Mini 942: Gonzo Mafia - Game Over!

[Jack]

Annoying = Scummy?

I thought he was scummy yesterday, it was just that one of the points was not that good it turned out.

You think just slapping a vote on him with no questioning actually help matters?

Post or perish.

[VP Baltar]

Well...maybe so, I figured. It was ugly and pitted all over with millions of festering poison pits, which boiled and bubbled constantly and infected all those who touched it....

But it was a full-bore Lamborghini hot rod, a monstrous thing that weighed 5,000 pounds with bulletproof glass and twelve cylinders with a top speed of 125 miles an hour and a .50-caliber machine-gun mount behind the driver's seat....One night on the Big Sur Highway I beat a Porsche 928 from the Carmel Bridge to Nepenthe by nine minutes, mainly because I beat her like a cheap hound on the curves. It was a small woman driving the 928 and she went all to pieces when I passed her at 110 on the Bixby Creek Bridge and then squeezed her into the sand dunes....

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Votecount 2-2

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hohum ~ L-2 (Vi, xRECKONERx, Percy, Jack)

Locke Lamora ~ L-3 (ekiM, Sotty7, Zachrulez)
Sotty7 ~ L-5 (Debonair Danny DiPietro)
Percy ~ L-5 (hohum)

Not Voting: Jahudo, Locke Lamora

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch. Deadline is April 17 at roughly 12 p.m. (GMT-4).

[ekiM]

Yeah, after it was obvious ortolan was going to be the lynch IMO. Earlier in the day, as ort was gaining steam, I noted in my catchup post that he jumped ship for hohum, then ended up going back to ortolan. Felt like a pseudo attempt to start up another wagon.

Can you give some post numbers for when you think these different things were happening? I'm having trouble following your interpretation of events.

Vote: Sotty

Ortolan quotes her once in a response and that's it. Whenever he's mentioned by Sotty early it was almost invariably within the context of hohum and Percy where she's extremely indecisive in regards to him, but late in the day he pops up on her willing to wagon list and it's not really clear why until her vote post. I also have issue with her tone which just seems very off to me.

Is lack of interaction more scummy than chainsawing in defence?

Is there anything concrete about her tone that bothers you? Have you played with her before? What is her tone usually like?

DDD's "case" on Sotty is meh, but Sotty's lack of involvement with ortolan is actually a really telling tell... I've seen it happen a lot, and I know when I'm scum, I either bus the hell out of my partners or try to ignore them for the most part.

DDD's case is the lack of involvement (+ "tone"). Why are you saying it's both "meh" and "really telling"?

Vote Percy

Is this all you are going to grace us with?

Jahudo seemed scummiest to start and could be my main choice, but hohum turning up with just a vote is annoying.

What is it about Jahudo that you find suspicious?

[ekiM]

Locke replaced out of Open 208 with the same message, for reference.

[Jahudo]

335 I drop xRx/kyle and name hohum, DDD, ortolan as my suspicions, hohum/DDD ahead of ortolan.

Ok, I can believe that based on how you said you liked ortolan's interactions with kyle, and instead of calling him 'bad man' you said 'inscrutable man'. Which sounds more neutral.

Deadline was close. I was ambivalent between hohum and DDD. 336 I put the DDD vote out there to see if there was any interest, otherwise I was planning on pushing hohum.

If that's true than why start the DDD wagon instead of adding your support to the existing hohum wagon at that time?

381/384 I started thinking about possible scumteams with hohum. I doubted Locke and Sotty's reactions to the hohum case. "I read him as town" with no elaboration was suspect. Sotty had been misrepping the hohum case.

You had addressed that misrepresentation back in 351, before you switched your vote to hohum. Were you thinking that it made hohum looks scummier back then? Or did it take until after you switched your vote to consider implications of hohum being scum?

Now, you say that my suspicion of anti-hohum-case people could be an indirect way to detail the ortolan wagon. Two points of response: first, there was one person on the ortolan wagon at that point, with a day until deadline. If I was ortolan's scum buddy I don't think it'd be worrying me that much.

Well WIFOM, but that's a reasonable way to look at it. One thing you were doing around the same time was giving your reasons against a Jack lynch, which would be accomplishing the opposite of derailing an ortolan wagon.

Can I ask if you find Locke chainsawing Vi for pushing ortolan, and explicitly denouncing the possibility of the ortolan wagon happening in time more or less suspect?

I'll look at that next.

[Amished]

Yippee ki aye, motherfuckers!

Anyways, I'm your friendly Locke Lomora replacement (VP is just lazy at this point *cough cough*)

Catching up, up to .. page 3 and I want to vote for Zachrulez. Nobody else yet.

[VP Baltar]

Amished replaces Locke Lamora effectively immediately because he's awesome. Welcome him!

[Amished]

Vi: Is there anybody that you have trouble getting a read on at this point of the game?

Hohum: If you call me Ed, will you shoot yourself in the face for me?

DDD: Do you feel bad about Friends and Enemies?

xRx: *sigh* Why?

Sotty: MN power woohoo! Are you town?

Zach: More MN Power! Regardless of my intent to vote you, what's the most compelling thing to happen on day 1 in your eyes?

Percy: Don't turn into a cult.

And I think that's everyone. Continuing to read.

[Amished]

Ahh, whew. I do have a second suspect.

Percy should be lynched as well. Pretty sure that will win the game. Who wants a lynch now?

[Amished]

Oh dammit, I have a third Jack/flinter probably should be lynched too. Before zach, after Percy.

[Amished]

Ok, switch everything, Percy needs to be lynched first, flinter shouldn't, Zach second.

Unvote

Every intention of voting Percy solely based on the game up to page 8 (where I am now).

I'm so sad now though, an hour into the game and nothing from anybody...

[Amished]

Vote: Percy

Ok, so everyone on hohum look at page 9. Seriously, go back and read it. Now.






Ok, now you tell me if hohum is scum with ortolan or if Percy is attacking hohum who went after ortolan. I don't understand this wagon at all. Hopefully I'll be able to catch fully up tonight.

[Jack]

I checked page nine, but I can never tell if someone defending scum strongly is actually scum.

However I did notice that one of Vi's main points about hohum is totally bogus. No mud on Vi mind you.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD: Do you feel bad about Friends and Enemies?

Why would I feel bad? I feel annoyed that I couldn't convince others to believe me (and even that is tempered by the fact that I was pitted against both Zorblag and Vi), but I don't feel bad when I was right more often than I was wrong.

[Amished]

@DDD: I just wanted a question to people I've played with before and that was the first one that came to mind. Link to your case on Sotty?

@Jack: Fine, look at hohum attacking Ortolan. Does that look like scum attacking a buddy?

[Jack]

The whole conspiracy about hohum "waiting" before accusing xRx is utter dreck. In case you missed it, hohum was multiposting, catching up to each response as he saw it. This should be obvious by how hohum finally got to flinter's post "don't lynch xRx" long after she actually made it and hohum had already responded to earlier posts twice.

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big post by percy (201)
xReck says: "K. Lynch me. This game does not interest me in the slightest." (post 202)
Percy responds to xReck (203)
flinter responds to xReck (204)
hohum responds to big post by percy (205) <--fair enough on multiposting/catching up

what's with the ultimatums from people who are nowhere close to being lynched?

hohum I would like to know the totality of reasons for your vote on Percy at this point in time.

In (207) hohum responds to (206) with a lengthy post and about 8 links
Then in (209) hohum replies to (204) and votes xReck

So, he most definitely did wait to accuse xReck.

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@Jack: Fine, look at hohum attacking Ortolan. Does that look like scum attacking a buddy?

It could be. That's not really something I weigh real heavily.

I did notice a couple things hohum said to orto though:

If you're not going to rectify your lurking problem

So you think calling out lurkers in a game with tight deadline is scummy? We should continue to allow people to lurk?

[Amished]

So, does hohum's attacks of orto feel genuine or not? Ortolan's attacks on hohum don't feel genuine to me, and neither do Percy's.

[xRECKONERx]

Amish, <3 you regardless of your "Why"s.

[Amished]

lol. Well that's how I feel whenever I read any of your games. "Why do you say this, why do you do that, why are you you, why can't you be me, why aren't you dead, why are they lynching you" It's very frustrating.

What do you think of this game overall so far?

[xRECKONERx]

Rather awesome considering ortolan was scum and we nailed him D1.

And I rarely have explanations for things I do in-game, you know this.

[Amished]

I know, but I always ask myself those questions. I still don't understand why you were lynched in Portal mafia.. Whatever.

[xRECKONERx]

Probably because I tried to vote myself.

[Amished]

There was ample hate for you early on. I felt that VP and I were the only ones that didn't think that you or SSK were scum in that game. Anyways, why are you voting for whomever you're voting for?

[xRECKONERx]

hohum (Yes, as ekiM has said, much of hohum's play has been weaksauce so far, but I don't think not commenting on a replacement qualifies as a valid scumtell. Weak play includes that shitty ass "hai guyz mah vote is teh finalz!11!!!1" when we weren't even close to deadline and especially now that's it has been extended, but there's something about hohum's play that gives off a VT vibe. I dunno. I'll keep my eye on him, but he's not the lynch for today.)

It's no longer yesterday.

He is now the correct lynch.

[Amished]

Why? (you set yourself up for that)