Mini 1494 - A Murder in Murderville! (Game Over)

[notscience]

I ran the above post through google translate and out popped-

I'm scum with Mhork and we intend to push the easy ML

[killerjester]

Just kidding, I'm a VT. But E Roll invited me to the neighborhood N1 so that was pretty cool. We had daytalk but mostly talked about scumreads and stuff. We collectively agreed to invite Porkens N2 because he looked most townish especially with the Shadi flip. The invite went through but that was also the night E Roll died so it was just me and Porkens from there on out. Porkens had the idea to create a strong town voting bloc consisting of himself, elle, mhork, and yours truly. I agreed on the Mhork-read but I was a little distrustful of elle at first. However, Porkens was able to show me why she was town. That's about the neighborhood in a nutshell.

[killerjester]

But seriously, I am pretty fucking good at LyLo. Here's my entire track record.

LYLO http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=18135 Town Win (was VT)
LYLO http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=18910 Town Win (was VT)
LYLO http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=18469 Happily Ever After (was VT)
LYLO http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=24199 Town Win (was VT)
MYLO http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=29995 Town Win (was JOAT)

Lynch NS with me please?

[Lord Mhork]

Why is Elle town?

Can we punch Toomai in the throat first? I'd feel more confident about scum there.

[Lord Mhork]

Is NS, like, historically bad at being scum? Because this random jumping on me just feels totally not like what scum would do in this situation. It feels awkward and like he's trying way to hard to be sure of his read on me.

[killerjester]

It took me awhile to see that while elle didn't have opinions I necessarily agreed with, they still felt like genuine opinions that a townplayer would naturally have. #495 and #529 in particular show that. Yes, I had a fairly strong townread on both Mhork and Porkens at the time, but if I wasn't "in the know" then I felt like Mhork's scumread on Ztife but not voting until he was sheeping Porkens IS something that would bother me. Simply put, I felt that while elle was scumhunting poorly she was still scumhunting.

[killerjester]

Yea I'm cool with lynching either of NS or Toomai. Albeit Toomai hasn't done as hard of a job to wrap a noose around his neck as NS or fuzzy, his predecessor, have. Especially the hard sheeping, that really rubbed me the wrong way. At the time I considered the possibility of Masons or perhaps NS had an inno investigation on fuzzy, but my feelings have since dissipated (even moreso after the massclaim) and now it just looks like some obnoxious scumplay that I still don't fully understand. And I'm confident enough in my Mhork and elle townreads to label Toomai as scum through PoE as well.

[notscience]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

LOOK AT KJ'S SHIT RIGHT NOW

LIKE REALLY

Okay

1) Oh yeah look at me as town in lylo I so gud sheep me (without referencing any scumgames whatsoever!)

2) He was in the neighborhood with 2 conftown. Who, both conveniently died. Now, doesn't that seem strange?

3) E Roll NEVER ONCE makes any reference to KJ in thread. Never. doesn't try to align reads, nothing. Why would he choose KJ of all people?

Like, really.

He's asking to lynch people that he's "oh so sure" to be scum without placing a vote on them, while trying to NEGOTIATE with the town on who to lynch. That's weird- If we lynch wrong today we lose, yet his STRONG scumread he's not voting, he's fucking ASKING if we can lynch me. It's like when people ask for PLs D1.. Why? So he+mhork can quickhammer if someone drinks enough of his koolaid.

[killerjester]

1. I don't have any scum LyLo games

2. Considering that 5 out of (presumably) 8 towns are dead, no not really. Why should it be strange that I was in the neighborhood with the actual neighborizer and one additional townie? Do you really think that scum would risk fakeclaiming something so trivial as being a neighbor? It's all risk and little-to-no reward.

3. I asked him the same thing. He told me that (paraphrased) he recruited me N1 because he liked my overall play, but particularly how I reacted to his Shadi accusation. It seemed like I was weighing the merits of the argument without leaping to conclusions. I understood what he was saying and then even continued to question Shadi more effectively than E Roll did about it.

4. Because I don't care which scum we lynch today. If you had read my LyLo games you'd know this is the stance I hold in 3:2 LyLos

@KJ - I've been watching this for a while, and I'm curious about something.

You know that neither Jake nor I can be scum.
Yet you aren't voting either confirmed scum.

Why is this?

PEDIT: Let me make myself clear. I quite literally do not care which one of Cyber/Kthx you guys choose to lynch. I do not care for the reasons why you lynch Cyber/Kthx. Hell, you could even be half-wrong. If you thought the scumteam was Cyber/Dunhamganger I would not lose a wink of sleep as long as you lynch either Cyber or Kthx today.

To illustrate my indifference, I have not voted. If you or Jake find a definitive preference between the two, I'll gladly line up behind either lynch. I'm serious. If you ask me to put my vote down right now it's as good as flipping a coin that always lands on scum. In fact, if you asked me to put my vote down I would flip a coin, just to humor you.

But okay. Evens NS, Odds Toomai.

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[killerjester]

VOTE: notscience

[notscience]

VOTE: KJ

Let's go, scumfuck.

[killerjester]

I am literally trembling in my custom baby seal leather boots

[killerjester]

Actually terrified

[elleheathen]

Alright. One question then.

If you were in the neighborhood, with daytalk after discussing scumreads with E-Roll who you knew to be town...
Why is your vote not on the Shadi lynch?

[killerjester]

Well E-Roll was not conftown. I've seen scum neighborizers before. I wasn't on the Shadi wagon because I was still trying to get reads out of him. "I'm down with lynching Dann/Mhork/fuzzy" isn't much to analyze. Do you realize D2 lasted 32 hours flat. I literally got home from work Thursday night and checked to see if Shadi answered my question, only to find his lifeless body hanging from the rafters.

[Lord Mhork]

KJ, can we please kill Toomai first? I'd be infinitely more comfortable there

[elleheathen]

VOTE: notscience

[killerjester]

KJ, can we please kill Toomai first? I'd be infinitely more comfortable there

Who do you think the scum are? Toomai and...?

[Toomai]

Intent to hammer

I'm gonna lay this out and let people respond before I vote.

• Yeah this could be LyLo, but I have this feeling it isn't. If all we have is a daytalk neighbourizer that's guaranteed to get at least one shot off, I feel that two goons with daytalk would balance it better than three. If so, it's currently 4:1, not LyLo.
  
• I think notscience is scum, with reasons summed up for me in 626. If he is actually not scum, Lord Mhork has to be - could be confirmation bias but I cannot see their interactions as town-on-town.
  
• If somehow neither of the two above are scum, I would have to reread given that to figure out which one of killerjester or elleheathen is. Currently I feel killerjester is slightly more town.
  
• elleheathen and killerjester are not scum together. This is just a gut feeling of mine.

[killerjester]

If there were only two scum why would Sal give them encryptor + goon instead of 2 goons that just have daytalk outright? Even if the encryptor dies first to remove scum daytalk, the lone goon doesn't have a scumteam left to daytalk with. Encryptor is usually indicative of 3 scum for this reason.

Toomai is cleared from all scum partnerships except Toomai/NS because he hasn't quickhammered. Sorry Mhork that you didn't get to answer my question but at this point it makes almost 0 sense to lynch Toomai. We'll get him tomorrow I promise.

[notscience]

All this wool

I could start a clothesshop with all the wool in front of your eyes.

[SalmonellaDreams]

VOTECOUNT 5.3

notscience (L-1) - killerjester, elleheathen

killerjester (L-2) - notscience

Not Voting - Lord Mhork,Toomai

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-11 23:00:00)

[Lord Mhork]

VOTE: Toomai

This is better

[Toomai]

VOTE: Toomai

This is better

Out of curiosity, is this a vote for Toomai, or a vote for fuzzybutternut?

[Lord Mhork]

It's a vote for not Elle or KJ