Summon the Phoenix's "these messages prove our slot conftown" seemed a bit too strident, but looks like they'll get away with it.
Although perhaps if Kitty also got the messages KT and Prince might realise NM is very unlikely to have visited both of them on one night, therefore the messages aren't likely from scum?
"holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy
why is no one calling her out on the fact that her slot could have sent those messages to then make the argument that they would "conftown" the slot, not even involving dead players at all
why in gods name is no-one realising that the "two different scum messages" scenario would mean two scum are alive and that therefore the game should be over.
literally the only people here capable of communicating to coordinate a message like this are the dead.
In post 532, Quiet Owl wrote:
why in gods name is no-one realising that the "two different scum messages" scenario would mean two scum are alive and that therefore the game should be over.
literally the only people here capable of communicating to coordinate a message like this are the dead.
I mean, could also be a Double Word Vendor or something. Thou hopefully KT should see it can't be, since he (should have?) received a single message with two words
In post 536, Enchant wrote:Town incapable of winning when names of mafia sended to them.
That's dedication.
As frustrating as this is to watch, I can't really blame them; dead town playing lovers mafia with betrayed mafia revealing scumteam & sending messages is not something I would've thought of either.
In post 532, Quiet Owl wrote:
why in gods name is no-one realising that the "two different scum messages" scenario would mean two scum are alive and that therefore the game should be over.
literally the only people here capable of communicating to coordinate a message like this are the dead.
Town incapable of winning when names of mafia sended to them.
That's dedication.
It's funny because laughing is better than crying.
In post 536, Enchant wrote:Town incapable of winning when names of mafia sended to them.
That's dedication.
As frustrating as this is to watch, I can't really blame them; dead town playing lovers mafia with betrayed mafia revealing scumteam & sending messages is not something I would've thought of either.
That's really compassionate considering Town can also vote correctly by ignoring any strange messages and reading the game they signed up to play. You can say "oh but you're biased, it's easy to see because you're in the dead PT" and I can reply
In post 1140, Frogsterking wrote:
I'll break my silence to say I am a TPR with big swing for Town and if a rolestopper is available then I request they visit me tonight because it is important that I get my shots off at night. I feel okay soft claiming because:
1) it's immediately obvious that I am a TPR due to how I am approaching the game, especially to scum, therefore
2) scum may opt to roleblock me if available, in order to waste more of town's time tinfoiling my slot
3) I have finally identified a solid N1 target for my ability, and a roleblocker may not have realized that I require their assistance
4) While I was away I created a new list of D1 candidates for D1 lim (who I am suggesting because my impression is that guidance is required on slots who actually make sense to vote D1:)
Furtive/kittens/George/Enchant
George, furtive, and kittens are all scummy based on simple tells which are easy to spot, while my read on Enchant is both based and based on similarity to their scumgame in TfT. Quiet Owl and MathBlade I swapped out because they are generating more associative tells with other players, commenting on a wider variety of things and in my experience I don't think they are as likely to flip scum as Enchant or George are.
I'm still intending to ghost the thread until Friday night, and after that, I may ghost the thread again for a couple days. Unless anything important happens then I'll mainly just be posting a reads list and maybe my meta case on Gamma. I'm somewhat apathetic who gets voted out as long as it's one of those four. I'd rather other people discuss and choose so the discussion can be read D2. Opportunity to policy lim Mathblade revoked, and I'm switching my vote to furtive because I have a slight preference for that slot over the others:
VOTE: furtiveglance
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Terry: ...Thanks.
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Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
I started d2 with the idea of sheeping everything frogster was suggesting in the thread. then I kinda zoned out of that, but then I re-read early pages and saw him catching KA, which I think was fundamental to get that elimination going.
In post 542, Gimli wrote:
I started d2 with the idea of sheeping everything frogster was suggesting in the thread. then I kinda zoned out of that, but then I re-read early pages and saw him catching KA, which I think was fundamental to get that elimination going.
furtive completely escaped my radar this game.
I read that part of the game where KittenAround got ran up and it made me happy to see that. I think what you did was good play to do your own thing while rereading the early pages. Why do you think that furtiveglance slipped through the cracks for you?
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
If I had to guess, my push on furtive when I defended kitten around likely made all who suspected me, not look at furtive. (This was by design, of course.)
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In post 542, Gimli wrote:
I started d2 with the idea of sheeping everything frogster was suggesting in the thread. then I kinda zoned out of that, but then I re-read early pages and saw him catching KA, which I think was fundamental to get that elimination going.
furtive completely escaped my radar this game.
I read that part of the game where KittenAround got ran up and it made me happy to see that. I think what you did was good play to do your own thing while rereading the early pages. Why do you think that furtiveglance slipped through the cracks for you?
mostly I just thought gamma was towny. and I would never believe that 'you hate me so much?' post and then replacing out and everyone going 'frog was so mean to gamma she left' was a thing a wolf would do haha. so, sucks to read into replace outs. I think furtive sided with me all game? so I just thought he was a towny helping out. didn't really considered him as a possibility.
In post 3093, KittyTacky wrote:
I just don't want to vote NM until EOD because it's equivalent to ending the day right then and there and I want discussion.
Because while I understand this, you need to understand that
1) The day isn't going to end. The discussion will be had, all this will do is prove Prince and I are both town.
2) Voting earlier is what PROVIDES that discussion, because right now Prince is doing a handstand and a cartwheel over that nonsense message he received. He literally hasn't spent even a half glance today on either you or NM. It's crucial that we get to force and prove to him and the game what the status of the game is.
Essentially, if you trust me as town here, and you trust Princee as town here, you should vote NM.
Worthless drivel which looks really meaningful as long as you don't actually read it.
It does really take something like a slap in the face to get our brains to stop following this useless shit. I was falling for it with Ranger D1 and George tried to help and I didn't listen, so screw me too I guess.
In post 542, Gimli wrote:
I started d2 with the idea of sheeping everything frogster was suggesting in the thread. then I kinda zoned out of that, but then I re-read early pages and saw him catching KA, which I think was fundamental to get that elimination going.
furtive completely escaped my radar this game.
I read that part of the game where KittenAround got ran up and it made me happy to see that. I think what you did was good play to do your own thing while rereading the early pages. Why do you think that furtiveglance slipped through the cracks for you?
mostly I just thought gamma was towny. and I would never believe that 'you hate me so much?' post and then replacing out and everyone going 'frog was so mean to gamma she left' was a thing a wolf would do haha. so, sucks to read into replace outs. I think furtive sided with me all game? so I just thought he was a towny helping out. didn't really considered him as a possibility.
In post 544, Ranger wrote:
If I had to guess, my push on furtive when I defended kitten around likely made all who suspected me, not look at furtive. (This was by design, of course.)
Quiet + "helping out" + good support is a lethal combination for slipping through the cracks. I guess that's pretty understandable.
FWIW during D1 I thought furtiveglance was displaying fear of posting in the thread:
I have some SHOCKING conclusions about the game (not clickbait) and I've quoted the posts which made me think (pensive) about the game in this way.
Mason claim real
Frogsterking scum
Tris scum
McMenno scum
Gamma Emerald town (already thought that)
Quiet Owl town
Ranger town
Spoiler:
In post 424, Titus wrote:Furtive might be scum hiding behind StD.
This is why I don't usually follow people's votes (and why I explained that this game needs more co-operation than usual), because some players inherently scumread it.
In post 446, Titus wrote:Define lazily. I'm going to push you because you're straight up wrong. I'm going to figure out your issue StD and set you correctly.
tf are you saying here
This is really forced distancing. There is no reason to believe there is any existing tension between Gamma and Titus.
This read seems too wild to be town. Even for Frogsterking, yes I have played with them before, do not mistake this for a meta neutral stretch. They're just leaning into the character they've created and are having a lot of fun with it.
Also: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.
McMenno moved to town lean for me based on pre flip associations with Gamma.
I've seen a lot of scum players play like McMenno is - really sarky and projecting a casual vibe, basing reads off memes etc. This was making me question Frogsterking scum but I can see this as scum/scum quite easily after thinking about it.
Quite simply, there's no role you could claim which I'd believe. Which is also why I've no qualms outing this. I won't accept any roleclaim of imaginality being conftown here, least of all from you.
If imaginality is town by play then he can be town, but by role he most
certainly
is not.
I claim it. Outing it wasn't best. You, if town, could have said I don't believe you.
I don't think town!you ever doubts that. I don't ever lock myself into a fake claim day 1 unprompted.
I don't see Ranger scum Titus town here because it's such a dumb hill to die on as scum. Compare with Frogster reaction, initial hesitancy but commits to voting Titus later after Ranger blunders into a Titus vote.
I have three slots that need to be seriously considered as candidates for the D1 lim: Ythan, furtive and George.
VOTE: furtive
I'm switching my vote from George to furtive in order to (hopefully) consolidate with tris, who I want for the town core. I want to rewind things back to this moment:
Spoiler:
In post 72, tris wrote:btw, i voted for furtiveglance because they said they wanted real time interaction and then disappeared.
if you're looking for a scum who wagoned imaginality, can I suggest you take a serious look at furtiveglance?
In post 596, Quiet Owl wrote:4 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality)
Based on what I've been taught about "wagonomics", I should be anticipating that I have 1 scum who is still vote parked on my wagon. I think these four players can be narrowed down to just McMenno and Ythan. Comparing their isos, I think Ythan's iso is significantly worse than McMenno's.
Redirecting attention onto furtive and Ythan reveals the intriguing possibility that the spoiler quotes are scum theater:
In post 336, Ythan wrote:I'm not talking about nothing I'm talking about you overjustifying a non committal vote.
Imaginality is fine so far besides mixing up Gamma and I which in isolation whatever. Want to see more.
Non-comittal? My vote is as serious as most other votes for where we are in the game.
And yeah I could have just voted but that's not really my style
You put too much effort into telling us it was non committal that's the problem.
Non committal is a phrase you used which I never implied.
I implied it was based more on following a townread's vote than a scumread I have. That doesn't mean it's not committal.
Implying it is actually what you did do, what you didn't do is say it explicitly.
I'm going to stop responding to you about this particular debate now.
336 by the way is another TMI tell regarding Imaginality, this time from Ythan. I think the mention of Gamma in 336 is conspicuous.
This PSA announcing scumreads on 3 fairly low content slots (Ythan possible exception but not much substance) is brought about by Frogster being top of the VC Christmas tree. If they've done the old '1 scumbuddy in 3 scumreads' I'd say GB, but could be Ythan. Possible that neither is scum. Also doesn't fit at all with what I've seen before of town Frogster, they choose more active targets for their votes as town.
In post 617, kitten around wrote:Catching up, I very much doubt that Titus says she has a mod confirmed read on someone unless it’s true. I think it’s possible Ranger actually believes what she’s saying but I don’t understand how she can both townread Titus and still think she’s either somehow being misinformed or less than honest?
I am not going to vote a player that Titus says is mod confirmed. That’s just sounds way too specific to not be true.
This is the sensible view. I think kitten will be sorted with time as 'reasonable' slots usually are, you can judge them by their votes more than posting.
This is ringing very loud alarm bells - worried about seeming authentic with the 'thought process' and then just picks 3 LHF for scumreads and goes for 2 Masons and the player asking the question for town. Scum.
In post 12, McMenno wrote:oh like I have something in my role that interferers with investigative roles so don't target me with those please
Mcmenno is probably town from this post
This is what gives me pause with Elements, I don't think McMenno and Elements are scum together from this. If anything it's McMenno scum that I'm reading at the moment.
I think frog is town, I have no opinion of imagine but i thought i saw a mason claim but i misread that as being imagine's rather than urs
Elements seems town on this page
I don't know what ranger did besides post readlists
It's mostly a default vote. Although I had a misunderstanding about imagine so i read his ISO, i don't notice any meaningful difference between my impression of him here and in a scum!him game i played with him. But that's jut based off of having longer posts and elaborating on what he's thinking as he votes, so I don't have much of an opinion
pedit: Wait is imagineality a mason claim too? I'm fucked up
I found this vote suspect when I quoted it but now it doesn't really make sense from scum MT in a scum Frogster world.
am I on the same level as Titus and imaginify? If so, why?
Also
@elements
why the backtrack on kitten?
It's called a pocket attempt Gamma.
[/spoiler]
VOTE: Frogsterking
He's heavily qualifying himself by using so many words and receipts to declare his OMGUS on me. Town or smooth scum can just OMGUS in a short post and then make shitty arguments as they go. Scared scum think they need all this crap up front in order to post in the thread once they're under pressure. Furtiveglance really low activity level and then all the qualifying he did above is what made me sure he was scum who was afraid of posting in the thread, IIRC. I think he may have been easier to find if you pressured him. I should have tried pressuring Ranger D1, I think.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
