Mini 1793: Freedom's Call (uPick Anything): Finale

[RadiantCowbells]

Votecount 4.24:

Demonic Angel (1): Yume
Bellaphant (1): Postie
The Limit Does Not Exist (0):
Postie (0):
Yume (0):
Gammagooey (0):

Not Voting (4): Gammagooey, Demonic Angel, The Limit Does Not Exist, Bellaphant

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-06-07 01:00:00).

[Yume]

1.
If we wre scum we'd be a roleblocker, right?
Then why was LIMIT ROLEBLOCKED, who has CONFIRMED we roleblocked him, and not YOU YUME.

I mean scum afterall shot the cop who you obviously were going to protect.

Are we a strongarm roleblocker bullshitmadness?

Or what?

2.
Why did we OUT THAT THERE IS SCUM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD

WL was already taking a shit ton of heat and I go an dout another scumbuddy? How the fuck do you even make sense of this in you brain?

No, Ranger was macho, therefore, my protection didn't work. Didn't you read her flip?

[Demonic Angel]

Yes in HINDSIGHT its clear why your protection didn't work.

Think of the knowledge scum had going into that night:

Was there anyway to KNOW he was a Macho?

Do you really think scum rolecopped the claim miller N1?

THUS you have to think, if you dont think we rolecopped the MIller, that we were a strongarm.

But anyway, ignore that post because as Nahdia reminded me you claimed bodyguard so my point doesn't stand. Optimal play would've been to not shoot you since that makes someone a bulletproof (something you could've left unclaimed for optimal effect in future games but I guess you are a month old player)

[Yume]

Okay, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, however, if night results show that I or Gamma were roleblocked, then you're scum, cos you are the only one with that power.

[Demonic Angel]

Fine

[Demonic Angel]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Yume]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Bella's hated so don't hammer her without consensus.

I suddenly don't want to trust Demonic again... I noticed the part in the rules that said "unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise" and it could be a "you can do both if you're the last scum remaining" thing... and multiple people (including Ranger) are suspicious of them.

I'm getting a vibe of "I'm conftown stop doubting me and get on with the plan already"... I can't believe there's no way to do this without assuming Demonic is town.

I think we should actually try assuming Yume is town. Besides the macho flip, that would be a super awesome fakeclaim.

If we do that:
No lynch
Demonic jailkeeps Postie
Yume protects Gamma
Gamma cops Demonic
We shoot nobody

Possible results:
We die, Gamma has guilty/no result: 1v1 between Gamma and Demonic with 5 alive
We die, Gamma has innocent: 3 confirmed town (Yume, Postie, Demonic)
Yume dies, Gamma has guilty/no result: 1v1 between Gamma and Demonic with 5 alive
Yume dies, Gamma has innocent: 3 confirmed town (us, Postie, Demonic)
Nobody dies, Gamma has guilty/no result: 1v1 between Gamma and Demonic with 6 alive
Nobody dies, Gamma hs innocent: 4 confirmed town (us, Yume, Postie, Demonic)

I don't even know which is best. I hate it when games turn into break-the-setup. (@Postie remember ETL's UPICKSORTA? It's feeling like the same thing here :/)
-smart

[Postie]

I suddenly don't want to trust Demonic again... I noticed the part in the rules that said "unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise" and it could be a "you can do both if you're the last scum remaining" thing...

Possible, but I think it's pretty unlikely.

Demonic Angel <3

[Gammagooey]

I have a pretty specific order of people I want dead or absolutely 100% confirmed no matter what and people I'm fine leaving alive and it's pretty much this

living->dead
Limit->Postie->Yume->Demonic->Bella

Given the amount of words in every scum role pm so far, I don't want to assume bella ONLY has their hated+double vote as their only abilities. I don't want to assume that demonic is the only one possible that could roleblock or redirect someone (though I do think it's really unlikely any scum could do that+kill given they have 4 members)

imo the least fuckable-with way to win the game is just to murder as many people that aren't conf-town or borderline as possible, and use the jailkeep+my cop to confirm anyone else if that can be added on. i'd rather not no lynch since with 6 alive we can basically kill 3 people with a lynch+vig+lynch in addition to everything else.

SO how about
lynch bella
jailkeep yume+cop postie
vig demonic since the jailkeep goes through either way
if there's a scum kill, lynch between me and postie (and if postie is 'Will Breaker Otter Bullshit' when there still hasn't really been a role that fits exactly into the Will Breaker theme perfectly I'll borrow one of SpyreX's hats to eat, yume not getting her first pick means that RC probably saw one really well fitting willbreaker role that's still alive and a bunch of good free will ones and then smushed everything else together to vaguely fit)
if not then i have a result so lynch+vig me and whoever the result points to being scum

^pretty sure this guarantees the win if anyone is scum but postie and their role suuuper doesn't make sense as scum.

[Postie]

imo the least fuckable-with way to win the game is just to murder as many people that aren't conf-town or borderline as possible

Basically this.

<3 Demonic Angel

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I like that.
If Demonic doesn't die they're pretty much confirmed scum.
I'm ready for a hammer. I'd say we get everyone's formal agreement to this plan before hammering.
-smart

[Gammagooey]

also got confirmation from that mod that the *scum can't action+kill at the same time* rule isn't affected by last scum alive, the role pm would still have to explicitly say an ability could be used with a kill if it matters for anyone

[Yume]

That plan won't work. If I am jailkept, you'll die before you can give any results.

[Gammagooey]

if im the scum kill and you're jailkept, that means only you, postie, and limit are alive, and town wins by lynching postie since you couldn't have done the kill and limit is conf town.

[Yume]

Oh. That makes sense.

[Yume]

No objections here then.

[Bellaphant]

I said ages ago that my role was pretty under powered - my lynch is being totally scum driven. One of the founding fathers of democracy isn't on team free will? Really?

P-edit. Whatever. I was hoping for a perfect game.

[Demonic Angel]

UNVOTE:

No jesus you people haven't been listeining.

[Demonic Angel]

So the plan is...

Lynch Bella

Limit vigges Postie
Demonic Angel jailkeeps Postie
Yume protects Gamma
Gamma cops Yume

Does anyone disagree?

This plan literally gamesolves and anyone trying to complicate things further is scum trying to worm their way out of it.

[Demonic Angel]

I'm getting a vibe of "I'm conftown stop doubting me and get on with the plan already"... I can't believe there's no way to do this without assuming Demonic is town.

Our plan doesn't require you assume we're town anymore. We fixed that.

[Postie]

One of the founding fathers of democracy isn't on team free will? Really?

Wouldn't one of the founding fathers of democracy also be an easy fakeclaim?

<3 Demonic Angel

[Demonic Angel]

lynch bella
jailkeep yume+cop postie
vig demonic since the jailkeep goes through either way
if there's a scum kill, lynch between me and postie (and if postie is 'Will Breaker Otter Bullshit' when there still hasn't really been a role that fits exactly into the Will Breaker theme perfectly I'll borrow one of SpyreX's hats to eat, yume not getting her first pick means that RC probably saw one really well fitting willbreaker role that's still alive and a bunch of good free will ones and then smushed everything else together to vaguely fit)
if not then i have a result so lynch+vig me and whoever the result points to being scum

NO

have you lost your marbels?! If you do this, then both Limit and I can die, which means you don't have any mislynches. This is literally "How Gamma can win the game as scum".

[Postie]

I'm scared and have no idea what I'm doing.
Demonic Angel sounds like they know what they're doing so let's do that.

<3 Demonic Angel

[Demonic Angel]

That plan assumes Yume isn't unblockable, and that Postie is conftown when she isn't. You don't NEED to make those assumptions.