Mini 858 - Dexter Season One (Game Over)

[Konowa]

I really see no reason why Budja should name claim just yet. The miller claim is null, to me at least. I fail to see the pro-town reason behind asking for a name claim.

[Sotty7]

Why do you think it is pro town?

[Sotty7]

Oh I misread, sorry. Here is my last experience with a miller.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11656

Name claim will help me figure out if we should be lynching this guy on the spot or not.

[Konowa]

I do not think it is pro-town. That is why I am trying to figure out why you are asking for a name claim. As we have already seen from charter, roles might be tied to the characters in a way that scum might be able to determine what abilities, if any, a player has.

[Konowa]

I really need to preview more.

I was also killed N0 in that game Sotty, so I can understand your uncertainty regarding the miller claim. However, I believe my point still stands.

[Sotty7]

What do you think about charters name claim? Do you think he is scummy for having offered it so easily? Do you think it is believable?

I will say that Vi is the back mod (possible set up reviewer too?) and she did have a Miller in her Vi Pod game. Not sure if that should add to my thought process here. It becomes out guess the mod slightly. Also Juls has experience as being a miller. These things combined with the flavor make me want to believe Budja, but I am not willing to rule him town at this point.

Personally I want a name claim, but if the rest of the town doesn't agree I will drop it.

Preview edit: Oh yeah, I forgot you where in that game too Konowa. Silly Ckool

[Konowa]

As long as charter does not start to play only to his post restriction, I have no problem with his name claiming like he did. I do not know why charter name claimed other than to prove his post restriction I suppose. Then, with your offering of Vince's character and charter's subsequent confirmation, I am pretty certain that charter is not faking the post restriction. I do not really find him scummy for doing it either.

I am not ruling Budja as town yet either mind you. I just do not believe that a name claim is the best way to go about determining whether or not he is town.

[SocioPath]

Millers should be treated as any other player, lynch them if they are scummy, simple as that.
Triple D already said something to that effect.

As far as name claims, I think this game, being based around a finite number of characters, can go either one of two ways:

Either scum is mixed with the big name roles (e.g. someone like Angel being scum)

Or theme is set as scum have scum roles, and have safe claims (e.g. Ice Truck Killer being scum, and claiming Angel)

[Artem]

@Konowa: If a name claim allows mafia to figure out the player's abilities, then how why are you not pursuing Chamber for asking about the abilities directly?

[charter]

I am not liking Konowa so far.

[Konowa]

Although it is something I am keeping my eye on at the moment Artem, how blatant chamber is going about it does not strike me as something scum would do.

Sotty asking for a name claim, before we saw that the possibility of roles being tied to characters, seemed more like a scum move to me.

[SocioPath]

Sotty asking for a name claim, before we saw that the possibility of roles being tied to characters, seemed more like a scum move to me.

That seems off.

[charter]

I agree. SP, 60 makes me not like Konowa more.

[Sotty7]

Sotty asking for a name claim, before we saw that the possibility of roles being tied to characters, seemed more like a scum move to me.

Can you explain why it's more of a scum move than a town one? I don't see what you are driving at.

[Konowa]

After you showed that you have knowledge of the characters in the show, the name claim read like a more subtle way of fishing for possible abilities. Beyond that, I failed to see any pro-town reason for asking for a name claim.

[Jebus]

Well crap, three pages right off the bat. Which means I'm behind right off the bat. brb...

[Juls]

Vote Count

AlmasterGM

( )

Artem

( )

Budja

( )

chamber

(Budja, Cyberbob, charter)

charter

(chamber)

Cyberbob

( )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( )

Jebus

( )

Konowa

( )

Locke Lamora

( )

SocioPath

( )

Sotty7

( )

Not Voting :

AlmasterGM, Artem, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Jebus, Konowa, Locke Lamora, SocioPath, Sotty7

Deadline :

November 4

[chamber]

What do you guys think about using an unofficial voting system so that we don't quick lynch by mistake?
example:

Unvote

fos charter

[charter]

I think it funny you suggest it when you're the one getting votes. I vote no.

[chamber]

I think it funny you suggest it when you're the one getting votes. I vote no.

You're right, I don't want to get quick lynched! How scummy of me!

[charter]

I still say no. Voting is crucial in finding scum.

[chamber]

I still say no. Voting is crucial in finding scum.

We treat it like voting internally and avoid the danger of a non majority lynch.

[AlmasterGM]

Hi everyone. A few thoughts:

1) Miller claim doesn't really mean anything. Don't see why people are making a big deal out of it. Never played with any, though.
2) charter's claim seems a bit sketch and convenient. How is he supposed to defend himself against any substantive case? All he can do is point out one-liners and wait for someone else to do something.
3) chamber's first vote is a bit off. So is the rolefish. Not liking it.
4) I don't get what people don't like about Konowa.
5) The proxy-voting idea is dumb. Guaranteed some people will just abuse it and not follow through even if an agreement is made, and it'll result in negative points for the town.

Would vote chamber, but going to hold for now because of rule 3.

[chamber]

Although not ideal I think my suggestion is much better than what we have to deal with right now.

[Budja]

I guess revealing my role name can't hurt, and it may help you believe me as the character is a good miller role.
I am Neil Perry, the guy who pretended to be the "ice-truck killer".

Charters PR doesn't entirely fit Masuka, but I believe him, at least for now.