Micro 442: Twin Trap Game Over

[Aronis]

VOTE: Grib

I dunno guys, I think that Grib fellow is pretty shifty. Lurking in the shadows and shit.

Do explain how this vote is protown.

[Zymf]

That's a lie.

No it's not

[Zymf]

Why would town self-vote? Why would scum self-vote?

A townie wouldn't vote for one self. No matter what way you look at it, it would be anti-town.

Scum would self-vote if they are stupid and think that they can trick the townies into thinking they are "not affraid of dying".

[Grib]

VOTE: Grib

I dunno guys, I think that Grib fellow is pretty shifty. Lurking in the shadows and shit.

Do explain how this vote is protown.

Reactions. Obviously.

That's a lie.

No it's not

Yes it is. I am town, and I am self-voting. I don't intend to get myself lynched -- that's the point where it stops being town-motivated, regardless of alignment.

Why would town self-vote? Why would scum self-vote?

A townie wouldn't vote for one self. No matter what way you look at it, it would be anti-town.

Scum would self-vote if they are stupid and think that they can trick the townies into thinking they are "not affraid of dying".

Wrong again. You've never played with townies whose meta includes self-voting.

Am I antitown town or stupid scum? Pick one.

[Lalendra]

As town, you're voting for literally the only person in the game who you know isn't scum (yourself). Sort of the definition of anti-town.

VOTE: Grib

[Grib]

Does it make me scum, though?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zymf

[Grib]

I have a question.

Why did everyone ignore my self-vote until Aronis pointed it out?

[Grib]

Actually,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra

for ignoring me and then hopping on my wagon.

[Zymf]

Wow.. you really jump around a lot O.o First yourself, then me and now Lalendra

Why did everyone ignore my self-vote until Aronis pointed it out?

Because that happened to be when I read the thread and noticed it.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.02

Grib - 2 - Aronis, Lalendra
Aronis - 1 - Kaboose
benice - 1 - BBmolla
Flubbernugget - 1 - Fresh
Fresh - 1 - Zymf
Kaboose - 1 - benice
Lalendra - 1 - Grib
Zymf - 1 - Flubbernugget

Not Voting: ...

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-02-22 13:45:00)

[Grib]

You posted four times afterwards and didn't notice?

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I voted you for 52, where it looked like you were calling me scum but didn't vote me.

[Zymf]

My vote allready rests on Flubbernugget, that's why.

I might change it you though, at some point ^^

[Grib]

You didn't answer the question.

[Grib]

Nice lowkey threat, though. You'll have to try harder.

[Grib]

Aronis, do I have a completed game with you? Or was I ever in a game you modded?

[Grib]

My vote allready rests on Flubbernugget, that's why.

I might change it you though, at some point ^^

Also, you're still voting Fresh.

[Fresh]

Ok the self vote thing seems dumb. I don't like the reaction test thing as an excuse but it could be easy for both people voting Grib to do it as a safe excuse.

In my games on this site so far I've learned that the reaction test tends not to work out well at all and it comes off very anti-town like. Seems to be the sentiment here.

My vote allready rests on Flubbernugget, that's why.

I might change it you though, at some point ^^

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Zymf

Because even with a vote count posted above him he doesn't know who he's voting for.

[Grib]

In my experience, self-voting attracts two kinds of voters: townies who switch their brains off when they perceive something to be 100% antitown, and scum who think they can hop on an easy wagon.

It was worth a shot.

[Grib]

Guess I'll just chalk it up to differences in site meta.

[Fresh]

Well I think its both. It is an easy wagon for scum to hop on but I think self voting is 100% antitown in general. It doesn't mean you are anti-town for sure but its an anti-town thing to do. If town didn't do anti-town things then we wouldn't have mislynches.

[Grib]

I really don't think self-voting is all that antitown, especially on D1 during pseudo-RVS. Eh.

Why does Zymf forgetting his vote make him scum?

[Zymf]

I missread the vote count.. It was flubbernugget who voted on me

[Fresh]

I missread the vote count.. It was flubbernugget who voted on me

Which is still not a good reason for not knowing who

you

were voting.

[Fresh]

I really don't think self-voting is all that antitown, especially on D1 during pseudo-RVS. Eh.

Why does Zymf forgetting his vote make him scum?

I've seen more 'lack of attention' on this site be purposeful so I'm spotting it early. It actually cost me my last game cuz Flubber lured me into a trap.

[Lalendra]

I have a question.

Why did everyone ignore my self-vote until Aronis pointed it out?

Actually,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra

for ignoring me and then hopping on my wagon.

I ignored it at first because my gut reaction was "ah ha, self-vote in RVS, cheeky and cute." When Aronis seemed pretty convinced that it was not a protown move, I decided to do a bit more digging, as I am fairly new to mafia and always intrigued by the opinions of more experienced players. It turns out that the general consensus of self-voting is that it is not, in fact, a good reaction test, or even a good RVS move, since (as I pointed out) you are literally voting for the ONLY player in the game of whose alignment you can be sure. It is scummy (at worst) or anti-town (at best), which is why I placed my vote on you at that time. That being said, I feel that it is a weak tell (bad play =/= scummy play), so I am willing to change my vote if/when someone else does something that pings my scumdar harder.