Right, I've finally finished my re-read.
Firstly, I really do not suspect death_omen, since I believe his claim completely. If he wasn't the real cop, by now the real cop would have either claimed or expressed real suspicion against DO for his claim. Since this hasn't happened, I really don't see any major doubts on his claim at this point, and he certainly shouldn't be lynched.
Nelly has been the centre of many debates over recent pages, but I really feel the frustrated townie outlook from him. I can tell he was angry and annoyed at the way things had happened, and whilst I don't agree with his points (concerning the hammer), I really feel that his behaviour in recent pages shows he was a frustrated and annoyed townie.
If people want more information about these two, then feel free to ask questions, but I don't see the need to rehash what others have discussed for over 10 pages here. Under a deadline, we need new leads, since at the moment, we're going no-where.
I think SM is really pro-town. Although I got a negative start from Hyphen-ated (who had a non-committal attitude towards Omen), she has a strong opening suspicion list, focusing on Muerrto, Omen, Khel and Vampaneze. Some other players were notably ignored – I’d actually like her opinion on some of the quieter players, since I don’t think she has fully explored that avenue. I really agree with lots of her points about VH, Omen and Nelly, which gives me more relief that she is pro-town since she is thinking the same way as me. Overall, I would say that along with Plessiez, she is the most pro-town person in the game.
I really feel Plessiez is pro-town. He asked very pro-town questions as early as Page 3, and although he jumped on the early DO wagon, he had reason to. I love his Posts 107 and 173, which are really clear, thorough and filled with analysis, explanation and scumhunting. He is rightly against VampanezeHunter on Day 1 due to his various story changing antics, but seemed to lurk during Day 2, suggesting only that Nelly and Malconn are suspicious because of their role in Khel’s lynch. I don’t really see any of his behaviour as overtly scummy at this stage, but I would be interested to see what a replacement has to say, since I often worry that Plessiez’s wordy and slightly offensive style can mask his alignment and leave few clues towards his role. However, I feel hugely that he is pro-town.
SomeStrangeFlea started well, rightly not liking DO’s offensive post 42. However, he blatantly bandwagons death_omen on Post 106, which definitely sets my scumdar off. I’m curious about post 125 as well. He had earlier said that Omen was the play of the day, but when asked to explain this merely asked Omen why he thought he was the play of the day. Evasive behaviour like this is a scumtell, in my opinion. I also don’t like his post 243, where he seems to FOS Nelly and agree with Khelvaster, yet doesn’t really give much of an opinion. It seems like he is trying to act like a sheep here. And I’m not sure what to make of his posts 269/270, since at the time I didn’t find Muerrto inherently suspicious, and he seems suspicious of Nelly for his loaded questions, and not the content that was flawed (concerning random voting) in the main body of Nelly’s post. Similarly, I find it odd that in Post 323 he votes for Khel, saying he didn’t like his exchange with Muerrto. Since he had previously been suspicious of Muerrto, why vote for Khelvaster?
His Day 2 behaviour has been very quiet, and I’m worried that some subtle attempts at bandwagoning have been so far unnoticed, for example, his bandwagoning of Nelly on page 21. I am neutral with him right now - overall, I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum, but I feel there are more notable targets at this stage.
For me, Muerrto’s style is puzzling. I’m not always 100% about where I stand with him, sometimes suspicious, yet other times whole-heartedly agree with him. I don’t like his post 62 – he doesn’t seem to understand that Khelvaster had seemingly started with a random vote, and then moved onto genuine suspicion of Muerrto, which he says is a rapid change, but I think is quite convenient. Early on takes the pro-town “slow down” approach, wanting a long day etc, but I have seen this from scum before, so this could easily be an act on his part. Don’t really like the way he jumped defensively in post 95 against DeathSauce, and takes the vote way too seriously. I don’t like his suspicion list in 117 – DeathSauce is high up for what seem to be quite little reasons.
That said, I actually agree with his offensive in 177 – seems really thought-out and I like his reasons and explanations against death_omen. However, I feel that sometimes he can get turned away to more irrelevant issues, for example the WIFOM debate. Of all players, Muerrto’s slightly over-bearing style has without a doubt got him into the most feuds in this game, leading to, amongst other things, the breakdown of Nelly. I’m not sure whether these feuds are beneficial – if they were at scum, then it could out them, but at the same time I’m sensing they could be doing more harm than good.
I don’t like the fact he calls Omen’s post 266 scummy, but doesn’t explain why. Agree with Plessiez – in post 281, he votes for Khel even though he finds Omen more suspicious. This is blatant bandwagoning. He later seems to admit he is voting for those he doesn’t find suspicious. On Day 1 with no deadline, this is scummy. I actually really like his argument against Nelly, it seems really thought out and he has lots of reasons and analysis. (Post 364)
I’m also nervous about several possible scum partnerships for Muerrto. Once, he answered Vampyrusddg’s question for him, and he has rather consistently defended VampanezeHunter. Any information about these things can only be gleamed from the lynching, killing, or investigation result, but after that, I believe a more thorough and clear representation of Muerrto’s alignment can be drawn. Overall, I think he could go either way at this point, but his alignment will be more easy to determine later in the game.
I really feel VH could be scum at this stage. Early on, he faded into the background, and seems bizarrely against lurkers, as his early suspicion against WLC demonstrates. Throughout the early stages of Day 1, he was against Khelvaster, but blatantly defended DO, and his stories regarding several people seemed to change a lot during Day 1, as Plessiez previously showed. I don’t like his bandwagon hop on post 199, but later seems to think both Omen and Khelvaster are townies. His scum listing in 244 is odd - Nelly is quite clearly not throwing suspicion around like he claims, and whilst I agree Vampy is sitting back and watching, I don’t really like the SM gut feeling. It seems like he is picking neutral candidates to avoid scrutiny. He later took the safe option of attacking Nelly in 405, though I agree with him that DO’s suspicion on Malconn wasn’t justified. He is later inconsistent again, saying in 405 that DO isn’t scummy, but in 428 does find him scummy. Finally, hehas gone against SM in what seems to be nothing more than an OMGUS, and finally shifted back to Nelly on 507.
Overall, I don’t think VampanezeHunter has had nearly as much pressure so far as he has deserved, and definitely should be looked at in the very near future.
Surprisingly, I am very suspicious of Vampyrusddg. In the beginning, he was very vocal in the random stage, but quietened down dramatically when the game actually started. He clearly throughout the game has not been scumhunting to his capacity – this is inherently scummy.
I don’t like post 105 – he jumps on the wagon against death_omen, but just rehashes old arguments and doesn’t add anything of his own onto that. Hate post 188 emphasises his greying attitude and strategy – “I’m here just watching”, he says, without actually doing any scum-hunting. Post 245 – he votes for Khelvaster while saying Nelly is suspicious. Seems like blatant bandwagon hopping to me, since it would make most sense to vote for Nelly. In that post he had made no reference to Khelvaster, so the vote on him is bizarre. Post 332 – he suggests that he would be happy with Khel, Sauce and Vampaneze. Fairly safe picks, and as I said before, I don’t see any scum-hunting going on. Although I like his post 358 against Nelly, I find it interesting that in 374 he has the time to explain WIFOM, but not scum-hunt at all, especially concerning the Muerrto/Nelly feud of the time. Similarly, whilst I really agree with his 402 post about roleblockers, the problem is, he isn’t actually scum hunting. It’s all the well telling people to find the mafia roleblocker, but it’s quite hypocritical when you yourself have done nothing to suggest this. And I absolutely hate his post 406. Basically, he says he has no read on anyone except Vampaneze and Nelly who he finds suspicious. This is a typical scum strategy, and incredibly non-committal. I also find him non committal when he gives his scum picks of 466 as Nelly, SM and VH/SSF, although admits everything else is just gut with the exception of Nelly.
Overall, I really think more attention needs to be paid to vampyrusddg, who has so far managed to slide through without doing much of anything in terms of scumhunting. I think he could easily be scum at this stage.
Hjallti has bizarrely been very quiet this game. In a previous game I was in with him, he was doing far more scum-hunting, and he was town. Here, I see a more relaxed approach without scum-hunting. Not scum-hunting is scummy. I don’t like his summary in post 210, since it is literally a summary – he doesn’t analyse anything, and therefore barely gives any opinion. I also wrote that he was hiding behind the discussions and feuds, like Vampy, and I see this as a very viable scum strategy. Hide behind others, and keep in the background. I don’t like his analysis in post 326 either – he doesn’t seem to be doing any scum hunting there either.
His Day 2 behaviour is puzzling. He just jumps on the Nelly wagon WITH NO REASON on post 365. Blatant bandwagoning, and scummy. He is interestingly is very defensive about the above vote, even though he gave no reasoning. And his post 427 is awful. He says he finds Muerrto, Ples, SM and SSF town (giving no reasons), says Omen is shaky after recent posts, says Malc is a newb, and that Vampaneze and vampy need to get into the game. Er, you haven’t been scum hunting the entire time. Sorry, that’s really hypocritical. I’m confused about his view on Nelly here too.
So overall, there is no scum-hunting, nothing. Hjallti has been hiding, and nothing has been done about it. The time has come for Hjallti to start looking for scum.
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Hjallti, Vampy, VampanezeHunter. All of them need far more pressure than they currently have been receiving. And all need to scum-hunt far more than they have been. I feel that vampy and Hjallti especially have been incredibly over-looked this game.
FOS: vampyrusddg, Hjallti
Vote: VampanezeHunter
Although I would be willing to vote for vampy or Hjallti, I feel Vampaneze has been the most scummy so far.
