IN BEFORE LYNCH REVEAL: Whew I wanted to post something before night fell.
@CKD
My issues:
1. A cop claim is impossible at this situation, we would be in night phase already if Charter claimed cop with an investigation. Either a CC occured against Charter or he was unCCed and Mari would be dead. Also it's day one and unless N0 counts as a night to submit night actions then it's als impossible to be a cop with an investigation already. Logic ftw.
2. You brought up "cop claim". Any skiming would be obvious that the town wouldn't be in this charter vs Mari fight if there was a cop claim. Don't use it as an excuse when you post something that you want to speculate/rolefish on.
3. One if I voted you before questioning you its called OMGUS. Two now if I wanted to I have more reason to because refusal to answer analysis questions is anti-town.
I want to quote the following for emphasis:
DTMaster wrote:
@CKD
2.
If you think I'm scummy based on that comment you have to elaborate more on this point.
CKD wrote:
No..I don’t. You have a problem with that?
Vote me. It is called a vibe. I don’t understand why you would post it…maybe it was the timing of the post. Tubby just said “too”. To me that looked EXACTLY like a scum slip…for you to come out of no where with that comment is bothersome.
Both Charter and CKD are guilty of refusal to analyze. There is only one reason that they would do that and that would mean they cannot. If they cannot analyze they are pulling things out of thin air and that's scummy. That's all I have to say.
4.When rereading I did question your RL vote, my bad on post numbering. If you read my list of questions in my ISO 23 I asked three things
a. Though I don't understand why you unvoted me, elaborate that as well when you come back.
b. Is there something in my other posts that would implicate me as scummy?
c. I was requesting the summary (of the town).
When I read your 294 it's a legit reason to pressure someone, that I agree with. I got the post numbering wrong here in my question c. :< I was wondering why I was getting hounded on that.
@EB Death
Interesting and shows carter has a good nose for this. Time for a reread.
@Kariyuu
o-o... Why would Seraphim withhold that information? And I never heard of someone dying if they are investigated. Sounds fishy... but I'll make note of that. (Also don't answer the first question, it was rhetorical and me speaking/typing outloud)
@BC
Vote the mod to experiment on since I know in Tar's game he's sometimes a player.
@Mariyaa
Scum confession? It's mainly a strike against scum lately.
@Yos
1. I find my reasoning the opposite here. If you are pro-town then you should have nothing to hide when voting something. I'm not asking you to claim, etc, but without any form of reasoning it is the blind sheep following the leader scenario. Yes in a large game like this it wouldn't have so much impact, but I do not find it "pro-town" to hide that kind of reasoning.
We have a thread, let's use it. If you read my newbie game meta two townies ignored a line of questioning, got lynched and lost the game for the town. I take a policy stance to get full explanations ever since. Chalk it up for differences in mafia theory.
2. See my above reasoning in response to the second question.
3. No, if you just said "I'm willing to vote someone" without any line of questioning/reasoning then it's fence sitting. I cleared Shan since she already progressed on the latter. Using
just the threat of voting without the latter to back you up
is poor play.
When taken to the extreme it would imply that if someone just vote jumps constantly then he would be "pro-town" for pressuring so many people, rather then be criticized about that vote jumping. Same principle as my number 1, you should have reasoning behind your votes and if you don't have one, inquire about it.
4. You asked this question:
Yos wrote: Are town only supposed to have one suspect a day no matter what?
My response was no, since you can multi-pressure and have multiple suspects. Also this rhetorical question is a poor line of questioning against me to weaken my argument against shan because I didn't have an issue that she had troubles focusing on one suspect. It was the opposite, she wrote a sentence saying she didn't know who to vote pressure on two, when it's pointless and you could just question them.
If they refuse, well look at charter and CKD.
5. I wasn't clear in my tunneling statement.
Yos wrote: In my experience, scum throw around that accusation more then town do. Especally since I'm attacking like 4 people at once and it makes no sense here at all.
Yes, that is true but I was referencing this to:
DTM wrote:
Yos wrote:
Everyone demanding charter explain his vote is acting scummy as hell here. ElectricBadger is the worst, but DTMaster and randomlunitic don't look good either.
What about Nik, cicero's questioning on charter's actions? Vi even wants charter claimed before a Mari lynch in her 437 and you semi cleared her as potential town.
The tunneling argument was applied since you did not address the above people when you put forward that statement. The three people you outlined aren't alone in attacking charter's play and potentially show some favoritism.
I agree on your Vi analysis, especially after tubby flipped town but I don't understand why you chose to left out all these other players when you chose to take the angle that:
Yos wrote: Everyone demanding charter explain his vote is acting scummy as hell here
You are attacking around 5-6 people but are tunneling on
3 people
instead of the full group. There has been both direct and indirect attacks to charter since his information claim, a lot of them come from your "townish list". You aren't tunneling when you post and question people, you are tunneling only on this argument. That I have an issue with.
6. Actually with the recent EB flip I'm more inclined to assume a single faction so far with lots and lots of killing roles here. Same reasoning due to the flavor name of the mafia and the relationship you outlined between EB and Mari.
7. Lol yes because I voted charter intially pre-claim, then voted mariyta post claim then did an obvious pressure vote on charter to explain himself in my 500. Did you read my meta? It explains alot. You think it's poor policy? I stand by it.
Next you lynch cicero for doing the same thing and then lynch Nikanor. Oh Vi asked for a claim when she shouldn't have vote her even though she gives town vibes. See my 5. Poor reasoning.
@Charter/Yos
You consider me confirmed scum? Let's find out.
