Battlestar Galactica Mafia - Game over!

goodmorning · Post Post #5600 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:15 pm

I'm not talking about your VCA, I'm talking about your general analysis.

I'm aware that you've not been in this game for long or read much of it. That's not what it's about either.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5601 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:15 pm

In post 5594, Titus wrote: That's the only possiblity for him. He lurks through most of the scum busses in the early day and the town mislynches and then shows up to just what... lead a wagon on
town
.

In post 5599, Titus wrote:
Goodmorning
on the day she was governed.

say what now?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5602 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:18 pm

unvote.

stepping away for 30 minutes..

did I just force a slip?

Titus · Post Post #5603 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:19 pm

@CKD, That's abstract analysis.

There's no way Nikanor comes in as scum to just lead a wagon on town, for him to be scum requires GM scum.

Why the stretch? Given my analysis so far, it should be a reaction test but *shrug* why?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5604 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:59 pm

sooo, how is Nik cleared if you dont know GM's alignment (you are actually leaning scum on him).

Brian Skies · Post Post #5605 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:00 pm

In post 5545, RIP wrote:I doubt sleeper is a VT like I am

Why's that? You don't think scum would fakeclaim something safe like VT?

In post 5551, curiouskarmadog wrote:What exactly would a mafia RB counter? they surely didnt counter a screen or Brian who supposedly can watch.

We also have a tracker and a claimed JOAT. If it starts off as a town role, then it can also potentially block a rolecop, protective tracker, and 1x silencer.

In post 5554, Titus wrote:Brian, although he's bragging about how "good" he was early

Never happened. Don't confuse me with RIP.

In post 5554, Titus wrote:Would I think Brian was town if there was no sleeper? No, he'd be a solid null.

I think I've done enough to warrant at least some read on me. I mean, we even have players on complete opposite sides of the camp as far as I go. So what's your issue?

In post 5561, ValiliaRei wrote:Or my role is bastard.

Or a pointless red herring. I'm leaning towards neither.

In post 5569, Titus wrote:Val isn't scum if Brian is.

There can only be one sleeper. My VCA dictates they'd both have to be sleepers to be scum or scum orchestrated massive self bussing to avoid a VCA with no certainty I'd be here to do it. Stop with Brian Val. I'm not going there.

This is probably the best thing Titus has posted since she replaced in.

In post 5575, Titus wrote:without worrying about my neg. utility.

Your negative utility isn't even an issue and I don't know why you're so caught up by it.

In post 5577, Titus wrote:Good morning, the final VC is what is inevitable. The VCS I am most concerned with reveal choices.

And yet I've already shown you that VCA sometimes misses some of these choices. But nope, 'let's rely on self admitted faulty analysis rather than just reading the game.'

In post 5583, curiouskarmadog wrote:I imagine after I post this, his posting will magically increase.

Or apparently, just not post at all.

In post 5585, Titus wrote:There's also the whole Brian began lying and shit as we were no longer getting scum lynches.

Wait, what? When did this happen?

In post 5594, Titus wrote:Nikanor is clear or scum with GM. That's the only possiblity for him. He lurks through most of the scum busses in the early day and the town mislynches and then shows up to just what... lead a wagon on town. I don't think he'd do that as scum. Nikanor might do that as a scum scum situation, but that's again unlikely. It'd be more advantageous for him to lurk rather than lead a wagon that he would unlikely be able to get out of.

What're your thoughts on Nik being a sleeper?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5606 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:14 pm

In post 5605, Brian Skies wrote:

In post 5551, curiouskarmadog wrote:What exactly would a mafia RB counter? they surely didnt counter a screen or Brian who supposedly can watch.

We also have a tracker and a claimed JOAT. If it starts off as a town role, then it can also potentially block a rolecop, protective tracker, and 1x silencer.

ooookay, but WHO did it block...no one is saying they were blocked...when do you think said RB/sleeper flipped?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5607 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:17 pm

In post 5605, Brian Skies wrote:

In post 5594, Titus wrote:Nikanor is clear or scum with GM. That's the only possiblity for him. He lurks through most of the scum busses in the early day and the town mislynches and then shows up to just what... lead a wagon on town. I don't think he'd do that as scum. Nikanor might do that as a scum scum situation, but that's again unlikely. It'd be more advantageous for him to lurk rather than lead a wagon that he would unlikely be able to get out of.

What're your thoughts on Nik being a sleeper?

God...and there is this.

Titus, there is no way in hell you (as town) would be comfortable in clearing Nik this way.

unless you are just arrogant in your VCAs analysis.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5608 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:17 pm

Brian....only scum wants a no lynch today.

who are you voting?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5609 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:18 pm

same goes for Val and Titus.

Titus · Post Post #5610 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:18 pm

In post 5607, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 5605, Brian Skies wrote:

In post 5594, Titus wrote:Nikanor is clear or scum with GM. That's the only possiblity for him. He lurks through most of the scum busses in the early day and the town mislynches and then shows up to just what... lead a wagon on town. I don't think he'd do that as scum. Nikanor might do that as a scum scum situation, but that's again unlikely. It'd be more advantageous for him to lurk rather than lead a wagon that he would unlikely be able to get out of.

What're your thoughts on Nik being a sleeper?

God...and there is this.

Titus, there is no way in hell you (as town) would be comfortable in clearing Nik this way.

unless you are just arrogant in your VCAs analysis.

My VCA hasn't been wrong in a large theme yet, so yes I'm that confident. That's a fight AP and I had in We the Purple II.

I've got Brian as the sleeper, so Nik can't be the sleeper. Second, if Nik was the sleeper, his VCA would be stronger at the beginning.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5611 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:19 pm

vote Nik

Titus · Post Post #5612 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:21 pm

In post 5604, curiouskarmadog wrote:sooo, how is Nik cleared if you dont know GM's alignment (you are actually leaning scum on him).

He's cleared enough for today. Frankly, I'm not lynching the guy who can only be scum in a certain scenario, I would lynch GM first.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5613 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:24 pm

mod

does a silencer usually remove the ability of someone to vote (along with keeping them quiet)?

goodmorning · Post Post #5614 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:25 pm

As I've said before, I'm really fine being lynched. I'm getting a bit tired of this game again. Everything is setup spec and VCA.

p-edit: i see where you're going but i can't bring myself to care

Brian Skies · Post Post #5615 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:26 pm

In post 5606, curiouskarmadog wrote:ooookay, but WHO did it block...no one is saying they were blocked...when do you think said RB/sleeper flipped?

The majority of us wouldn't know if we were blocked. And if it's an odd night roleblocker (which would explain why Toog was killed on N5 instead of N4), then it's possible I was roleblocked on both N3 and N5. He would also have no one left to block after N5 since Boo already died and Val/I ran out of actions to take.

I'm currently at Titus > Nik > GM > RIP > Val > CKD. But I'm fine with letting Titus live for another day and giving her another shot at obvtowning after she has a better opportunity to read and catch up.

In post 5612, Titus wrote:He's cleared enough for today. Frankly, I'm not lynching the guy who can only be scum in a certain scenario, I would lynch GM first.

Why do you think Nik can only be scum if GM is?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5616 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:26 pm

fuck you gm (if you are town)

Titus · Post Post #5617 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:33 pm

@Brian,

I literally JUST answered that with CKD.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5618 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:34 pm

I am so done with this game.

I have literally talked myself in and out of cases for all the remaining players to be scum.

Nobody really looks town. Nobody.

I was hoping that a NC replacement would help matters, but it just made shit worse.

I am going with my gut. My strongest suspicion in this game. If I am wrong I am wrong, I dont think anyone could blame me at this point. If I am right...I am a fucking hero.

unvote, vote Brian.

Brian Skies · Post Post #5619 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:35 pm

In post 5606, curiouskarmadog wrote:when do you think said RB/sleeper flipped?

Oh, right. I didn't answer this. If it's just a sleeper roleblocker, then I think Day 3 would make the most sense because I think that would have been the best opportunity for a town roleblocker to claim. There was no kill on Night 2 and I only saw Val visit Toog, so logically, a roleblocker who took an action that night should have outed their result since they could have blocked scum.

This never happened.

But it wouldn't explain why they killed Boo first unless they were thinking they could get me mislynched after the previous day.

If it's a limited roleblocker that flipped, then I have no idea and it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't flip as late as Day 5 (any longer than that would be pretty unreasonable though).

Titus · Post Post #5620 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:38 pm

In post 5614, goodmorning wrote:As I've said before, I'm really fine being lynched. I'm getting a bit tired of this game again. Everything is setup spec and VCA.

p-edit: i see where you're going but i can't bring myself to care

This is odd given you were excited for me to crack the game, but now you're dulled about the game turning to VCA?

Titus · Post Post #5621 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:39 pm

VOTE: Brian

There we go. There's a wagon I approve of that has most of the votes.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5622 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:42 pm

titus, if Brian flips scum...who is his buddy?

if he flips town, who would be the remaining scum?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #5623 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:45 pm

no no..

I am done.

I REALLY cant look at this game anymore.

Brian Skies · Post Post #5624 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:45 pm

In post 5598, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 5594, Titus wrote:Nikanor is clear or scum with GM. That's the only possiblity for him. He lurks through most of the scum busses in the early day and the town mislynches and then shows up to just what... lead a wagon on town. I don't think he'd do that as scum. Nikanor might do that as a scum scum situation, but that's again unlikely. It'd be more advantageous for him to lurk rather than lead a wagon that he would unlikely be able to get out of.

what wagon in particular did Nik lead?

In post 5599, Titus wrote:Goodmorning on the day she was governed.

The GM wagon was the first major wagon of the day. Who says he couldn't have just been trying to misdirect the lynch away from his buddy? And then he just spends most of his time tunneling GM the next few days and he hasn't had a major push elsewhere since.