Mini 1568: Another Awesome Alliteration Adventure (over)

[BipolarChemist]

Man, it feels like B_E is buddying up to me hard. This is obvi going no where and I think everyone's said their piece, so here goes!

VOTE: B_E

[The Betting Pool]

yup, that was pretty much the right move from day start

[SleepyKrew]

yup, that was pretty much the right move from day start

If you want to lynch B_E for the hammer, you're doing it wrong

Man, it feels like B_E is buddying up to me hard. This is obvi going no where and I think everyone's said their piece, so here goes!

VOTE: B_E

[N]

ambit

noun
1. circumference; circuit.
2. boundary; limit.
3. a sphere of operation or influence; range; scope:

the ambit of such an action.

Vote Count 2.11

toolenduso

(0)

The Betting Pool

(0)

Rubicon

(1) Riptide

BipolarChemist

(0)

Jargonaut

(0)

SleepyKrew

(2) Egg, Rubicon

MTD

(0)

T S O

(0)

Riptide

(1) Burning_Earth

Burning_Earth

(6)

toolenduso, MTD, SleepyKrew, The Betting Pool, Jargonaut, BipolarChemist

Egg

(0)

Not Voting

(1) T S O

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-05-11 23:11:32)

.

V/LA:

Egg

[N]

Burning_Earth has been lynched.
He was

an Average Anybody

, Vanilla Townie, aligned with

the Angels

.

You are

an Average Anybody

(a Vanilla Townie)

.
This means that you have no special powers.

Night 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2014-05-11 00:59:18). Please have have all actions to me by then.

[N]

Jargonaut has died night 2.
She was

an Awful Apprentice

, Goon, aligned with

the Aliens

.

You are

an Awful Apprentice

(a Goon)

.

Rubicon has died night 2.
He was

an Acclaimed Actress

, Beloved Princess, aligned with

the Angels

.

You are

an Acclaimed Actress

(a Beloved Princess)

.
If you ever die, the town will be so devastated by the loss that the following Day phase will be skipped and there will be two Night phases in a row.

Night 3 starts now and ends in (expired on 2014-05-13 09:53:49). Please have have all actions to me by then.

[N]

MTD has died night 3.
He was

an Ammunition Appraiser

, Gunsmith, aligned with

the Angels

.

You are

an Ammunition Appraiser

(a Gunsmith)

.
Each night, you may check to see if one other player for any form of weapon. You will be told your results at the beginning of the next day.

[N]

aguish

adjective
1. producing, resembling, or resulting from ague.
2. easily affected by or subject to fits of ague.
3. shaking; quivering.

Vote Count 4.00

toolenduso

(0)

The Betting Pool

(0)

BipolarChemist

(0)

SleepyKrew

(0)

T S O

(0)

Riptide

(0)

Egg

(0)

Not Voting

(7) toolenduso, The Betting Pool, BipolarChemist, SleepyKrew, T S O, Riptide, Egg

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-05-27 10:02:37)

V/LA:

Egg

[Egg]

Another Awesome Alliteration Adventure

Reviewed by quadz08, Empking, and Titus.

Playerlist

toolenduso
The Betting Pool

(hydra of Lucky2u and penguin_alien)

Rubicon

(replaced caledfwitch*)

BipolarChemist*

(replaced mnemonicdevice**)

Jargonaut
SleepyKrew (

replaces Dunhamganger**)

MTD
Elyse
T S O
Riptide

(hydra of 3dicerolling and HighShroomish)

Cho
Burning_Earth*
Egg*

Spoiler: Alive

toolenduso
The Betting Pool
BipolarChemist
SleepyKrew
T S O
Riptide
Egg

Spoiler: Dead

Cho,

Average Anybody

, Vanilla Townie,

Angels

, lynched day 1
Elyse,

Auxiliary Aid

, Jack of All Trades,

Angels

, died night 1
Burning_Earth,

Average Anybody

, Vanilla Townie,

Angels

, lynched day 2
Jargonaut,

Awful Apprentice

, Goon,

Aliens

, died night 2.
Rubicon,

Acclaimed Actress

, Beloved Princess,

Angels

, died night 2
MTD,

Ammunition Appraiser

, Gunsmith,

Angels

, died night 3

Spoiler: Important Events

Day 1: Start - Rubicon replaces caledfwitch - End
Day 2: Start - BipolarChemist replaces mnemonicdevice - SleepyKrew replaces Dunhamganger - End
Day 3: Start - End
Day 4: Start

A BCDEFGHIJKLM N OPQRSTUVWXYZ

ISO'd MTD. Didn't find anything. Jarg ISO should come next when I have time.

[Egg]

Ignore that quote. Not sure why it's there. Apologies in advance if this post has one too

[SleepyKrew]

VOTE: tool
Reread his interaction with Jargonaut D2.
I can go into more detail after school.

[T S O]

I think we can safely assume certain things about our power.

I really don't feel like reading back again, because my reads have gone to shit. But I will. The majority of players here I don't actually have a read on. I think tool's town, though, so this case better be good, SK.

[SleepyKrew]

okay so tool and Jargonaut were arguing about Jargo's TSO unvote and whatnot
Important stuff starts here:

The reason I said your scenario is convoluted is because there doesn't seem to be scum motivation for me to do the things you are saying I did.

I've noted the scum motivation several times now.

This is a very odd thing to say. Up until this post, you hadn't noted any scum motivation, so you responding to me with this makes it seem like you're trying to make my arguments look redundant when they aren't.

Lol this should be fun. Let's quote all the times I've listed the possible scum motivations:

Spoiler: All the times I've given possible scum motivations for Jargonaut's actions

It almost seems like Jargonaut was waiting for an excuse to unvote TSO so she could go hop on a more viable wagon (that post was made when Riptide was at L-3 and Cho was at L-2.

I still find it generally suspicious for a player to cave the way you did. It feels like it's not genuine play, and town play with genuine-ness.

No, because scum have no genuine town motivation behind voting for somebody. So it would make sense for scum to want to vote for somebody else but not be sure who.

The core of my argument is this. These behaviors:

-Retracting the biggest part of your argument for scumreading someone
-Declaring that they are still your biggest suspect
-Keeping your vote on them anyway

Seem scummy to me because they contradict each other and therefore suggest that your motives aren't genuine.

Maybe you hadn't made up your mind as to which wagon you wanted to get on. Maybe you only felt pressure to unvote and you didn't feel so much pressure to hop on a different wagon. Maybe Riptide was your partner, so you didn't want to vote for them, but you also couldn't drum up a convincing enough case on Cho in time to hop on the wagon before it hit L-1.

The reason I said your scenario is convoluted is because there doesn't seem to be scum motivation for me to do the things you are saying I did.

I've noted the scum motivation several times now.

This is a very odd thing to say.

Up until this post

, you hadn't noted any scum motivation, so you responding to me with this makes it seem like you're trying to make my arguments look redundant when they aren't.

Lol this should be fun. Let's quote all the times I've listed the possible scum motivations:
~~snip~~

Maybe you hadn't made up your mind as to which wagon you wanted to get on. Maybe you only felt pressure to unvote and you didn't feel so much pressure to hop on a different wagon. Maybe Riptide was your partner, so you didn't want to vote for them, but you also couldn't drum up a convincing enough case on Cho in time to hop on the wagon before it hit L-1.

I'm done with this stupid back and forth. The fact that you quoted your post 402 in response to my claim that you hadn't provided scum motivation

before

402 means that you are doing one of three things:
1. Not reading what you're arguing against
2. Being actually bad at logic/reasoning
3. Purposefully making poor arguments

I'm going to step back and reread this whole conversation to see what the likelihood of 3 being the case is. I'm not sure if it's just frustration with your seeming obtuseness, but it feels quite likely.

Hey that's fine by me. I've stated my opinions and you haven't said anything that really made me reconsider them. I feel like at this point we're going in circles so fuck it.

So let's summarize
tool said "you did this thing which I think is scummy"
Jargo said "it is not scummy and you didn't note any scum motivation"
tool said "I did indeed note scum motivation and here are examples"
Jargo said "ONE (1) of those examples is from after I asked the question!!! conversation over!!!"
tool said "okay"

tool did not point out the gigantic logical fallacy made by Jargo. tool did not actually try to convince anyone of Jargo's scumminess besides Jargo herself. tool was making a lot of noise while trying not actually to be heard.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm also contemplating a massclaim
If we did one, I'd want it to be popcorn with tool starting
But I'm not entirely convinced if it's better to do today or tomorrow

[T S O]

idk. I have a feeling that the majority of Town's power has been used at this stage, so it doesn't seem to do much, but maybe.

[T S O]

idk about tool. you're right that his push was weak, bad, whatever, but I've played scum with tool before and when he interacts with you, he puts in effort. if him and Jargo were scumbuddies, meta tells me his reaction would be a lot more concerted. I don't really know his town meta, I guess.

Open 545, btw.

[SleepyKrew]

Though actually
maybe
please other people help me think through this
I'm thinking:
"whoever killed Jargonaut starts the claiming and popcorns from there
if no one claims that kill, then popcorn starting with [player] (tool)"
No one actually act on this yet

[T S O]

Didn't see the end of last page. I'll respond to Rubicon whenever I get back online. Busy day.

Oh, and I'm also debating whether or not I should vote Riptide. Partially because I'm kind of tired of their misrepresentative attacks on me, partially because it's the biggest wagon besides mine. Any thoughts? Would you call me out as scummy for being survivalistic, or are Town not allowed to want to avoid guaranteed mislynches?

Bye.

So you find Riptide scummy for their arguments against you? Isn't TSO making the same arguments?

Also, FYI that last Cho vote put her at L-1.

This supports Riptide being scum.

@tool
1. a. I responded to the part about weird play
b. I'm really not sure why having two confo townies on our wagon contributes to our being scum. Was actually gonna let dice take this one but w/e
2. I can't find it. Care to quote it?

I think this is what he's referring to:

I've been letting Gaiden do most of the interactions in this game since I wanted him to become a better player, but I will not tolerate downright VI activities coming from this hydra.

The end of 303 by Riptide is extremely town. Think about it. As scum, they'd be lying about having that conversation last night. Where is the from doing that?

I don't get it. Why wouldn't scum say that? It seems null to me.

Also, can we get a prod on Betting Pool? Or is it too early since we just started a new day?

I'd also like to see your readslists, tool.

For now, VOTE: Riptide based on Cho's case on him.

This looks like a bad bus.

TL;DR Think of B_E as a child and most things he does make a hell of a lot more sense.

That doesn't explain away all his behavior. I previously mentioned that he never went anywhere with his Riptide case, or even explained it. Why would a town BE do that?

This promotes BC-town.

[Riptide]

Vote: TheBettingPool

This is mainly gut and that I feel that this slot has been coasting through this game. HS isn't exactly sure yet.

SK - I for one, have never been a big fan of mass claiming, but I have had very little experience in situations where mass claiming is helpful, so I would love to discuss your thoughts on why it would be a good time now.

- Dice

[T S O]

Dice, thoughts on the above?

[SleepyKrew]

TSO, how do you differentiate a bad bus from scum not knowing which townie to vote because they're not sure how to fake genuine scumhunting?

PEDIT:
Dice, I'm assuming worst-case-but-still-in-the-game, which would be 3v2 LYLO tomorrow. The earlier you claim, the harder it is to make stuff up later. Massclaims in general are a good idea because they give information to town and force scum to think on their feet. Early massclaims are bad because then they give too much info to the scum, but I think it's late-enough in the game that benefits outweigh risks at this point. I think.

[SleepyKrew]

idk about tool. you're right that his push was weak, bad, whatever, but I've played scum with tool before and when he interacts with you, he puts in effort. if him and Jargo were scumbuddies, meta tells me his reaction would be a lot more concerted. I don't really know his town meta, I guess.

Open 545, btw.

... one game?
he clearly

was

putting in effort with Jargonaut
but I think he eased off the gas when he realized no one was paying attention to them because of B_E




also hightideofdice, thoughts on my tool case?

[T S O]

"based on Cho's case on him" is such an incredibly lazy way to vote someone. If someone blatantly sheeped a case, giving no additional reasoning whatsoever, I'd call them out on it. I think it's possible he subconsciously knew Riptide -wouldn't- call him out on it because they were scum together.

pedit: interesting theory. I'll think about the latter part.

[T S O]

lazy and antitown as it sounds, I really like tool and I'd love him to be Town, so I may be a little stubborn.

don't worry, though, I won't hesitate to give my vote if I think he's scum.

tool <3

[T S O]

What stage in the argument would you think tool realised they were being ignored?