed by scum to setup a framejob on whoever he hides behind.
Could you recap why you think Paschendale is better? I swear you've suspected him before, but I just woke up and I'm too lazy to go dig for it right now.In post 651, Snarky wrote:I don't know about Saki's claim... It fits well...
VOTE: Paschendale
Better chance of hitting scum here.
Where did this confirmation take place? I must have missed it.In post 654, The Rufflig wrote:Well, RC has confirmed that he gave that ability to Snarky. It sounds like Snarky is subject to the one node away limitation on its use. Snarky himself has pretty much narrowed down his choice of targets down to 2. If you don't think either of them is one of Snarky's scum buddies then Snarky would be limited to clearing a townie.In post 648, Paschendale wrote: I don't really like his claim, in that he can use it to get a fake town confirmation on a buddy.
Neglecting to mention that flaw demonstrates that he is not truly thinking from a town mindset. He's not accounting for ways that scum could throw a wrench into his plan, which is something that scum don't need to account for. It is not the role itself that is suspect, it is how he is talking about it. You know, his content. What he is choosing to say and not say is showing a scum mentality and not a town mentality.This argument relies on Snarky being town. I thought you wanted to lynch Snarky because you believed he is scum?He also ignores the fact that he could be killed by scum to setup a framejob on whoever he hides behind.
*sigh* First, Saki and now you. Here:In post 656, Paschendale wrote:Where did this confirmation take place? I must have missed it.
In post 577, RedCoyote wrote:If I may be blunt, I don't particularly appreciate you calling me out as the person who gave you the power, but alas, the cat has once again strayed from his bag. To anyone else that may or may not have received powers from me: please use it at your discretion. I gave them to you because I think you are town and I think you'll help the town with them.Snarky 569 wrote:He gave me a one-shot hider role. I die if I hide behind scum, so I thought I could use it as an investigation tool. At the same time, if I claim who I'm hiding behind, and that person is town, scum can kill that person, and him and I die, thus -2 townies..
I would have thought the cause of death would be a dead giveaway as to how Snarky died. I wouldn't expect a frame job to be possible.In post 656, Paschendale wrote:Neglecting to mention that flaw
Some of that post was centered on me (or rather cxinlee's interaction with my slot), but it also looked like you had some strong suspicions of Snarky and an FOS on Pasch based on their interactions with cxinlee; (I don't get what you are trying to show with the SC quote). Why Saki, then?In post 649, Aegor wrote:I want a Saki or The Rufflig lynch today. Interesting posts below.
"Conscripted Inventor"In post 661, RedCoyote wrote:What's your role name specifically, Saki?Saki 629 wrote:I'm an inventor that had stuff to give out D1.
I gave idk the Range Extender.
Explain plz.
^ this plus the fact that you didn't fly into a rage about why I gave Jailkeeper to the person that was obviously the d1 lynch in a nightless setup instead of youIn post 640, Saki wrote:But he died before the next day so my giving him the Jailkeeper action wasn't successful.
So, I'm connected to Aegor, NS, and idk. I could give Jailkeeper and Range Extender to different targets.
I gave idk the Range Extender and NS the JK.
My thought process behind giving Nobody Special the JK instead of Aegor was because Aegor looked the least town to me during D1.
I'd rather waste the JK than give it to likely scum.
And on hindsight, I was probably right. There's probably a catch, along the lines of "oh, you're an inventor that might distribute PRs to scum."
So out of three of my targets, one is probably scum and the other two are probably town.
Two flipped town. Who's scum? Aegor.
Indeed. That's why I added that I didn't have much experience with inventors. I wanted the input of other players, to tell me if, with inventors, the person granted a power role would flip with this power role, or as vanilla town (or whatever he was at the beginning of the game).In post 648, Paschendale wrote:I don't know how he justifies his notion about flips in 636. There's literally no evidence to back that up.
Why? I said it was because maybe it was Lylo.In post 648, Paschendale wrote:I don't like his "willing to vote however"
I didn't use it to inform lynches. I even said it was nothing conclusive. I thought it was information so I wrote it down for people to see.In post 648, Paschendale wrote:The setup is what it is. Without more information, trying to outguess the setup to inform our lynches is no better than choosing at random.
I admit I had problems with my reads when cxinlee flipped scum, and I still have. The "walls are scummy" thing was more of a meta argument. In his games where we know idk was town, he walled less and posted shorter posts between his walls. The fact that he posted not often here and with big walls felt like he wanted every of his posts to be perfect.=scum.In post 648, Paschendale wrote:I don't like his "shameless wagoning", nor the completely nonsensical notion that walls are scummy
As The Rufflig said, this doesn't make sense. It would mean you think SC is scum, yet you never expressed any suspicion whatsoever on SC.In post 648, Paschendale wrote:I don't really like his claim, in that he can use it to get a fake town confirmation on a buddy
I have not ignored it, I just have not stated it out loud to give hints to scum. And even if I ignored it, I could just have forgotten something. How does it make me scum?In post 648, Paschendale wrote:He also ignores the fact that he could be killed by scum to setup a framejob on whoever he hides behind.
It took me awhile to realize just what Saki was saying. IMO, Saki believes townies (not just Aegor) should be upset with her forIn post 669, StrangerCoug wrote:I don't get why Aegor not fussing over not getting the jailkeeper ability is indicative of any alignment at all.