TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, again, why is Alisae the one engaging with me this way and you, the one voting/suspcious of me, are not trying to sort me by figuring it out at all.

You're just shading it instead.

[Alisae]

LLD I'm an easy read.
I don't think my vote on imaginality does what you think it does but sure
VOTE: imaginality

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just dropping out of retirement to nail LLD on page one of team mafia???

This is precisely the shit I mean.

It's sort of ironic that I did this exact shit to GreyICE literally almost a decade ago and was wrong, like you're wrong now.

And I'm just trying to figure out if you're the egotistical kind of wrong or the scum kind of wrong.

[Ythan]

I'm literally explaining it, and you're literally not engaging with the explinations.

You said this and then refused to point to where lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD I'm an easy read.
I don't think my vote on imaginality does what you think it does but sure
VOTE: imaginality

I have a history with you and a recent scum game that proves you're not, but okay Ali.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm literally explaining it, and you're literally not engaging with the explinations.

You said this and then refused to point to where lol

MISS

I AM LITERALLY HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH ALISAE

"I AM EXPLAINING IT MEANS I AM IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLAINING IT AND YOU'RE IGNORING IT"

[Ythan]

Like, again, why is Alisae the one engaging with me this way and you, the one voting/suspcious of me, are not trying to sort me by figuring it out at all.

You're just shading it instead.

I'm obviously engaging with something else right now lol and I think it's something productive

[Ythan]

Like, again, why is Alisae the one engaging with me this way and you, the one voting/suspcious of me, are not trying to sort me by figuring it out at all.

You're just shading it instead.

I'm obviously engaging with something else right now lol and I think it's something productive

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm not willing to push anyone in the top 4 today, it was a mistake town made in a recent game that gave my scum team in the PYP I played a LOT of info to find a cop when we shagged the draft.

It's not worth it. We have 3 sixes at the bottom, and there's almost always a scum in that group.

VOTE: gimli

Why are you voting someone in the top 4 draft slots right now?

his number stands out to me.
Wouldn't wolves want to be high up in the draft?

You know who else wants to be high up in the draft?

Take a wild guess. Go on, take a wild guess what other faction of players would also love to be high up in the draft.

why do you think wolves picked 6?

wolves plural? I don't, or at least, if they did it's a gambit and I'm happy to call the bluff killing there day 1 and leaving it on the table

Wolf singular? Because in this game where 3 numbers overlap in pick, it's pretty likely there is at least one scum in the grouping.

Number logic is a reasonable thing to use to hunt scum but 1) We're never killing anyone in the top 4 today and 2) Picking a solo number is hard to examine by number logic without other flipped wolves to see wolf bidding strategy, unlike triple six logic.

why do you think wolves picked 6?

wolves plural? I don't, or at least, if they did it's a gambit and I'm happy to call the bluff killing there day 1 and leaving it on the table

Wolf singular? Because in this game where 3 numbers overlap in pick, it's pretty likely there is at least one scum in the grouping.

so like, what is this based on?

History of this game, statistics, number picking logic...

it's not 100% but nothing is, but it's significantly increased.

why do you think wolves picked 6?

wolves plural? I don't, or at least, if they did it's a gambit and I'm happy to call the bluff killing there day 1 and leaving it on the table

Wolf singular? Because in this game where 3 numbers overlap in pick, it's pretty likely there is at least one scum in the grouping.

so like, what is this based on?

History of this game, statistics, number picking logic...

it's not 100% but nothing is, but it's significantly increased.

I don't get it

okay, so do you know why my team was able to predict that we should never pick 6?

Because 6 is the single most picked number in PYP history. The literal last game of this that was run I was scum in even included multiple people on 6s.

When 3 players end up on the same number, and that number is famously known for being highly picked, it's very likely there is one scum in the list if not 2 doing a scum gambit that has HAPPENED IN TEAM MAFIA BEFORE (Faraday and Hoopla did it).

Even from a statistical model, 3 people picking the same number contains scum a large percent of the time.

And finally, killing on the bottom end of the draft pool reduces scum's opportunity to learn our roles by pressuring our top end, forcing a clam and backing off and then forcing another claim, a strategy I employed as scum literally 2 months ago when I last played this game as scum and nearly won.

So why would wolves want to opt for 6?

if 2 wolves, they're gambiting that there isn't more than 1 wolf in a pile when wolves get to group draft together, which can bring wolves to endgame.

If 1 wolf, they're either: a)on a team that is somehow unaware of this historical fact b) part of a scumteam that is spreading out in a specific way or c) expecting others to be aware of this history and avoid 6, given meta.

[Ythan]

Just dropping out of retirement to nail LLD on page one of team mafia???

This is precisely the shit I mean.

It's sort of ironic that I did this exact shit to GreyICE literally almost a decade ago and was wrong, like you're wrong now.

And I'm just trying to figure out if you're the egotistical kind of wrong or the scum kind of wrong.

Yes reference a game from a decade I wasn't in lol

[Ythan]

I'm literally explaining it, and you're literally not engaging with the explinations.

You said this and then refused to point to where lol

MISS

I AM LITERALLY HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH ALISAE

"I AM EXPLAINING IT MEANS I AM IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLAINING IT AND YOU'RE IGNORING IT"

It would be so easy to answer my question then.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is a really aggressive opening if lady is scum. Feeling kinda townie to me with the excited theory. I should sleep but I do love reading game openings that are moving this fast.

this is null for me, don't town read me for this

I'm literally executing understood and practiced game theory for this game there's nothing here that scum me doesn't do.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm literally explaining it, and you're literally not engaging with the explinations.

You said this and then refused to point to where lol

MISS

I AM LITERALLY HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH ALISAE

"I AM EXPLAINING IT MEANS I AM IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLAINING IT AND YOU'RE IGNORING IT"

It would be so easy to answer my question then.

Just fucking did you self righteous bfsdhuajkl;

fuck you're legitimately trying to tilt me on purpose, aren't you

[Ythan]

@58 those aren't explanations except 31 which was after my post.

[Alisae]

LLD I'm an easy read.
I don't think my vote on imaginality does what you think it does but sure
VOTE: imaginality

I have a history with you and a recent scum game that proves you're not, but okay Ali.

there are things about my towngame I just can't fake if you know what to look for.
I think this is something you believe but I think you make reading me harder than it actually is. I feel like reading me is pretty simple, and that doesn't change because I can play wolf.

Idunno do you wanna look at meta? I feel like in my own play I'm easy to read but that's probably because I know myself well and what I can/cannot fake.

[Rad]

This is a really aggressive opening if lady is scum. Feeling kinda townie to me with the excited theory. I should sleep but I do love reading game openings that are moving this fast.

this is null for me, don't town read me for this

I'm literally executing understood and practiced game theory for this game there's nothing here that scum me doesn't do.

Do you have a game you can link to that you opened this emotionally aggressively as scum?

[Ythan]

If I didn't think you were flailing scum I would be offended you accused me of trying to tilt you. I think you know better than that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@58 those aren't explanations except 31 which was after my post.

After your post and BEFORE MINE Ythan.

And they ARE explinations. They require you to do a little research of the OPEN GAME TYPE and its history, but if you ASKED ME FOR THAT maybe I'd have done that work for you instead of having this stupid fight where I literally just want to fucking tell you to fuck off

[Alisae]

Raise of hands who went through all of the PyP games and looked at what people historically picked.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I didn't think you were flailing scum I would be offended you accused me of trying to tilt you. I think you know better than that.

be offended then, I don't care, you're literally doing some stupid shit and talking past me on purpose to wind me up.

I'm not remotely flailing. I literally entered the day championing this logic, nothing has changed with your take on it. I'm poking at your lack of interaction with the logic itself.

[Ythan]

You just through out a bunch of buzz words and then called it an explanation. Sorry I didn't ask you to explain but that's irrelevant to what you are doing that is suspicious.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Raise of hands who went through all of the PyP games and looked at what people historically picked.

I did, but I also did that work TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN I ROLLED SCUM IN THIS GAME TYPE

[Ythan]

Threw? Threw.

[Ythan]

@58 those aren't explanations except 31 which was after my post.

After your post and BEFORE MINE Ythan.

And they ARE explinations. They require you to do a little research of the OPEN GAME TYPE and its history, but if you ASKED ME FOR THAT maybe I'd have done that work for you instead of having this stupid fight where I literally just want to fucking tell you to fuck off

Idk why you're being hyper aggressive but like I'm not so we can chill if you would prefer that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You just through out a bunch of buzz words and then called it an explanation. Sorry I didn't ask you to explain but that's irrelevant to what you are doing that is suspicious.

It's only suspicious if it's false, which it isn't.

If it's real it's me shorthanding something that people should be able to PROVABLY LEARN THEMSELVES and trying to explain it without having to clog the thread with STATISTIAL THEORY