Mini Normal 2335: Rainbows (Night 3)

[RationalMadman]

Robb suddenly wanting to vote me is not at all Towny btw, robb basically goes back and forth on his reads relentlessly, yet he can't justify why he himself didn't vote HA.

Robb/Black/HA can literally be the team.

[Ausuka]

VOTECOUNT 1.7

awesomeming327 (2)

- Robbnva, Roden

Black (2)

- JacksonVirgo, RationalMadman

Charles510 (2)

- Hu Tao, LoveKilling

halfasleep (2)

- Not_Mafia, T3

Hu Tao (2)

- halfasleep, Charles510

RationalMadman (1)

- Black

Not Voting (2)

- awesomeming327, BlackStar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2024-05-16 20:40:00).

[Ausuka]

Replacing BlackStar and JacksonVirgo.

[Black]

If HA is real, it is possible Ming is scum but why did he stop reacting? I feel if he is Scum he keeps pushing for HA to go as a fake there. I also feel him being very engaged earlier but suddenly bored is matching many other players, majority of who have to be Town.

I think scum back off of a PR claim for the town points quite often. And I would also argue that ming hasn't ever really been "very engaged". He has ten posts, and most of them come from a pointless argument with Robb in which ming doesn't even feel like he's trying to sort Robb

A minimalistic Towny tends to try harder when others do and when they think it matters and disengage when they don't see others trying hard and think it doesn't matter.

Huh? Scum do what you're describing here all the time. As the effort goes up the scum are pressured to try and keep up. Scum also thrive when everyone is doing nothing and they can blend right in

so why did Awesomeming vote HA if he is Scum?

You can just look at the results to understand why scum would want to build HA's wagon up. Obviously there are townie motivations for the vote as well but surely you can see the scum motivations too

[Black]

I'm finding it really hard to believe you can't considering you are accusing me of being scum and voting for HA

[Robbnva]

I would support a rational lynch if others do. They are back to a null read to me and we really won’t be able to work together. I’d still rather an awesome or hu lynch though.

go ahead, then vote Black off. I am pretty sure that's Scum. After Black, you are high on the list of potential scum as is HA, depending how later claims and progression go regarding her cop claim.

You’ve proven your judgement can be trusted. So I’m voting who I think is scum or you as a compromise.

[Robbnva]

when someone is e-1 they have to claim. There is nothing coordinated about knowing that.

False. You don’t automatically claim when an e-1. You claim when someone not voting asks for it and intend to hammer.

[Robbnva]

Robb suddenly wanting to vote me is not at all Towny btw, robb basically goes back and forth on his reads relentlessly, yet he can't justify why he himself didn't vote HA.

Robb/Black/HA can literally be the team.

Except I don’t suddenly want to vote you off and I haven’t gone back and forth on my reads. My sc reads have remained the same and you’ve made me doubt my read on you. I realize talking about NL isn’t strong enough compared to everything else you’ve e said recently.

[Black]

VOTE: RationalMadman

Behaviorally I think Rational reads town but I'm starting to think that may just be a personality thing. The reads on me/ming/and LK feel manufactured

I think town!Rational would have an issue with LK going from 0 to 100 on halfasleep. If the thought process of "Black = scum due to halfasleep vote" is real then Rational would have found an issue with LK's progression too. Him completely ignoring it makes it possible that LK is his buddy and 357/362 was a coordinated push to get HA to claim

I also feel like Rational may be spewing ming as town here because the townread makes so little sense that it feels like it has to be informed, though there's a chance he's just coming up with awful reasons to defend his buddy. Regardless I think Rational is probably more likely to flip scum

LK didn't vote HA, being willing to hammer is different to going 0 to 100

Your original issue with me was that my vote seemed unnatural. I find it extremely hard to believe you found LK's intent to hammer natural after her previous posts. She wouldn't vote for T3 or NM despite thinking them being wagoned would be a good thing (258), she said she thought HA's vibe reads were better than what T3/NM were producing and even said she wanted to hear more about HA's vibe reads before voting for someone (274), she said she hates voting early (318), and then she declares intent by threatening to hammer HA (357)

Can you explain to me how this feels natural to you?

[Black]

when someone is e-1 they have to claim. There is nothing coordinated about knowing that.

False. You don’t automatically claim when an e-1. You claim when someone not voting asks for it and intend to hammer.

Yep. Or at least generally speaking. I'm used to claims at intent but sometimes they come at e-1 and then people are like "you should have waited until intent"

[T3]

VOTE: awesome

Actual serious vote goes here. This slot is kind of like Charles in that they're not doing anything, but I get the feeling that he's intentionally trying to fly under the radar and keep his posts to a minimum.

I get the vibe that he doesn't care about the game more than that he's trying to fly under the radar

He's a fairly experienced player, he has the mafia capability to make more posts

[T3]

RMM is probably town although I don't think it's worth engaging with him

His conspiratorial attitude comes from town more often than not

[T3]

Actually 494 might be on to something, idk, I'll look at it more when I come back

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: RationalMadman

Behaviorally I think Rational reads town but I'm starting to think that may just be a personality thing. The reads on me/ming/and LK feel manufactured

I think town!Rational would have an issue with LK going from 0 to 100 on halfasleep. If the thought process of "Black = scum due to halfasleep vote" is real then Rational would have found an issue with LK's progression too. Him completely ignoring it makes it possible that LK is his buddy and 357/362 was a coordinated push to get HA to claim

I also feel like Rational may be spewing ming as town here because the townread makes so little sense that it feels like it has to be informed, though there's a chance he's just coming up with awful reasons to defend his buddy. Regardless I think Rational is probably more likely to flip scum

LK didn't vote HA, being willing to hammer is different to going 0 to 100

Your original issue with me was that my vote seemed unnatural. I find it extremely hard to believe you found LK's intent to hammer natural after her previous posts. She wouldn't vote for T3 or NM despite thinking them being wagoned would be a good thing (258), she said she thought HA's vibe reads were better than what T3/NM were producing and even said she wanted to hear more about HA's vibe reads before voting for someone (274), she said she hates voting early (318), and then she declares intent by threatening to hammer HA (357)

Can you explain to me how this feels natural to you?

What does 'natural' mean when talking about someone being willing to hammer? I can't think how that's ever unnatural unless they hard townread the other player.

[RationalMadman]

when someone is e-1 they have to claim. There is nothing coordinated about knowing that.

False. You don’t automatically claim when an e-1. You claim when someone not voting asks for it and intend to hammer.

Those are identical. If I am e-1 I claim no matter what on any site/format of this game.

[RationalMadman]

Actually 494 might be on to something, idk, I'll look at it more when I come back

Are you going to also look 'at' the rest of the game?

Who outside HA are you most willing to vote?

[RationalMadman]

Robb suddenly wanting to vote me is not at all Towny btw, robb basically goes back and forth on his reads relentlessly, yet he can't justify why he himself didn't vote HA.

Robb/Black/HA can literally be the team.

Except I don’t suddenly want to vote you off and I haven’t gone back and forth on my reads. My sc reads have remained the same and you’ve made me doubt my read on you. I realize talking about NL isn’t strong enough compared to everything else you’ve e said recently.

For full clarity state your reads including townreads.

[Ausuka]

Gypyx replaces BlackStar, and GreedyBanger replaces JacksonVirgo.

[Robbnva]

Those are identical. If I am e-1 I claim no matter what on any site/format of this game.

That’s what you do but that’s not what players are supposed to do. Unless things have changed that much here, that’s not what people used to do.

For full clarity state your reads including townreads.

Said as if I’ve hidden my reads.

Scum are still awesome and Hu

You were slight town but I’ve moved you into the category with NM. Can’t work with either and if a wagon forms I’ll hammer without a claim.

Most everyone else is null or useless. I’ve got a couple town reads but that’s based on yours and half’s alignments.

[Robbnva]

I’ve talked my way out of lim multiple times at e-1

Sometimes as pr, some as scum, some as vt.

There is no reason to claim right away. I’ll say if it’s close to deadline then that’s different but that doesn’t apply here.


That’s actually why I’m unsure of half’s claim. If town he claimed too early. We had time for discussion and looking at how the wagon formed. If scum then claiming a pr and having crumbs ready is something I’d expect to happen.

[Gypyx]

oooo someone at e-1, exciting

[Gypyx]

hmmm that E-1 was on the town cop lol

[Gypyx]

I’ve talked my way out of lim multiple times at e-1

Sometimes as pr, some as scum, some as vt.

There is no reason to claim right away. I’ll say if it’s close to deadline then that’s different but that doesn’t apply here.


That’s actually why I’m unsure of half’s claim. If town he claimed too early. We had time for discussion and looking at how the wagon formed. If scum then claiming a pr and having crumbs ready is something I’d expect to happen.

halfasleep uses she/her btw <3

[Hu Tao]

I oppose an Awesomeming elimination.

I say it and leave it at that.

I trust your judgement

[Hu Tao]

This read kinda feels fake from Rational tbh

Disagree. I think he's pretty obv town. Even if he wasn't, I think most people tr him so I don't think he'd be an Elim today anyway. Thoughts on others?