Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[innocentvillager]

ok thanks

[Datisi]

iv, can you give me your opinion of the conversations happening on the first 2 pages, this is of utmost importance

[Save The Dragons]

yw

[innocentvillager]

iv, can you give me your opinion of the conversations happening on the first 2 pages, this is of utmost importance

I haven’t read it yet

I saw my name a few times that’s a lot given that I hadn’t said anything yet

[Datisi]

go and read it, it takes like 5 minutes jfc

[T3]

Votecount:

• innocentvillager (2): Save The Dragons, Datisi
  Datisi (2): innocentvillager, Faker
  NorwegianboyEE (1): GeorgeBailey

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).

[Faker]

I am currently voting you. I find the interlocking intriguing and definitely scummy, but I am a big fan of the Socratic method.

sorry, wasn't sure if the vote was rvs or srs.

intriguing and scummy is an interesting combination.

do you think it's likely that i rolled scum, and decided to start seriously getting out of innocentvillager's impending scumread on me on page one, and in that fashion?

It turned serious with the specificity of 18.

I don't know how much outside mafia you have played, but it is extremely typical of most websites to attempt to read people you are familiar with by pressuring them right off the bat, as well as "front run" people you are familiar with as mafia to get ahead of potential scumreads. In Post #18, your selfconcern with innocentvillager's perception of you, rather than waiting to see what happened, pointed to the "front run" theory. This does not mean a master plan but a vague idea of just starting the dance on your own terms.

Let me pose a different question to you: Is my suspicion of this duality unclear or outright unreasonable from your perspective?

I chose to bold your question because it feels as though you are trying to phrase the question to get me to commit to more than I could ever give as either alignment, or trying to dissuade me by being dogged. I don't know you personally, nor innocentvillager. Despite starting on the right foot with "do you believe?", everything about the question doesn't seem interested in the fact that I have made what I found conflicting clear & why it was scummy to me. The diction is much more applying force in the vein of "I don't do this and you better admit it" rather than "That's reasonable for page 1 but you're wrong"

[Faker]

How much mafia have you played, Datisi? The date given for joining is 2019 but I'm wondering if you have experience that predates it.

[innocentvillager]

go and read it, it takes like 5 minutes jfc

this is the Datisi I missed while on hiatus

[innocentvillager]

<3

[Faker]

I agree with Datisi that the first page is not a difficult or lengthy read!

[Datisi]

why the fuck did you not read it yet, iv, where's a 5 page analysis

<3

(faker, i'll get to you in a minute)

[innocentvillager]

I agree with Datisi that the first page is not a difficult or lengthy read!

thanks it’s making it less daunting by the second

[Save The Dragons]

i believe in you iv

[Faker]

I am very wary of protracting out the conversation. To be blunt, even if I am biased I feel my point is very reasonable and intuitive, if not before than with 57 as a very explicit roadmap. It is not intended to be a mathematical proof to be either proven beyond doubt or dismissed as worthless if it cannot be. If you think it is flatly unreasonable for me to hold it, or that I am scum for doing so, we can switch the topic to that, but I have little interest in the idea that I

might

be wrong, as this is not new, and my initial take is not the only one important to the game.

[innocentvillager]

yes. part of it is in jest, because i know innocentvillager will match into anything he can to call me scum early (he's a treasure), part of it I s serious as i am not in the mood to listen to arguments about how i'm scum because i offered to help someone.

would you like to declare a scumread on me because of being concerned about my own image?

this feels NAI to me

Datisi will probably become more readable over time I think

I don’t think I particularly care for faker’s suspicion on Datisi tho but I don’t want to discourage him from pursuing what he believes

[innocentvillager]

if I call u scum for that Datisi it’s purely as a joke I do stuff like that all the time and I know ur capable of this as either Alignment too

if ur referring to that thing I called u scum briefly for in 2207 I think that was like a more reasonable thing loll cmon I’m not that petty

[innocentvillager]

I know everyone else has an avatar, I tried to upload one but it wouldn't go so I'll try to work around the dashboard some more and figure it out.

most likely too big of an image. i can resize it for you if you want.

(the first person to call this a pocket attempt is getting slapped.)

this feels like same artery

[Faker]

As succinctly as possible: Datisi's entrance is both eager to interact with innocentvillager and simultaneously worried about innocentvillager's perception of him.

In general, I think this an easier juxtaposition to have as scum than as town, and it makes for a great vote for page 3.

[innocentvillager]

Faker, what’s your preferred alignment I see u r pretty experienced

[Faker]

Right now I prefer to be the informed minority. I like staying a step ahead. This changes frequently: at other times I am deeply fascinated by both the alignment and cooperation puzzles presented to the uninformed majority.

[Datisi]

i wasn't planning on commenting on this yet in detail, since i kind of wanted to see iv's response first, but considering that george already revealed part of it in 37, and on second thought, i don't think iv as either alignment lies about this here considering this stuff is objectively checkable on the forum, so:

In Post #18, your selfconcern with innocentvillager's perception of you, rather than waiting to see what happened, pointed to the "front run" theory.

i didn't have to wait to see, because i knew exactly what was going to happen - iv was going to call me scum, literally no matter my introduction. that's how we open every game at this point. he tends to get very paranoid of me early on, i tend to scumread him early on until he steps on the gas, so we start getting those early scumreads out as soon as the game starts, as by now they've become a meme between us.

Let me pose a different question to you: Is my suspicion of this duality unclear or outright unreasonable from your perspective?

no, i don't think it's unreasonable. i'm used to hearing "datisi's tone / jokey-ness / self-awareness / friendliness is scummy!" reads. without diving into self-meta, i'll just say i get them a lot with either colour of the role pm.

what i was trying to figure out however was whether you're actually thinking about what you're saying or if you're scum pushing a townie that's making a somewhat scummy play. because sure, the "scum is more likely to be self-conscious" read is maybe correct, on the surface. and you're right in saying that when people roll scum with friends, they're likely to try to front run. what i was looking for were deeper thoughts on my play, because while i can see my posts looking like it on first glance, do you think i believe that "lol iv will scumread me anyway" is likely to genuinely win me any favours?

that said, i somewhat like the last paragraph of 57. i can see the way that my question feels leading to someone who has zero experience with this playerlist, and 65 seems like it cares about the game's overall productivity.

How much mafia have you played, Datisi? The date given for joining is 2019 but I'm wondering if you have experience that predates it.

all my completed forum games are on my wiki, and before this site i had some 3 years of town of salem experience.

[Datisi]

if I call u scum for that Datisi it’s purely as a joke I do stuff like that all the time and I know ur capable of this as either Alignment too

if ur referring to that thing I called u scum briefly for in 2207 I think that was like a more reasonable thing loll cmon I’m not that petty

i *know* it's a joke

i wasn't referring to anything specific (was more @ your general hurr durr never townread datisi stuff), what are you even talking about from 2207? (like, i genuinely don't remember.) also i don't think you ever called me scum for offering to help someone, how's this relevant?

[Datisi]

i am slightly annoyed because what i want to say is "if i were to roll scum against iv, i would 1000% be worried about his perception of me because that fucker knows how scum!me breathes, but my early on 'worry' about iv scumreading me is genuinely nai and i would do it as either alignment because it's a meme between us that we always scumread each other early"

but that both (1) makes me look more worried about the game's perception of me (and i guess not everyone subscribes to my thinking of "town gets worried about their image too") and (2) makes it seem like i'm pocketing iv even more by saying i would be worried about town!him as scum

mafia is difficult