Mini 702--Serum & Steel(The rust has settled/Game Over)

[CF Riot]

Great. This rules. I was about to vote, but that'd only be L-1 so it wouldn't have mattered. See you all in the morning.

[Nicol Bolas]

Vote Count
Illumina(1): ortolan
Porkens(1): Seraphim
SpyreX(3): Timeater, TonyMontana, SpyreX
ortolan(3): Porkens, CF Riot, Gremwell
Not Voting: MafiaSSK, geraintm, Porkens, Wall-E

Serum Count
MafiaSSK(9): Timeater, ortolan, TonyMontana, geraintm, Wall-E, Seraphim, Illumina, SpyreX, Gremwell
Not Seruming: CF Riot, MafiaSSK, Porkens
MafiaSSK has reached majority of Serum votes.

Mycosynth Count
Wall-E(4): Seraphim, Illumina, Gremwell, timeater
CF Riot(1): timeater
Timeater(4): SpyreX, Porkens, CF Riot, Wall-E
SpyreX(1): geraintm
Not Mycosynthing: MafiaSSK


To lynch/mycosynth/serum: Seven
Deadline: 11/14

[Nicol Bolas]

Due to my rules, and there being a tie, you guys gets one more day(ish. It may just be 12 hours). All votes for players not in a tie are unvoted, and you may only vote for the tied characters. Also, the Serum is locked in.

Vote Count
SpyreX(3): Timeater, TonyMontana, SpyreX
ortolan(3): Porkens, CF Riot, Gremwell
Not Voting: MafiaSSK, geraintm, Porkens, Wall-E, Seraphim, ortolan

Serum Count
MafiaSSK(9): Timeater, ortolan, TonyMontana, geraintm, Wall-E, Seraphim, Illumina, SpyreX, Gremwell
Not Seruming: CF Riot, MafiaSSK, Porkens
MafiaSSK has reached majority of Serum votes.

Mycosynth Count
Wall-E(4): Seraphim, Illumina, Gremwell, timeater
Timeater(4): SpyreX, Porkens, CF Riot, Wall-E
Not Mycosynthing: MafiaSSK, timeater, geraintm.


To lynch/mycosynth/serum: Seven
Deadline: 11/14

[CF Riot]

Unvote, Unsynth
Vote: SpyreX
Synth: Wall-E

Everyone should vote Ort. Everyone should myco TE. If anyone actually tries to be helpful I'll be checking often to switch back.

[Wall-E]

You're going to synth me over claimed metal? Yeesh.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, if you are town, you will want town to win even after you are dead. Why the antagonism towards Timeater? So please have a read of the following. Why are you willing to sacrifice your own life to get rid of him? I personally don't think your argument in post 549 is particularly strong, long, certainly, but it doesn't seem to prove much beyond treading the same points you already have.

Why the antagonism? Well, most of that is in response to his antagonism.

Why do I want him synthed and then lynched? Well, because he's scum. I think I've been pretty clear on that.

Furthermore, seeing as you support lynching yourself, when you flip town, seeing as you've carried on all game as though you support CF Riot and Porkens, why are you so happy to have them vindicated by your lynch? And if you're town and CF Riot is scum, why would he possibly argue to give you the serum? And why were all three of you trying so hard to convince town that you flipping innocent would say nothing about them? My above argument clearly shows your alignment will give us a read on CF Riot.

Does it say -something- about their alignment(s)? Of course. Does it say enough that anyone should just accept them as town based on how this day went? Not in the slightest.

And if you're town and intend to be lynched today you have absolutely, absolutely no reason not to quote your role pm in the thread immediately

I'm proving a point. An issue I brought up far earlier about this. If you honestly think we can quote our PM's exactly and scum are not going to have safeclaim PM's in some fashion I can't help you.

You know I am vanilla.

I have claimed flesh. If I am lying about that I am dead tomorrow.

My role PM will do absolutely nothing to say anything about me one way or another.

His refusal to post his role pm pushes me towards the idea that he's trying to kamikaze himself to killing the only known metal townie.

If you get synthed AND I am scum, do you really think you're going to die any time soon? You're not getting the serum, you're going to be a lynch candidate for every day of this game you are alive.

I have been very clear that metals should be synthed. The scum-upside outweighs the town-upside every time barring an investigation on one BEFORE they claimed.

@CFR:

What is that last synth?

[SpyreX]

So, the players in a nutshell:

CFR: <3. From the initial real post on I have had solid warm feelings about him. His play has been consistent and, lo and behold, pro-town.

Town

Active

Geraintm: </3. He has been scattered. Honestly, he hasn't contributed much. I find the worry on the one vote he got a mild scum-tell.

Neutral-Scum. Lurker.

Gremwell: Solid. Way, way too lurky for a true read. From what he's said, I get a mild pro-town vibe.

Neutral-Town. Lurker.

Illumina: Despite not really explaining

what

makes me scum after 518, I still do get a very mild town vibe. However, the lurking really hurts that.

Neutral. Lurker.

MafiaSSK / Tuber: Between the two of them they have three posts and have said nothing. This is ridiculous.

Lurker

.

Ort: If you take away the fact he was the one that went "Hay metal peeps claim" and has firmly wedged himself with TE... he'd still give an independently scummy vibe.

Very Scummy. Active.

Porkens: I still find his play to be consistent. And consistently pro-town at that. He's starting to post more which is good.

Town. Active.

Sera: Even after being called out for lurking, he's still lurking. His statments about Wall-E really confuse me as well.

Scummy. Lurker.

SpyreX: Awesome.

Most Town Ever. Active.

Timeeater: A scum that came out with a very good scum gambit that backfired. Consistently inconsistent. Committed most of the classic scum "appeals". Despite all the words, no real scumhunting.

Scum. Active.

TonyMontana: Even though not the biggest lurker the fact that he's constantly up to date makes me think he is the most active lurker. That aside, in general I get a very mild town-vibe.

Neutral-Town. Lurker.

Wall-E: Ohh, Wall-E. You're the one that I dont have a solid read on. My mental checklist has flipped back and forth from you being scummy or really freaking town a lot. If I was a cop you'd be the one I'd check. Overall, however, I would say I get a town feel.

Mostly-Town. Active.

So, lets break this down a bit.

Active Players:

CFR
Ort
Porkens
SpyreX
TimeEater
Wall-E

Lurkers:

Geraintm
Gremwell
Illumina
MafiaSSk
Seraphim
TonyMontana

Town Vibes:

CFR
Gremwell
Porkens
SpyreX
TonyMontana
Wall-E

Scum Vibes:

Geraintm
Ort
Sera
TE

Neutral:

Illumina
SSK

Why all the hullaballo?

I think we've got one active scum and one lurking scum for sure. The third is variable. Active = TE. Lurking I really lean towards Sera currently. The third I still think has definite possibility of being Ort.

The only reason I get concerned is that I still have a hard time stomaching two scum (much less THREE HURF) connecting themselves so obviously day 1. However, independently, I still find both TE and Ort's play to be scummy in nature.

I really do not like the fact we're rolling with 50% of the town lurking.

In general, the more I think about it, I would advise against the random serum for a multitude of reasons. Yes, the scum can't actively manipulate it - but they can passively manipulate it by it ending up in the hands of scum without tying themselves to it OR by it ending up in the hands of someone with ohhh... three posts for example.

I think thats about all I've got. Synth TE and kill me then pay attention to this.

[Wall-E]

Doing weird things is a scumtell.

First, you offered to trade yourself for TE's synthing. Weird. Now you're pushing to get the random serum reassigned. Weird X2. Making a fully detailed scum/town list is scummy X3.

[SpyreX]

For tomorrow, yes? I was pretty clear about that all along. Giving my input before I DIE is weird? Doing a 1-1 is weird?

[Wall-E]

That's just the thing, you aren't giving a 1-1. I don't know how to define what you're doing. If you're town, you are REALLY sure TE is scum, and that's stupid!

[Porkens]

Unvote, Unsynth
Vote: SpyreX
Synth: Wall-E

Everyone should vote Ort. Everyone should myco TE. If anyone actually tries to be helpful I'll be checking often to switch back.

I don't think this counts, CF. As I read the rules, only those who arean't voting may cast a vote at this point.

Therefor, I think we are boned.

[SpyreX]

Yes, I am -really- sure that he is scum. Nothing today has persuaded me otherwise in the slightest.

[Porkens]

Lord, this town fails.

[SpyreX]

Pretty much

[Wall-E]

I don't think this counts, CF. As I read the rules, only those who arean't voting may cast a vote at this point.

I see zero indication of this. All the mod said is that we can't vote outside the tied players pool. That means we have to synth me or TE and vote ort or SpyreX, no option.

[Porkens]

Hey, I hope I'm wrong, but;

In the case of a tie: I will extend the deadline 24 hours and all player not voting for the two players in the tie will be unvoted and may only vote for the tied players. If at that time there is a tie, then the day will be a no lynch.

and

All votes for players not in a tie are unvoted, and you may only vote for the tied characters.

That's just how I read it. I hope I'm wrog, like I said.

Unvote
Vote: SpyreX

Unsynth
Synth: Wall-E

[SpyreX]

I am so glad we're not synthing TE. Seriously

[Porkens]

It's awesome how that's worked out. I'm pretty sure I told you so.

[Porkens]

But just think; If you switch your synth vote to Wall-E, we'll atually USE it

[Wall-E]

Synth: Timeater

to ensure the synth gets used.

I will Vote: SpyreX when we have a synth majority.

[CF Riot]

I'm not sure if it will count or not. I'm hoping it does. The _only_ reason I'm synthing Wall again is because I'd rather synth someone than no one. I'd much rather it be TE. I would really REALLY rather lynch Ort than Spyre, but if for some reason Spyre dying means people will listen to the townies instead of the scum then it's still better than no-lynch today and going through the whole thing again tomorrow minus one lurker.

TE, I hope you know that your whole, "It's okay, I'm offering to be synthed D3" thing is bogus, and I (and I hope the town) see through it. In a 12 player game with 3 scum, assuming no blocks/protects/whatev we only get 3 mislynches. Synthing you D3 means we can't lynch you till D4, which is too late assuming worst case scenario.

[Seraphim]

I feel like actually doing something. I certainly hope I'm making the right decision.

Unvote, Unsynth
Vote: SpyreX
Mycosnyth: Timeater

If you're calling for your own lynch...well, alright then.

[Porkens]

Actually, CF, I don't think it matters at all in this case because Wall-E was already voting to synth TE.

[CF Riot]

Also, I just noticed if only the people not in the tie can change their vote, we need all 3 non-myco voters to vote the same person, and one of them is TE, so it can only be Wall-E.

Wall-E(4): Seraphim, Illumina, Gremwell, timeater
Timeater(4): SpyreX, Porkens, CF Riot, Wall-E
Not Mycosynthing: MafiaSSK, timeater, geraintm.

To lynch Ort, we need Wall-E, Pork(who would obviously), Seraphim, and MafiaSSK to all vote Ort, because Ort probably won't vote himself and Geraintm has said he doesn't post on weekends.

[Wall-E]

The _only_ reason I'm synthing Wall again is because I'd rather synth someone than no one. I'd much rather it be TE.

Then why aren't you even bothering to TRY to synth TE? You're walking willingly toward something and loudly shouting about how you're being forced.

I would really REALLY rather lynch Ort than Spyre, but if for some reason Spyre dying means people will listen to the townies instead of the scum then it's still better than no-lynch today and going through the whole thing again tomorrow minus one lurker.

What? How do you know who the scum are? Isn't it a bit odd to you that a supposed townie had to resort to self-sacrifice to push his agenda?

TE, I hope you know that your whole, "It's okay, I'm offering to be synthed D3" thing is bogus, and I (and I hope the town) see through it. In a 12 player game with 3 scum, assuming no blocks/protects/whatev we only get 3 mislynches. Synthing you D3 means we can't lynch you till D4, which is too late assuming worst case scenario.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm willing to bet TE hadn't thought it possible we'd mislynch thrice, but it's a good point.