In post 4919, Clumsy wrote:Why would you flip your strong all-game town read on Frogger with a "please"?
Because Pine said this and I was sorta nodding along with this for awhile but they seemed to act like really confident town so I shrugged it off as Frogger just playing their towngame cuz no one believed me:
In post 1127, Pine wrote:I don't see scum coming up with a out-of-the-blue hard TR on Ramcius right now. There's no benefit.
Consider the following from Scum!PV's perspective:
-If you think that Ram is Town, why use your clout to help him? Let him soak a mislynch. Put him in your null reads to avoid suspicion, maybe on the null-Town side if you really want to fish for Towncred should he flip Town.
-If you think Ram is opposing scum, you definitely don't go out on a limb for him. You push for his lynch.
-If you think he's null, just toss him in with the rest.
What does Pine talking about PV have to do with you on Frogger?
I'm using what Pine said and applying it to Frogger. Frogger thought Ram/Clums could be apposing scum (assuming Frogger is scum in this case), so Frogger pushed you really hard. He also whined and complained a lot when your wagon was getting derailed by resistance.
It was moreso I thought I could be overthinking Frogger since I was alone on it. Occam's Razor. Simple is best, no?
So what you're saying is that you were thinking Frogger was scum, but kept them as a strong town read because it didn't jive with anyone else? What? Am I misunderstanding something here?
In post 4919, Clumsy wrote:Why would you flip your strong all-game town read on Frogger with a "please"?
Because Pine said this and I was sorta nodding along with this for awhile but they seemed to act like really confident town so I shrugged it off as Frogger just playing their towngame cuz no one believed me:
In post 1127, Pine wrote:I don't see scum coming up with a out-of-the-blue hard TR on Ramcius right now. There's no benefit.
Consider the following from Scum!PV's perspective:
-If you think that Ram is Town, why use your clout to help him? Let him soak a mislynch. Put him in your null reads to avoid suspicion, maybe on the null-Town side if you really want to fish for Towncred should he flip Town.
-If you think Ram is opposing scum, you definitely don't go out on a limb for him. You push for his lynch.
-If you think he's null, just toss him in with the rest.
What does Pine talking about PV have to do with you on Frogger?
I'm using what Pine said and applying it to Frogger. Frogger thought Ram/Clums could be apposing scum (assuming Frogger is scum in this case), so Frogger pushed you really hard. He also whined and complained a lot when your wagon was getting derailed by resistance.
It was moreso I thought I could be overthinking Frogger since I was alone on it. Occam's Razor. Simple is best, no?
So what you're saying is that you were thinking Frogger was scum, but kept them as a strong town read because it didn't jive with anyone else? What? Am I misunderstanding something here?
It was moreso I thought I could be overthinking Frogger since I was alone on it. Occam's Razor. Simple is best, no?
Okay, I knew I had to be misunderstanding something there, lol. Where were you first suspecting Frogger? When did you give up on that thought because of Occam's?
This was around the time Frogger was complaining about the resistance towards your wagon.
In post 2008, Alisae wrote:Trans I really wanted to TR Froggy, but fruit for thought:
Froggy is on the other scumteam trying to push for Clum's lynch who they genuinely believe is scum.
In post 2013, Transcend wrote:tbh Froggy was in a shit slot, but when I saw Froggy joined the game I didn't know who he replaced and I thought he was town right off the bat. His push on Clumsy is 100% because he scumreads him, regardless of alignment. I think you have a good point, but I think this fella's town.
The trans post made me give it up because I sorta felt like Trans was telling me here that I'm overthinking.
In post 4804, ConManMick wrote:Hey guys,
So the reason I stopped posting last night is I tried to reply to one of Jae's questions and I accidentally PM'd him instead of using the quote function, so I stopped posting pending a decision from Inspectorscout on whether or not I'd have to be replaced. He is OK with me just reposting the PM in game thread so here it is:
JaeReed wrote:-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony (Day 2)
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:16 am
From: ConManMick
To: JaeReed
Man I've said all this in the last few posts. I don't like the play with Transcend. I don't like the meta nonsense. I get a bad vibe. I want to lynch this. Please read what I'm actually saying so I don't repeat myself.
I assume this was meant to be in the game thread.
Apologies etc. Will catch up shortly.
I CAN POST AGAIN!!!!
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
catching up on the bullshit pages since I slept, responding to w/e then gonna continue my reread after reading up cuz flips yo.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
In post 4804, ConManMick wrote:Hey guys,
So the reason I stopped posting last night is I tried to reply to one of Jae's questions and I accidentally PM'd him instead of using the quote function, so I stopped posting pending a decision from Inspectorscout on whether or not I'd have to be replaced. He is OK with me just reposting the PM in game thread so here it is:
JaeReed wrote:-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony (Day 2)
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:16 am
From: ConManMick
To: JaeReed
Man I've said all this in the last few posts. I don't like the play with Transcend. I don't like the meta nonsense. I get a bad vibe. I want to lynch this. Please read what I'm actually saying so I don't repeat myself.
My computer just restarted and I had the VCs colored from last night when I couldn't post to go over it this morning
Brand.New.Laptop. "We encountered an issue"
I lost my new notes again. I hate my life.
Back to reading up.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
I don't think Gamma even ended up with a wagon tho, just Jaack voteparking him for a ridiculously long time.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
In post 4965, gerryoat wrote:Jae can you tell me your read on transcend, based on past experience
Probably scum pocketing both you and Alisae.
I misread him in that game where I was a survivor though and my reads there were shit barring the one on you so give or take
which reminds me you said I'm from EM... I'm not lol. I started maf here, went to play some forum maf there, hated the toxicity I saw around the place (specifically it was Jeff railing on Impo that made me give up on ever liking the community), played a bit of chat maf and a bit in the games lobby with Impo and shamu :3
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
In post 4967, JaeReed wrote:which reminds me you said I'm from EM... I'm not lol. I started maf here, went to play some forum maf there, hated the toxicity I saw around the place (specifically it was Jeff railing on Impo that made me give up on ever liking the community), played a bit of chat maf and a bit in the games lobby with Impo and shamu :3
lmao yeah jefff does that. but yeah i dont really play there anymore, too much toxic. if i play i just troll games. but i meant someone else who played em
In post 489, kuror0 wrote:that was as fake as it gets. plus gerry saying yeah I am town and I'm dead mod will do my flip next post right after the vc is... I think Gerry is screaming too much he is town in hopes someone believes him and I'm getting the opposite effect every time.
I'm not the one who did the shot, just went along with it. And I don't really care what affect it has on you. Especially when you've done nothing all game lol
You knew it was fake but still used the situation to try to get some sort of town look, which is scummy. You used it to look better yourself and not to try to sort others alignment. And resorting to attack the player when you couldn't come right away with a justification of the accusation is just weak play.
As someone said you did imply you were town so don't try to wash your hands.
@Alisae I do think misrepresentations are AI. confusion could come from town but more often than not intentional misreps come from scum.
In post 514, gerryoat wrote:
He made it seem like i was saying "IM TOWN IM DEAD OMG." when i was just asing what they thought my flip was gonna be. i think it's a misunderstanding on your part and maybe his
Just to be clear here. after reading everything again I can tell you. No, it is not a misunderstanding from me. You did say you were killed and that mod was about to do the flip and you did also imply you were town. If you think something else of what I said was a misrep feel free to point it out, for now you earned those scum points.
In post 1024, kuror0 wrote:ok finished catching up and got some thoughts.
In post 963, Pine wrote:
Could it possibly be so easy as Mick/Manuel/Ram?
Then add me to that list cause I think along the same lines toward gerry. The player attitude is not my cup of tea but w/e we are all different and that's ok what I SR most is that he has been only taunting everyone who SRs him and nothing else. I see no single effort to discern if the slot is town or scum it is like if you SR gerry he will instantly SR back.
Transcend's posts, at least most of them look really town if not for the voice on my head that screams this is not the town transcend I've seen play he would be firmly a town read.
Alisae did ask a lot of questions but I think they were all leading nowhere so it just appears as being participative and helpful while providing nothing and I'm wary of this cause I've seen a couple of scums trying to pull that.
Pep and Ram I feel the potential of a SvT but not sure which is which. I'm not even sure if it is SvT or just 2 towns tunneling each other or what so yeah... null till I see other interactions.
Those are my most prominent reads still not so sure about all the rest but just felt like letting you guys know.
P-edit: holy crap I was up to date with post 981 so this post ignores everything that came after that.
In post 2256, kuror0 wrote:ok finally finished catching up. But for now I will just VOTE: clumsy
Many players are catching so we should have a nice end of the day, I have to sleep but tomorrow will post my list and ideas.
In post 1024, kuror0 wrote:ok finished catching up and got some thoughts.
In post 963, Pine wrote:
Could it possibly be so easy as Mick/Manuel/Ram?
Then add me to that list cause I think along the same lines toward gerry. The player attitude is not my cup of tea but w/e we are all different and that's ok what I SR most is that he has been only taunting everyone who SRs him and nothing else. I see no single effort to discern if the slot is town or scum it is like if you SR gerry he will instantly SR back.
Transcend's posts, at least most of them look really town if not for the voice on my head that screams this is not the town transcend I've seen play he would be firmly a town read.
Alisae did ask a lot of questions but I think they were all leading nowhere so it just appears as being participative and helpful while providing nothing and I'm wary of this cause I've seen a couple of scums trying to pull that.
Pep and Ram I feel the potential of a SvT but not sure which is which. I'm not even sure if it is SvT or just 2 towns tunneling each other or what so yeah... null till I see other interactions.
Those are my most prominent reads still not so sure about all the rest but just felt like letting you guys know.
P-edit: holy crap I was up to date with post 981 so this post ignores everything that came after that.
Sadly I mentioned you but on the surface. The fact still holds 1250 posts later. You look participative and ask a lot of questions but they aim at nothing all, they are all dead ends or pointless. It is just to make you look like helping when you don't. Your constant sheeping attitude, the amount of shitposting that swamp the thread. The gracious attitude towards those that had been leading the wagons to get on their good side.
Those are the things at the top of my mind. out for lunch.
In post 2502, kuror0 wrote:I'm not sure about yoshi my read there is not worthy. He has been pushing me on the side like a scum would but then I've seen so little of him I feel it is the same rushed judgment I'm trying to avoid on other slots. Plus I really think this is your team effort to derail your lynch. I mean your wagon just started growing and derailed fast as fuck towards yoshi with 1 simple post which was:
I think if people who are SRing me should look towards Yoshi, I think if you're SRing me he might look a bit worse.
pedit: stawwp, at the rate we're going we might as well just have Clums tell us. Let's remember scum have daytalk.
Where you basically say that you are aware you have been playing scummy but yoshi looks worse and then BANG people jumping on yoshi. (When I get time I will check who moved from your wagon to yoshi just for fun and giggles) You were aware you were acting scummy but you didn't stop those actions so it was intentional and not town motivated all your actions.
p-edit:
Side note I still like more a clumsy's partner claim. I don't want to have things on the loose and tbh I see little drawbacks from the claim. You are scared you are gonna get killed? think you 2 will be the first targets to be protected and that mafia has to deal with the uncertain of that or that both shot the same one etc I don't understand why so scared to claim mason partner when 1 was outed.
more p-edit: Some people say it is simple to find clumsy partner looking at the iso, that's great I must admit I haven't checked and at this point got no clue who the partner is, but then again if it is so easy to find or a couple of players already found it why hide? Probably some scum already did, so?
In post 2601, kuror0 wrote:Is it my imagination or is this going to tun in a role fish fest? Why don't we just lynch Alisae? I've seen many people either scumread or doubt her alignment yet no one wants to go there. Talk about wagon resistance.
In post 2690, Alisae wrote:I catched up and there's nothing I want to respond to besides the following:
Trans, if you scumread my slot you should be scumreading Yoshi's slot because Yoshi has been acting a lot like I have this game but only with a lowered amount of shitposting.
Kuror0, it's not that I'm aware of how scummy I am, it's moreso "Hey, if you scumread my slot, look at the Yoshi slot, because they have been doing a lot of things that you scumread me for doing" Period.
Also, this is the 4th time that you have been asked: What is your read on Yoshi. If you don't answer I will powerwagon you after Yoshi. Becuase qutie frankly to me you are coming off as avoiding the question, and I am tired of it. Not to mention I asked you 3 times now, and Frogger once. You never answered the question.
Garry I'm going to look for that has been giving me this wierd feelings about you and going to do that Yoshi case in a bit.
pedit: 12 posts while I was writing this one. WOW. Just wow.
First off I was totally expecting this. Scum play so hard, yet your partners protect you pushing another wagon and town is too dumb to notice. So anyways that why I asked if you were SR yoshi or just sheeping. You said SR and that you would make a case. Now, that wasn't more than 5 pages apart since I quoted you saying "If you scumread me you should look at yoshi he is worst." which means if you scumread him you knew your actions were scummy by the EXACT same reasons you scum read him yet you were still doing them on purpose which means scum motivation.
If you don't know my stance towards yoshi and as garry can't read for shit then that's not my problem. Already said what I think about him but why I was not pushing harder for him. I have a way stronger read and I know I caught scum on you so it is a matter of time for people to realize it even if yoshi lynch comes first. I have no problem lynching him first then you but I would rather lynch you first because it is my read and I feel confident about it.
In post 2730, Alisae wrote:Oh? So is it scummy to direct the pressure you're giving me onto someone else? You're basicly giving me the spotlight in your eyes so I figured wynaut. Hell cause I had a wagon on me, I had the spotlight, so I used that as an advantage to attempt to start a push on my own scumread.
Because it's not my obligation to change my behavoir to avoid people form percieving me from looking scummy. I don't care if you think I am town if you think I am scum, it is my duty to lynch scum and explain why they are scum. Not prove why I am town.
Also sorry I just missed the post where you gave the Yoshi read. And let's just say I don't buy a single word of it. Because to me it looks like you're just being lazy instead of attempting to give me a read on him (which is what I asked for) and why. If you haven't seen much from him, then you should ISO dive him.
Not to mention you use the term team to describe how my lynch got derailed, and that right there is a pre-flip association.
pedit: FOR FUCK SAKE 9 MORE POST AND I'M GETTING TO IT GARRY!
Please I don't remember you ever calling yoshi scum before that point. (If you did provide me some proof so I will shut up) You used him as scape goat and your wagon quickly changed direction all was way too coordinated and convenient. Plus you said he is scum because he is acting like you do, so...
Accusing of pre flip association when I've never mentioned 1 player and before you jump on that I'm not as retarded to believe everyone voting yoshi would be on your scumteam. Btw hypocrisy again to fit your needs because you sasid you would push hard for me after yoshi flips scum. Isn't that exactly pre flip association?
Tired of dealing with you so I will just wait till the rest of the town to pick it up eventually.
In post 2795, kuror0 wrote:are you guys going in circles? Cuz it feels like gerry just wants to deflect and and you guys try to show the point and he deflects all over again. Why do I feel familiar with that... ah right alisae is doing the same. Hopefully we can agree on some lynch before page 150 and those who were catching up eventually finish.
In post 2915, kuror0 wrote:cmon... The poor replacement will have to take 110 pages on D1. Can't we just agree on someone?
In post 3169, kuror0 wrote:Well manny I like your scum team But I had in mind fro9, alisae and mby gerry or not sure yet. But seriously fuck this much spam.
VOTE: Yoshi
that's L-1 let him claim if any and finish this day.
In post 3261, kuror0 wrote:Weird as fuck role honestly. But if in this set up it was specified something like not normal roles were possible I could believe in it. If the mod said it will be a full normal game then I don't believe it and I'm up for his lynch. Now looking for a way to confirm any of the 2 options.
In post 3299, kuror0 wrote:I'm not scumreading people for saying there are 2 maf teams I just assumed it was a confirmation from so many people saying it which would include towns and scum so it was a pointless clue but was a confirmation of 2 scum parties for me being an ignorant on this type of set up. I said it in your game I'm not good with set up speculation and role use so I went safe and if there is a chance a role like that could happen then I believe it if it was out of the rules or somewhere a clause that said it couldn't happen then I wouldn't believe simple cuz I'm simple like that.
VOTE: Alisa
My strongest scum read the best lynch I can think of because I saw people react on the wagon forming. I counted roughly 5 people hard scumreading her 2 who had her as town then scum then again town stance. and a couple others can't remember or wasn't in the game actively. Don't take my word on this but I was sure fro9 had her as scum and mby even voted her but when the wagon grew he derailed to focus on yoshi and then on his last list he wasn't even on his scum suspects that's why I paired them together on a recent post. (Again take this with a heavy grain of salt because I can't remember properly and I'm tired so I can't bother to check right now but will do tomorrow)
In post 3358, Fro99er wrote:I can't read kuror either. Anyone have any thoughts there?
I SR him
haven't said why. not even once. Or did I miss it?
I believe I have, but I can say why I do again.
I mostly SR you because I don't feel as if you're putting all of your effort into pushing me.
Like I think your SR on me is fabricated.
Also I don't remember if you saw 2751
I did put my effort showing why I consider you scum posted my reason and analyzed how your wagon quickly derailed for some stupid reason quite fast. I did saw your post but it is stupid to think I have to "make you look scummier" it is not my job to make you look worse it is my job to point out to others why I scumread you, not forge things or misrep you to look worse. It is also stupid to 1v1 you. I engaged enough to be as sure as I can that you are scum and there is no gain for me to tunnel you harder or keep hitting a wall when others don't want to go for you. I will continue to push for your lynch as much as I can but that's all I can do while I'm sure you got partners so a wagon growing on me is way easier but like I am sure you are scum I'm using the time instead of tunneling getting other reads and looking for connections.
In post 3404, Alisae wrote:But a 1v1 is fun ;~;
I wasn't asking you to misrep me or forge me. Hell that makes you look worse if you do decide to do that. What do you think Frogger has been doing? He's been trying to convince people to hop on wagons this whole time on people he wants lynched. I don't see that coming from you.
And who said the gain was for you? By tunneling me and attempting to make me look worse, you're convincing the town that I am scum. Are you not?
If you didn't ask to forge or misrep why use "make me look scummier"? I did point out what I found scummy on your slot and even you said you used it to throw the attention to yoshi (which means you did feel the pressure), so why you weren't convinced I put effort if you just redirected my effort to other slot so easily, just one word and a couple of people instantly moved there from you.
I tunnel but on my own way. I keep pushing for my read and try to follow it as much as I can but it is dumb if I just ignore everything else, it is not like you are the only scum alive at this point to zero on you, just not my style of game.
In post 3432, kuror0 wrote:@Alisae I already said it. I had enough interaction to be as sure as I can get that you are scum and you were just deflecting so I couldn't get any more answers which I also did said openly. The thing is I know I'm not good convincing other players to follow my reads I just can't provoke the right emotion to make them sheep me(either it is my english, the way I word things, the way I compose what I write, you name it multiple flaws there) so I'm ok with just leaving those things out and at some point someone will remember and tie the dots and the lynch happens. Doesn't matter if I'm dead or alive as long as I managed to get those things out it will be on the other towns mind and at some point they will realize if my read was right and I'm ok with that. Also about that quote you posted, at that point all the focus had moved from you which means at that point you had feel my pressure(or spotlight like you called it) so it makes no sense that you now say I wasn't making an effort (you and others have noticed it) so it is a contradiction.
@Fro9 About clumsy and Yoshi votes. On clumsy I already explained it was a bit to make things move and a bit more to spark discussion. I had clumsy on a scum lean but not strong enough to be sold on his lynch but I was sure my vote wasn't that close to hammer to result in a quicklynch, also my vote wasn't explained at all after my catch up so I was expecting people to jump off that wagon as it was the perfect time after my vote if he was scum with someone soft bussing him. About yoshi my read on him was not that clear. I got frustrated after my initial trade with him because I felt he was just looking for reasons to scum read me, so I started ignoring him (and he didn't post much after that if I remember correctly) my read on him is a very weak scumlean but I'm kind of fed up with this day and no flips to re asses the reads and he wasn't on the list of players I would be against a lynch today so I gave up on the alisae lynch for today. Now that he is off it is my time to repeat hey let's lynch alisae. Walls with love from me. I have a hard time reading so many lil posts with no content so we must all be equally unhappy.
In post 4028, kuror0 wrote:Ok weekend starts for me so I don't know if I will be around a lot or not at all, but I want to make my last effort to get a scum read. VOTE: fro9
I think pep may flip scum (his play has been bad and scummy and stubborn but that also makes me doubt a scum would play this carelessly) but at the end not as sure compared to ali or fro. I will try to be around and would like to end the day soon but after the weekend to be able to asses everything and say some words before night.
@fro9 If you are careless I'm not going to tell you how to play scum, I catched some holes and I'm not revealing them until either you flip and confirm my suspicions or I feel I'm about to die so I let my thoughts out.
In post 4258, drealmerz7 wrote:can you be a little more obvious with you "this is the group of people I want to lynch today" list? it's not obvious enough for the crowd around here and I don't want to go through the effort of pushing anyone today either
I don't really want to lynch you or PV today, but i haven't poe'd you two from being a black maf.
Is this a scumslip? Why listed only black maf? You know who are the white maf then?
In post 4292, kuror0 wrote:clumsy is confirmed.
Jaack is confirmed because he probably won't get past N3 and if 3 players die on that night I would hard suspect him. (SK HAS to kill every night right?)
yoshi is pretty much conf town for me with the knowledge I have so far.
transcend has phases some good some bad can't really make my mind on him.
you seem specially inactive for the first part but as stubborn as always pretty much on the same undefined zone as transc.
alisae is scum.
fro9 is scum. If alisae filpped scum first then fro9 is definetely scum.
PV getting so many strong town reads on that slot with about 15 semi content posts on the start of D1 and nothing else strikes me as weird af.
those are the ones on the top of my head right now.
In post 4303, Transcend wrote:
Is Alisae sheeping everything alignment indicative for you? I've played with him before. He's a sheep as town. I'm sure he's one as scum. I don't think Alisae being a sheep is alignment indicative.
It is one factor. When I add all the things I've noticed together and the interactions I had, I'm as certain as I could that he is scum. I mentioned his sheeping because that makes it a little harder to discern if it was a wagon he was interested in mislynching or just random sheepping. If the one he was sheeping was a scum partner or some random player. And that's why I doesn't rule out he could be white or black mafia. I'm just sure he is mafia.
In post 4627, kuror0 wrote:as hard as it is for me I do think the chances garry is town is way higher than I initially thought. No CC about neighbor means he was the one targeted which means. a) he is town b)scum team shenanigans to clear both from yoshi. Taking everything into account the A option is way more likely. So I'm not joining garry's wagon today. maybe we could check somewhere else.
yoshi is clear. (and about his target choice I might have done the same thing. too much risk for me but I wasn't the one targeting so I believe him. plus this slot is bound to flip at some point so it is useless to chase him)
drealmz is clear.
gerry is clear for now.
clumsy is clear.
jaack is also clear.
that leaves 8 slots left for those of us who are town, of those probably 4>3 are scum so it is not such a bad chance. So let those guys alone and re evaluate your reads on the remaining players, let's see what we can get. Those with claims made can be re checked on later days and will be easier to sort those telling the truth from those who aren't so let's try to get a clearer reads on the other players.
Of the remaining lot the ones who raise more suspicion to me are: Alisae > PV, Elena > transc. I need to re check the ones replacing because I can't even remember who replaced who but zach initial catch up really striked me as town. That's it from me for now.
p-edit: this post was made ignoring everything that came after post 4602.
p-edit 2: guys stahp
In post 4656, kuror0 wrote:And there we have Alisae. Always trying to look like scumhunting or helping but not really doing it. If you don't think scum kuro had a reward for doing X that means you don't really care if the slot is scum or not, you just brought something up with no objective, once again another way for you to look busy and throw shade at the same time. You are just throwing things in the air letting others do the work and then stealing part of the credit. but I'm sure you will eventually be lynched and flip scum so 1 slot less I have to sort out.
In post 4885, kuror0 wrote:I will start it just for fun and giggles and mby I can get more accurately his partners tho the pool is quite small atm. VOTE: Alissae
inba people sort of scum reading him but not convinced on his lynch.
In post 4887, Alisae wrote:I get attention and now you vote me?
Oppertunistic as all hell.
You are obvscum Kuror0 sir.
yeah yeah then come after me. As always too much noise, no content. A couple of posts ago you were laying the foundation on your next jump, I'm opening the door so stop faking be useful and make a case on me. You had me as SR almost the whole game even when you change your mind and drop occasionals "oh mby he is town" still not devoted to chase me or leave me alone, always waiting for another target to jump so this time if you want to chase me you have to lead the hunt and actually put your thoughts out. Go for it you have the weekend till I come back to answer to your case.
In post 4858, Alisae wrote:Clums why is it scummy to hide information from the town?
Sure that information could be given to scum by outing it, but it just causes more confusion if information was kept away from other townies like us.
Scum like that confusion and would rather townies get confused and push more townies. No?
Also right now I'm trying to decide if I should hop onto Kuror0 or PV.
In post 4041, Cabd wrote:To my replacement and the rest of the town: There's zero chance that PT cop role is town. Why would a setup give town a role that hurts town PRs and doesn't even confirm scum?
Doubly so if there's any neighbors in the game.
Much better to give to a scum team; it alows them to hunt masons AND otherscum at the same time. Don't let them get away with such a scumclaim. Alisae; this means you. Stop waffling and see the light; that's not a town PR.
Also I wanna put this here and go back to it.
Let's play a game, was Cabd trying to push a mislynch because he knew that Cloudie was a nieghborizer or something else?
In post 4869, Alisae wrote:I wanna flip the following nerds:
drealmerz/Yoshi, Zach, PV.
I still do SR Kuror0 but I dunno what flipping him would exactly tell us.
pedit: Garry I'm not sure on my Frogger read currently.
What I meant when I siad Alissae was laying the foundation on his next jump. Never lead a wagon always throw things in the air and when someone pushes he just goes along.
In post 4924, kuror0 wrote:I refuse, that's the way I express myself, the only way I find to speak my thoughts. Even when my english is not that good, my punctuation sucks and the way I make the phrases is weird, it is all I can do to show my thought process and show I'm town (which I know I'm fairly bad at).
That aside you changed targets probably 4 or 5 times (mby more? don't have time to go check it now) you have been calling me scum then when some people started calling me town you said "maybe he is town" (again can't go back right now but sure as hell I can find the direct quote) and I'm sure if a wagon starts on me you will jump like you have done with everybody else. About a case on you it is on my iso. scattered on a number of posts but my thoughts and suspicions about you are not secret to anyone so don't come with that bs.
And not tunneling you doesn't mean I have changed my mind since the first time I outed my scum read on you. I'm just not dumb enough to solely tunnel on you and not try to get the other scums. If you were the last scum and I were a 3 shot vig I would shot you 3 times, but you are not the last scum so I still have lots of work and spending the whole day phase pushing just for you was a waste of time D1. Here I can see the ones who have voiced suspicion on you reactions who will disband and how your wagon derails or even better get your flip and start hunting your partners.
p-edit: ignoring everything since Alissae weird role claim.
605 Is him answering a question that was not directed towards him. Looks like he's trying to help and be useful (ISN'T WHAT HE'S SCUMREADING ME FOR????)
Also I wanna point out that around this time Manny, Mick, and Kuror0r were all attacking Garry around this point in time. This could be Kuror0 oppertunisticly trying to hop on a wagon for an early lynch.
1024 is their reason on the surface. Which sorta leads me to the point where he's attacking the questions I'm asking because he thinks they lead nowhere. But the problem with this is he's attacking the way I think. A response he may think is a dead end could help me read someone better. It's moreso attack on how I think and my playstyle.
Also anothing thing I want to note is how he mentions Pep v Ram/Clumsy to be a SvT when after Clumsy claims he doesn't hop on Pep and BOTH OF THEM ARE TOWN
2256 is him hopping on wagon oppertunisticly.
2387 is him attacking what I said in 1024. He attacks my shitposting (Which is NAI), and attacks on how I'm not helping. If I'm not helping, then what standards is he holding me to? Oh wait...
Also he's attacking me on how I'm trying to get on people's goodside, but I thought I've proven that I don't really care if people TR me or not. No?
2502 is Kuror attacking me for derailing my scumread. What is bad about putting pressure onto someone else when you're getting scumread and you're in the spotlight again? The way I see it, it's the best time to push your own scumreads. Like how I'm doing that now.
Also he attacks me on how I know I'm playing scummy but I'm not doing anything to fix it. Which seems strange to me because if I haven't fixed it, it seems like I'm moreso LYNCHBAIT then scum. I think scum would moreso want TO change how they are playing if they are getting scumread.
2601 is Kruor saying "OMGAWD I WANNA QUICKLY END THE DAY WITH A MISLYNCH!!!!!!!" Also about him complaining about resistance, which is funny because what effort has he made to push me again? OH WAIT, he said in 2748 "Tired of dealing with you so I will just wait till the rest of the town to pick it up eventually." Direct quote boyz.
2720 is him saying "Let's throw shade at the whole town" and "You're attempting to change your playstyle therefore you are scum." I see attacks on playstyle as scummy.
2748 is him saying "I'm gonna be lazy and not push you as hard." Also he says he doesn't remember me ever calling Yoshi scum, when I thought he was scum a bit after RVS ended.
2795 what is bad about deflecting again?
2915 iS OMGAWD I REALLY WANNA END THE DAY. OH wait we were all thinking this nvm.
3169 is "Let's hop off my biggest scumread and force Yoshi to L-1." Let's remember he went from "I'm going to push you super hard cuz you're confirmed scum to me" or something like that to "I'm gonna be lazy and stop pushing you" to "L-1 claim."
3261 is him saying he's down to lynch Yoshi but in the next post I show, he jumps back on me. Yep, he's "totally down to lynch Yoshi"
3299 is a hop back onto me after saying "I'm totally down to lynch Yoshi" to "Let's lynch this now." It's like he almost thought he made a mistake so he's backtracking back to his origonal push. Did I ever mention the pre-flip association of "If I'm scum then Frogger MUST be scum?" LOL.
3403 is him misrepping me by saying that I was trying to get him to misrep me. He also doesn't want to 1v1 me here, which is strange considering if I was his strongest scumread, wouldn't he want to 1v1 me? Or is he trying to play it safe cuz he might risk losing the 1v1, getting lynched, and flipping scum? Either way this comes off to me as really safe and not trying to push me with all of their ability of they truely thought I was scum.
3407 is him saying "I push my own read" but it's funny cuz of how he hopped onto the Yoshi wagon.
3432 is him saying deflecting is bad but why is it bad again? No seriously, I want to know. And he's saying he's not good enough to convince others on his reads, but it's funny because he got lazy with his push on me.
Also Kuror0 pro tip: Don't wall if you want to help convince others on reads. It's better to be concise then to wall and not have an arguement you can easily grab.
Either way, I also find it interesting that you're waiting for people to sheep you here. Also just because I feel his pressure doesn't mean he can't be putting MORE effort into his push.
4028 is suddenly he stopped pushing me and now he's pushing Frogger? What, he can't commit to one push or somethin?
Also he says how he thinks Pep may flip scum when he made no effort in persueing that read. Afterall, didn't he call Pep v Ram/Clum slot a TvS? Or was that just bullshit.
4273 is him trying to find a slip so he can push an easy lynch. Especially because that's NOT A SLIP.
4292 is more pre-flip association with me and Frogger. Also it's bullshit because if he thought my scumflip would confirm scum!frogger it would make more sense to continue pushing me instead of hopping onto Frogger.
4305 is him disregarding my sheepish playstyle as town. Also why would scum sheep their scumbuddy? That makes them obvious lmao.
4627 is him jumping to the conclusion that A. No one is going to CC and B. Yoshi and Drealmerz are both town.
4656 is him calling me useless again. More shadethrowing and discredditing of my own methods of scumhunting. Also he misreps me by saying I was talking about rewards and/or expectations, when I wasn't I was talking about goals.
4885 is "Oh look, let's oppitunistly start this wagon again since people will persue it."
4892 is him telling me to come at me (which I'm doing btw), which is funny considering he didn't want to 1v1 me yesterday but now he suddenly does???? OK. Also complete misrepresentation of my play beacuse I do have some content (remember the Jaack case I posted a long back).
4894 is him misrepresenting quotes (the 2nd one has nothing to do with my leap onto Kuror0).
And finally 4929 is basicly "I have to express myself through walls even tho my english isn't good." Wouldn't it be better to be more concise or short if there was a language barrier? That just feels strange and awkward.
But aside from that, he says I changed my targets 4 or 5 times which sorta comes off as more discredditing. So what if I switch my vote? What's your point.
He also says I'm waiting for a wagon to start on him but then I voted him and now I'm pushing him, so this sorta just comes off as completely underestimiating me cuz he thinks I can only sheep.
In post 4806, Zachstralkita wrote:Like I find boggling that the day after a ml you guys can not only push another bad lynch so quick but actually argue that it was pro town to lynch a townie
Zach wanting to derail the Gerry wagon.
Noted for when Gerry flips scum.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 4844, Alisae wrote:Why is it scummy to hide information from the town Clums?
pedit: Garry just direct me to the post lmao.
Also I'm starting to think you're town and your frustration is genuine so. UNVOTE:
Alisae is town. If Alisae is scum there's no reason to just back off of Gerry while there's an L-3 wagon on him.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
