Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[Empking]

Vote: Dybeck

He obviously hasn't been reading the thread and is still attacking the plan despite that.

[VisMaior]

Also, I agree with pretty much with everything in VisMaior's post except for the part where he says that RandomGem seems scummy. Why is he scummy?

2 things: 1. timing of his post after his role revealed, suggesting he sent the reveal order 2.

[quote="VisMaior

I personally lose nothing by this. (Although town may get screwed...)

So you arent town then?[/quote]

also.

UNVOTE Kinetic

And noch:

Kinetic is receiving an Official Warning for Jackassery (trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage) due to his questions about the exact wording of win conditions. He's extremely lucky that I'm not modkilling him on the spot. - Tar

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

[armlx]

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

No, not given the fact the information he was asking about was posted in thread.

[farside22]

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

No, not given the fact the information he was asking about was posted in thread.

I looked at the last 2 pages I'm behind and I don't see that quote where did Tar make that statement about Kinetic?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm just not big on his 'plan'.

That's a natural reaction to being bossed around, has nothing to do with alignment.

[DrippingGoofball]

And noch:

Kinetic is receiving an Official Warning for Jackassery (trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage) due to his questions about the exact wording of win conditions. He's extremely lucky that I'm not modkilling him on the spot. - Tar

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

Excellent point. Kinetic is henceforth mod-confirmed to be a townie on account of the wording "trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage" - there would be no advantage if he were scum. The mod, who knows this to be a fact, is essentially confirming that Kinetic is in fact scumhunting. Thus he must be a townie.

Now we can look back and see which scumbags are still voting for him.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

No, not given the fact the information he was asking about was posted in thread.

Well hullow, scumbag.

[DrippingGoofball]

And you definitely have some way of telling truth from lies? Because presumably everybody, scum or not, is just going to say 'Army of Light'?

I can honestly say that anyone who states Army of Light is lying scum.

Very interesting. How can anyone not vote dybeck after that?

unvote, vote: dybeck

[veerus]

And noch:

Kinetic is receiving an Official Warning for Jackassery (trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage) due to his questions about the exact wording of win conditions. He's extremely lucky that I'm not modkilling him on the spot. - Tar

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

Excellent point. Kinetic is henceforth mod-confirmed to be a townie on account of the wording "trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage" - there would be no advantage if he were scum. The mod, who knows this to be a fact, is essentially confirming that Kinetic is in fact scumhunting. Thus he must be a townie.

Now we can look back and see which scumbags are still voting for him.

That's a good observation and I could probably get behind it for a few days. But I'm not sure I would go as far as fully confirm Kinetic. Just because scum are the informed faction in the game doesn't mean that they wouldn't seek additional advantage if they could come up with a way to do it by coming up with something the mod didn't expect or tried to avoid.

[RandomGem]

And noch:

Kinetic is receiving an Official Warning for Jackassery (trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage) due to his questions about the exact wording of win conditions. He's extremely lucky that I'm not modkilling him on the spot. - Tar

Ehh?Does this confirms Kinetics townness or what?

Excellent point. Kinetic is henceforth mod-confirmed to be a townie on account of the wording "trying to use the structure of the role PM to gain an advantage" - there would be no advantage if he were scum. The mod, who knows this to be a fact, is essentially confirming that Kinetic is in fact scumhunting. Thus he must be a townie.

Now we can look back and see which scumbags are still voting for him.

That's a good observation and I could probably get behind it for a few days. But I'm not sure I would go as far as fully confirm Kinetic. Just because scum are the informed faction in the game doesn't mean that they wouldn't seek additional advantage if they could come up with a way to do it by coming up with something the mod didn't expect or tried to avoid.

Plus, there's always mod-WIFOM to consider.

@VisMaior: I meant the race claim doesn't immediately hurt me since I'm already revealed, but has the potential of totally screwing town.

[populartajo]

I think that what Mod Tarh did was to confirm him as a scumhunter pretty close to break the game. I dont know if scum could gain any advantage of it.
So yeah, should be interesting to look after.

[forbiddanlight]

I think that what Mod Tarh did was to confirm him as a scumhunter pretty close to break the game. I dont know if scum could gain any advantage of it.
So yeah, should be interesting to look after.

I honestly don't see this. Scum might use structure of role PMs to try to smoke out power roles or some such. I don't think Tar confirmed Kinetic either way.

Ding ding ding we HAVE a winner! (Read: Forbiddanlight is 100% correct here and you should listen to her.) - Tar

[Tarhalindur]

It is possible to try to use the structure of the role PM for you advantage regardless of your alignment - all you have to do is ask explicitly about the wording and/or structure of the role PM. If my previous warning could not have been given to Kinetic regardless of alignment, I would have modkilled him. - Tar

[populartajo]

I think that what Mod Tarh did was to confirm him as a scumhunter pretty close to break the game. I dont know if scum could gain any advantage of it.
So yeah, should be interesting to look after.

I honestly don't see this. Scum might use structure of role PMs to try to smoke out power roles or some such. I don't think Tar confirmed Kinetic either way.

Ding ding ding we HAVE a winner! (Read: Forbiddanlight is 100% correct here and you should listen to her.) - Tar

LOL. You just confirmed her.

[forbiddanlight]

You all really look too hard for confirmation. The only person that is remotely confirmed is RandomGem, and even that's iffy. Tar was only saying that I correctly understood why Kinetic wasn't modkilled.

[cr3t1n]

P.S: I really wish more players would participate in the discussion. And where did Cr3t1n disappear of to?

FoS: Cr3t1n

i askd him y he wasnt lookin at other ppl who were lurking n vote vismmaior
then he sed

Uh, VisMajor just voted yesterday.

but that desnt meen vismaior wasnt lurkin b4 that
then he sed this

We need some prodding. Mod: Prod Internet, DGB, Tovarish, and Vismaior.

vismaior is lurking now
l0lwut

he desnt asnwer when i ask him if his suspishus of vismaior

y

maebe becuz he is scum

[Kinetic]

P.S: I really wish more players would participate in the discussion. And where did Cr3t1n disappear of to?

FoS: Cr3t1n

i askd him y he wasnt lookin at other ppl who were lurking n vote vismmaior
then he sed

Uh, VisMajor just voted yesterday.

but that desnt meen vismaior wasnt lurkin b4 that
then he sed this

We need some prodding. Mod: Prod Internet, DGB, Tovarish, and Vismaior.

vismaior is lurking now
l0lwut

he desnt asnwer when i ask him if his suspishus of vismaior

y

maebe becuz he is scum

How about you stop acting like that?

[RandomGem]

P.S: I really wish more players would participate in the discussion. And where did Cr3t1n disappear of to?

FoS: Cr3t1n

I asked him why he wasn't looking at other people who were lurking, and vote VisMaior.
Then he said:

Uh, VisMajor just voted yesterday.

But that deesn't meen that VisMaior wasn't lurkin before that VOTE:
Then he said this:

We need some prodding. Mod: Prod Internet, DGB, Tovarish, and Vismaior.

VisMaior is lurking now.

l0lwut [Error: Does not translate.]

He doesn't answer when I ask him if he thinks VisMairo is suspicious.

Why? Maybe because he is scum.

Because I know I needed it.

I think we are just engaging in mod-WIFOM, and we should stop.

[DrippingGoofball]

Kinetic is confirmed, and forbiddenlight pretty much confirmed as well.

[Darox]

Hey, ho, lets go.

I don't think the race claim is going to have the effect Kinetic thinks it will.

[malthusis]

Hey, ho, lets go.

I don't think the race claim is going to have the effect Kinetic thinks it will.

QFT

Kinetic, you're pushing the race claim way too much. Why do you want it so badly? I haven't you do a single thing to hunt scum. All you've done is comment amount events and defend your big 'plan'.

Unvote, Vote Kinetic

Kinetic is confirmed, and forbiddenlight pretty much confirmed as well.

Which way is Kinetic confirmed (scum/town)?

[veerus]

Kinetic is confirmed, and forbiddenlight pretty much confirmed as well.

That's a ridiculous statement. The only thing this confirms is how complicated the setup is and that it is probably vulnerable to some unintended loopholes.

[Tarhalindur]

"I'm caught in a web of my own good intentions."
"Well, the road to hell is paved with them, sir."
"I know. But why does it have to go through this office?'" - John Sheridan and Elizabeth Lochley

Still searching for a replacement for Cybele. - Tar

The Seventeenth Vote Count (aka the "A Voice In the Wilderness, Part 1" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

VisMaior (0)
Empking (0)
malthusis (1) - cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer)
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (2) - Natirasha, malthusis
Cybele (3) - MafiaSSK, pacman281292, dybeck (rep. soaperguy29)
MafiaSSK (1) - Mana_Ku
armlx (0)
Darox (rep. seraphim) (0)
forbiddanlight (0)
populartajo (0)
Mana_Ku (0)
Natirasha (6) - armlx, RandomGem, Darox, (rep. seraphim), farside22 (rep. Tovarish), forbiddanlight, veerus
veerus (0)
The Internet (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (0)
pacman281292 (0)
RandomGem (0)
hp [leaves] (0)
dybeck (rep. soaperguy29) (2) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), Empking
farside22 (rep. Tovarish) (0)

Not Voting (5): VisMaior, Cybele, populartajo, TheInternet, hp [leaves]

Votes required to lynch: 12

FoS Count:

VisMaior (1) - farside22
Empking (1) - veerus
malthusis (1) - armlx
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (2) - Cybele, The Internet
Cybele (3) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), Natirasha, veerus
MafiaSSK (1) - malthusis
armlx (1) - VisMaior
Darox (rep. seraphim) (1) - hp [leaves]
forbiddanlight (3) - Empking, Kinetic, veerus
populartajo
Mana_Ku
Natirasha
veerus (1) - Empking
The Internet (1) - Kinetic
DrippingGoofball
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (1) - malthusis
pacman281292 (1) - Kinetic
RandomGem (1) - pacman281292
hp [leaves] (1) - Kinetic
soaperguy21
Tovarish
people pushing this idea (1) - malthusis
Tarhalindur (1) - Kinetic
Mastermind of Sin (1) - Kinetic
Glork (1) - Kinetic
Lucky Charms (The Cereal) (2) - Kinetic, RandomGem

Current and Final Deadline:

October 31, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[dybeck]

Kinetic, you're pushing the race claim way too much. Why do you want it so badly? I haven't you do a single thing to hunt scum. All you've done is comment amount events and defend your big 'plan'.

Unvote, Vote Kinetic

Guys, make sure you're voting Kinetic because you

actually

think he's scum. There's a world of difference between being Not Helpful and being scum. Don't lose sight of the object of the game.

[Darox]

Kinetic, you're pushing the race claim way too much. Why do you want it so badly? I haven't you do a single thing to hunt scum. All you've done is comment amount events and defend your big 'plan'.

Unvote, Vote Kinetic

Guys, make sure you're voting Kinetic because you

actually

think he's scum. There's a world of difference between being Not Helpful and being scum. Don't lose sight of the object of the game.

He's right.

Kinetic's plan may not be the key to the universe, but it doesn't mean he's scum.