Mini 1503: Game of Things

[Mr_Ree]

Interesting that Mr.ree got serra's word correctly.

Why is that interesting? Nobody else knows how to make a list? It was down to Serra or IC. I knew Serra would guess someone else said his phrase to obscure the fact it was his phrase. The quick switch gave it away. Critical thinking. Try it.

[innocentvillager]

I know I haven't posted any content yet so I'll try to give some quick thoughts by skimming a few ISOs of some people:

Safety and Jake are town. Unless they're just good scum, both of them seem to have to town-motivated actions and are trying hard to create plans to find scum. They're both frustrated by the lack of activity and analyzing ways to get activity going again, which is town-motivated. Looks good for now.

Also @Safety I might not be a "newbie" but I've only seriously played outside the newbie queue once, and that was an open game. I didn't understand how the setup worked, although I did read the part about guessing. So no, not "clearly a faux attempt at stupidity."

The only thing that really sticks out to me about dry-fit is the hypocrisy thing he tried to bring up with MrRee. It looks like a very slight towntell, since it drew quite a bit of attention to himself before he finally decided it wasn't helping find scum.

I'm not sure I agree with serrascum. Especially in the first part of the game I think his idea of directing the 1-shots to PRs is a town motivated thought, and I don't think scum would usually propose a plan to do something at the start of the game. His later posts read bored-town as well. So slight town on serra.

TIP looks like carefree leaning town, I actually kinda like his 493/495.

Fitz looks null, nothing in particular sticks out. So does TNE, bert

Yeah most of you look null at this point.

I actually think BT leans a bit scum. The way his activity drowns out as he waits for "darthe to catch up" is a bit weird. Aside from that he just gives me weird vibes.

Darthe also could lean a bit scum. Now that I think about it Dry-fit gives me weird vibes too. Bleh

Hopefully I can shed some more light on this later, I'm confusing myself at this point

[thenewearth]

I'm not tunnelling, I'm lurking, remember? <3

Gaise

Y Serra Not lynched?

[Bert]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count 1.0

Darthe - 4 (BT, serrapaladin, havingfitz, TheIrishPope) (L-3)
serrapaladin - 4 (Jake From State Farm, thenewearth, Bert, Darthe) (L-3)
Mr_Ree - 1 (innocentvillager) (L-6)
innocentvillager - 1 (SafetyDance) (L-6)
SafetyDance - 1 (Mr_Ree) (L-6)
thenewearth - 1 (Dry-Fit) (L-6)

Not Voting: LnGrrrR

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-27 21:15:00)

Tomorrow's another 21 day D2. *groan* Come on, Bert, be optimistic! Keep your chin up! GET IN THE GAME DUDE

[BT]

I'm sorry I completely neglected this game for a while, I got occupied by other stuff and I'm not sure I'll want to get back to this. If I don't catch up tomorrow just sub me out.

[Darthe]

Y no serra lynched?

[Dry-fit]

Well looks like its time get a-lynching.

Unvote. Vote: serralpaladin.

It's your lucky day jake.

We have less than 12 hours here so I recommend everyonenot voting serra do so.

[thenewearth]

it's serra or nothing

I'd rather have serra.

[LnGrrrR]

Can someone break down the reasons why they think Serra's wagon is better than the Darthe wagon?

Also, what a weird game to go see last night.

[thenewearth]

IIRC we pretty much did.

Can you explain the Darthe wagon, then?

[havingfitz]

On the road this weekend....

v/LA until tomorrow night

Not changing to serra over others I suspect more. I'm sticking with Darthe.

[Jake from State Farm]

Can someone break down the reasons why they think Serra's wagon is better than the Darthe wagon?

Also, what a weird game to go see last night.

how about the fact that as deadline is near we have a player (safety) who in a last ditch effort to save serra has now started tossing a new person (IV) into the equation and at the same time attempting to discredit the person pushing serra (me)?

There is no town motivation to all of a sudden discredit by falsely accusing me of things that anyone reading the thread can plainly see I am not doing.

how about the main proponent to a darthe lynch just happens to be serra and he has out right refused to explain why he is his biggest scum read other then saying that he is being useless which applies to serra as well.

Us darthe useless and kind of scummy? absolutely but Serra has refused to explain his reads and since scum have to fake reads, refusal to explain them hints that his reads aren't genuine.

that's my opinion anyway.

[Bert]

9 more hours...

guys hurry up and get a lynch before a NL happens...

[Jake from State Farm]

mod since the site went down yesterday and today is a weekend can we get a 24 hour extension?

[Bert]

To add onto what Jake has proposed, the site has been down a few hours today (as well as yesterday) so I don't feel it is unreasonable for another additional few hours (minimum) to be added to the deadline. <3

[Dry-fit]

33 minutes...

[Jake from State Farm]

the site went down today and yesterday, if the mod does not grant an extension that would be bad and the mod should feel bad

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

~Sorry for the absence guys. I didn't realize the site was down yesterday. I will be extended the deadline.

New deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-29 22:00:00)

Vote Count to come~

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Vote Count 1.13

serrapaladin - 5 (Jake From State Farm, thenewearth, bert, Darthe, Dry-Fit) (L-2)

Datrhe - 4 (BT, serrapaladin, havingfitz, TheIrishPope) (L-3)
SafetyDance - 1 (Mr_Ree) (L-6)
Mr_Ree - 1 (innocentvillager) (L-6)
innocentvillager - 1 (SafetyDance) (L-6)

Not Voting: LnGrrrR

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-29 22:00:00)

Phrases -

Things you would like your last words to be

1.

Fly little bird, fly free

2.

Bah humbug

3.

Take care of yourselves, remember to hold each other tight, and I wish you the opportunity to continue living a full life

4.

I don't have much time. I hid the money under the...

5.

Are you sure this is safe?

6.

Mama, take this badge off of me. I can't use it anymore. It's getting dark, too dark to see. Feel's like I'm knocking on Heaven's door

7.

Tell my wife...she's not allowed to marry again

8.

We can dance, we can dance, everybody look at your hands

9.

Rosebud

10.

Now comes the mystery

11.

My wallpaper and I are fighting a duel to the death. One of us has to go

12.

YOLO. It's True

13.

This is my body double.

14.

Pirates of the Caribbean ROCKS

[Jake from State Farm]

GUess aeronaut said Tell my wife she's not allowed to marry again

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: serra

[SafetyDance]

You want a fucking pissing contest about the validity of wagons or the persuasiveness of reads, Jake:

VOTE: Serra

I'll take you up on that deal

Bargaining!

I feel so guilty about being behind, man ahahaha

Vote: Serra

Not confident in this vote, but I think Jake's town, so there's that?

Sheeping, with an out posted.

Also, VOTE: unvote vote serra

What are the reasons for each of the people voting Serra to be voting him?

Self-preservation vote and a hypocritical question - he gives no reason why he's voting.

Well looks like its time get a-lynching.

Unvote. Vote: serralpaladin.

It's your lucky day jake.

More sheeping.

VOTE: serra

Fuck knows.

That's the Serra wagon. 1/6 people who actually have a case on him....and that's one person is someone who's had a case for him since 4 days into a 21-day game-day and has since done nothing but tunnel and try to beat down anyone who's had contrary opinion against it since.

The town on that wagon should be ashamed, that gives SFA information on the wagon in future VCA and doesn't help one bit, regardless of flip. All people are doing is trusting the guy that shouts the loudest and is the most aggressive in his pig headiness.

Then you have the gall to try and paint me scummy for telling you the holes with your case, telling you how weak your reasoning are and that they can be applied to IV, how your play style is doing as much harm and negative impact as what you are claiming Serra is doing?

[SafetyDance]

Fuck you, for trying to claim I'm scummy for trying to get another wagon happening when no one that is on your serra-wagon is on it for any other reason than a compromise and if people are compromising for Serra they can certainly try and consider an IV lynch.

Can someone break down the reasons why they think Serra's wagon is better than the Darthe wagon?

Also, what a weird game to go see last night.

how about the fact that as deadline is near we have a player (safety) who in a last ditch effort to save serra has now started tossing a new person (IV) into the equation and at the same time attempting to discredit the person pushing serra (me)?

There is no town motivation to all of a sudden discredit by falsely accusing me of things that anyone reading the thread can plainly see I am not doing.

how about the main proponent to a darthe lynch just happens to be serra and he has out right refused to explain why he is his biggest scum read other then saying that he is being useless which applies to serra as well.

Us darthe useless and kind of scummy? absolutely but Serra has refused to explain his reads and since scum have to fake reads, refusal to explain them hints that his reads aren't genuine.

that's my opinion anyway.

Fake reads? OMFG. The temerity of you Jake. FFS

THIS IS FAKE READS:

Spoiler:

I feel so guilty about being so apathetic about this game - I finally caught up two nights ago though!!! And I came up with next-to-nothing, but I might as well spill since it's better than nothing! It's a mess though. Still no solid reads or opinions.

Ahhhh Bert snap out of it!!! I will be back with consistent comp access tonight - I will not forget!! And I will post or slap me silly!

I feel so guilty about being behind, man ahahaha

I've just been having trouble focusing

Tomorrow's another 21 day D2. *groan* Come on, Bert, be optimistic! Keep your chin up! GET IN THE GAME DUDE

9 more hours...

guys hurry up and get a lynch before a NL happens

...

THIS IS FAKE:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Jake From State Farm

Vote Mr_Ree

THIS IS FAKE:

Spoiler:

Jake is town

Serra is town

Dry-fit null-scum (because of the opportunistic sheep)

Gaise

Y Serra Not lynched?

it's serra or nothing

I'd rather have serra.

THIS IS FAKE:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Darthe

That wasn't really a question but whatever
Darthe and Ree are my top two (Ree one is fading, will have to meta him)
Reasons when I get a computer, though it's all pretty obvious

VOTE: serra

WHAT YOU ARE CALLING FAKE:

Spoiler:

Jake said "fly little bird"

54 is just all sorts of weird. Being condescending about mechanics is bad (particularly when wrong), and the thing about my avi is just confusing. I get the feeling Safety's rules thing is more "trying to say something clever about the rules" than "help people understand them".

Jake is still town and Ree's arguments are slightly pedantic in places. I am still leaning town-town on them, though. I'm getting mild flashbacks of Ree and my argument towards the end of the Slender game.

TIP and tne are town, too.

early interaction felt like you were partners, specifically changing of the phrase felt like you had inside knowlege (see my scum theory I posted earlier)

What the hell sort of reason would I have to guess at my scumbuddy's phrase twice? Just because you think you see a connection between us doesn't mean we're scum...

your town read/defense of ree makes no sense because nothing about his posts have been pro-town, in fact they have been

very anti-town

.

Because he's wrong about you/Safety? But surely that is just assuming he knows your alignments, which is begging the question.

I think he's acting very similarly to how he was going after people in Slenderman.

My read on him isn't particularly strong, mind you, but I don't see why you think Safety comes out of their argument looking more townie (hey, look, another read you barely justified).

As an aside, it's interesting to see how you're willing to disregard what may or may not be theoretically optimal play because of how sure you are I'm scum.

I know 'stalling' is a nice buzzword to call people scummy over, but have you considered what scum-me would have to gain by not explaining my reads when asked to? Stalling as scum only really makes sense if you have some target to stall towards. I'm sure you're not implying I'll be inactive until DL, since I mentioned I would explain once everyone had posted and have been decently active otherwise, so what use would it be for scum-me to wait for a short while to explain my reads? Stalling to give reads (which, you know, a bunch of other people are doing) makes sense for scum, since they won't have to commit to reads. Explain why stalling to explain reads is scummy.

Serra quickly changing like that was completely strange and being right just makes it even worse.

I changed because I reread them paying a bit more attention, and the quote LITERALLY HAD "MYSTERY" IN IT, hence I decided it was more likely that that was his quote. I also don't know whether or not I'm right, but your "theory" that I would immediately guess my partners phrase is bad, and you should feel bad.

Jake, how do you feel about your own signature?

There's nothing town about that post by Darthe, which basically amounts to "oh crap I might be lynched for inactivity, so let me give a superficial and meaningless commentary to a few quotes". And his earlier play didn't add up. He made a lot of random accusations of people fishing for towncred without drawing any real conclusions.

Quick preliminary thing before I catch up:

Jake, how do you feel about your own signature?

There's nothing town about that post by Darthe, which basically amounts to "oh crap I might be lynched for inactivity, so let me give a superficial and meaningless commentary to a few quotes".

And his earlier play didn't add up. He made a lot of random accusations of people fishing for towncred without drawing any real conclusions.

I thought this was too decisive. Serra also neglected to explain his reads like I asked him too (and now Jake).

Darthe are you done catching up? The fact that you started doing so but then just kind of stopped gives you no points here.

Do you disagree then? Darthe's catchup post looks like a standard "crap I need content to make people back off" post, and I feel pretty good about my scumread on him, so it fits into the picture.

So Jake, I don't want you to policy lynch anyone, I just want you to help lynch Darthe, who is useless AND scum. Also, I'm getting particularly bored by you pointing out what you think I need to post. I think I've said at least something about ~all of my reads (again, compared to several players who are just happily lurking along), and I couldn't care less whether you reject the reads I had coming out of RVS. If you wanted to be constructive, you could for example suggest why you don't think Darthe is scum, rather than your current contrarian tunnelling.

I gotta reread this.

Any reason I'm being voted for that holds up?

This guy is still scum, btw.

If you've read/played in a handful of my games, you'll know my activity varies quite a bit. At the moment, I don't have time for much of anything.

Jake, while still more likely town than not, is useless as long as he's tunnelling on town, but I guess that's what I get for antagonising him. The parts of his arguments that aren't waffly bullshit mostly rely on my initial refusal to fully justify my reads out of RVS (which I continue to defend as logical play while many people were missing any sort of content), and his subsequent refusal to accept the (admittedly short) reasons I did give. If I see an early comment by someone I would find weird coming from scum, I'll give them a preliminary townread. Jake, it seems, would rather have people complaining about the lack of content and call the majority of the playerlist null.

While I haven't put together a case against Darthe, I did point to more than just his lurking to call him scum over, and so have others.

No, just no.

Not to mention you haven't come up with one reason why IV should even be considered town, nor refuted any of the points I made.

If this s town Jake, it is incompetent-shout-at-everyone-then-left-alive-at-lylo-to-lynch-wrong Jake. Just like Monopoly.

And fuck you again for pissing me off, I was tying not to get into one of your asinine arguments on day one. Ffs.

[SafetyDance]

I know I haven't posted any content yet so I'll try to give some quick thoughts by skimming a few ISOs of some people

Unacceptable. You've been in the game since the start and you have no thoughts on the game? If you've read enough to know the VC and the phrases guessed, you've read enough to have reads on the game, let alone enough content to scum hunt and play the game.

Also @Safety I might not be a "newbie" but I've only seriously played outside the newbie queue once, and that was an open game. I didn't understand how the setup worked, although I did read the part about guessing. So no, not "clearly a faux attempt at stupidity."

In order to accept this we have to believe several things:

That you have failed to read any of the pages and any of the posts bar the mod for the entire game-day.

That you have completed only one non newbie game when you've completed 2 open games AND modded one.

Despite all that experience of playing mafia you left all that at the door when you decided to join this one.

That despite playing this for THREE WEEKS, you ignored all the others players who were playing and scum hunting just like a newbie game or open game and not once understoodthat it's exactly the same, despite being told.

That you said aforementioned quote and:

Wait how does this setup even work

Sorry omg hahahahahhaa

Honestly I still have no idea how mini games work lol

How many scum are there?

But also did this:

I just realize that TIP:12 has been guessed at least twice

TIP said #6

Which shows intelligence enough that you are tracking the game enough to know who's been guessed, who hasn't and is targeting phrases outside of the plan when it suits him.

So despite limited posting you've done nothing but contradict yourself.

Believe me

when I say that I'm doing your intelligence a favor here by not assuming that someone can be this stupid, this contradicting, and is therefore, scum.

The fact that Darthe and Serra are getting run up instead of you (and some others) just shows the apathy, laziness and further stupidity of this player list.

[SafetyDance]

TNE said #7