Spoiler: part 3
In post 256, mastin2 wrote:Nacho's vote is annoying, because it's bouncing back between one scum and another scum (you and me), but for the moment, I think we have to just live with it. Nacho's a difficult mislynch, but not an impossible one, and we might need him as an option, so in spite of how good he is, how accurate he is, and how hard he pushes, we can't afford to spend a valuable nightkill on him. I'll move away if I need be, because frankly if you got enough support to be at risk of being lynched, vezok, then I as town would have (justifiable) reason to get really,reallyparanoid that I've gone horribly wrong. Until then, though, I think that keeping my vote on you SHOULD be safe, because you've got a lot of big-time players supporting you. (In particular, both heads of Sonic Boom will defend you from Nacho...and frankly, will probably lynch Nacho over you.)
In post 257, mastin2 wrote:(This is the reason why I'm not voting ika, btw. If I vote ika, ika might actually get lynched, which would be bad. ikahaddefenders, but most of them are gone or have stopped defending him since then. It'd only take one or two votes from key players to get a lethal wagon going there, and since I'm a key player in the game, I need to stay away from there at all costs if we want to keep ika alive.)
In post 258, mastin2 wrote:You know, my rant is perfectly accurate in every way, but I'm not exactly helping my case by having ACTUALLY strategically lurked as scum this game.
But it's more like me as scum taking advantage and milking an already-real situation. I would NEVER fake being depressed. I would NEVER fake being demotivated. That is INCREDIBLY unethical behavior, so all my rambles about how much not in the game I am? Basically true, except for the small lie about me reading the game because as scum I make sure to keep reading it. I got in bad mental states this game, and had to fight my way out to avoid the mislynch. Ironically, it's actually BECAUSE I was scum that I was able to get out so easily; as town, I'd probably STILL be in a funk right now.
Which is why I said what I did in-thread about the contribution. Me being in a funk for an extended period of time is not a scumtell. I may lurk strategically, but only within the realms of reason, and I snap back out in the moment I need to, where lurking stops being strategic and begins to become detrimental. (At least, I try to snap out. Don't always succeed, but I try.) As town, I'm much worse at getting out. I'm not doing so for any inherent value, and lack the proper motivation to get out; my motivation for getting out is basically purely because I owe the game an obligation as a player to actually play, which makes it difficult for me to feel like actually getting something done, thus why if it's a tell at all it'd be a minor towntell. As scum, there's that much stronger motivation of me needing to prove that, yes, I am a god-tiered scum player, whose prowess is matched only by a select few.
tl;dr: The rant is real; lurking's if anything a minor towntell and not a scumtell, because it's based off of real-life suck rather than strategy. It's just that WHEN lurking, it's more advantageous for me as scum. Which is probably why I get such a bad rap for it. The few times I use it as scum, I utterly BURN the town; the MANY times that I do it as town, I do little but inconvenience the town. So while it's something equally likely to be town or scum and for extended periods far more likely to be town than scum...regardless, it's anti-town.
And there's not much I can do about it. If I stopped using it as scum, I'm deliberately handicapping my scumplay. I never intentionally use it as town, and every time I fall into it I DO try to get out, so it's not something I can just magically make go away.
Ah, well. I suppose I'll just have to put up with it in future games, especially after people misinterpret/misrep/misread this post and similar to mean something that wasn't meant, pain as it'll be to deal with, probably (actually, near-certainly) as town.
In post 261, mastin2 wrote:Vezok, you're not alone.
ika:Deadline is near. People are policy-voting you. And frankly? If you don't show up and do stuff, I'll probably join the wagon. It'd be bad to lose another member, yes, and bussing might help ensure that, but you're literally. doing. nothing, and not voting you is becoming increasingly more contrived to justify. So if you don't do so...well, patience will run out, I'll just throw caution to the wind and bus, and not have a second thought about it, the loss be damned.
In post 265, mastin2 wrote:Those seem to be the best options.
If we get lucky, the town will derp into a Cerb lynch, though.
In post 268, mastin2 wrote:vezokpiraka kills Sonic Boom.
Yeah.
Most active, vocal conftown. Not threatening, but also not useful to our ends. (Their townread of you has gone away, and they're not exactly scumreading me as they were yet aren't townreading me, so we have no reason to not nightkill them.)
In post 269, mastin2 wrote:Vezok, you need your A-game today.
I think my hesitance is acceptable as being potentially pro-town, but it's a BIG FREAKIN HUGE risk that could easily backfire if you're lynched.
Also, if you're lynched, roleblock = conftown come in = we lose bigtime, so, etc.
In post 271, mastin2 wrote:Bluffing.
It's pretty obvious he intends to claim commute-inventor, as misdirection from me.
And, vezok, I know you're getting lynched, but I need one more dead conftown before you die. Which means I need you to live until tomorrow.
In post 273, mastin2 wrote:LC might be one of our best bets, though the idea of relying on someone who might actually be a legit town role does scare me. (I think they're just Vanilla, bluffing like the madmen they are, but I'm not absolutely sure. Town-me certainly thinks that what they're trying to do is fakeclaim town inventor as a pro-town misdirection, at least.)
In post 274, mastin2 wrote:I'm not quite sure what this is referring to, but a game of "Beat the town in POE mode" is something I've had in mindIn post 3906, Lying Cat wrote:I don't think our scum were as prepared to play that game as I was.since day one.
'Cause I'm mastina, duh. Scumhunting gooddess I may not be, but goddess of scumplay I am. This was a sequel to Organic Chemistry. I knew from the very beginning what I was getting into, especially given the parallels between Sonic defending me that game, and me defending hiplop this game. Regardless of how soon we identified the other inventors, it was always going to come down to that crucial POE. The key was to be inside the list, so my actions were designed to orchestrate myself in, and I was hoping vezok could get in. I pretty much figured ika'd be a casualty of war, so always kept him as nullscum, though admittedly I was hoping for something more than what the Macslot produced.
POEmode still makes this game difficult, but if we can score a Nacho lynch, we've gotten past one of the largest obstacles in the game. Jaqen mislynch would be another great step. From there, it's just managing to keep players from becoming truly-confirmed-town, and lynching the players who aren't. POE is a killer, yes, but not one which is impossible for me to beat. If anything, I'd consider beating the POEgame one of my scumgame's strongest points.
Will we, well, time (and more importantly, vezok) will tell. (Because if vezok dies, preeeeeeeeetty much game over right there for me. I can stall the inevitable and put up the good fight, but for me to win would require the town mislynch Nacho, PV, Jaqen, TSO, AND Lying Cat,and even thenmaybe not winning.) But it's not going to be an easy town win, not by a longshot.
In post 275, mastin2 wrote:If Lying Cat is actually a surprise!PR and claims, outting me as scum, I don't care that the result would be us losing.
I'd find the moment so drop-dead hilarious and a crowning moment of awesome for them that I'd nominate them for a Most Memorable Moment scummy.
It doesn't get much better than, in-thread, publicly trusting someone you know to be scum, only to in the critical moment, reveal it and screw them over.
...I'm hoping to god that I'm right about them and have been right about them, that their plan is just to bluff the scum and claim commute-inventor in my stead.
Because that would be awesome for us, allowing a free Cerb nightkill.
Praying to ever-loving god that they're a gambitting VT.
But I do acknowledge they could be a PR, and I would tip my hat to them, good sirs, if so. Something that I was always aware of being a possibility and took the risk. Whether it won or loss I suppose is on your hands now.
In post 276, mastin2 wrote:(Okay. Technically, wouldn't be free. The roleblock would clear another town player. Or our kill would fail, 'clearing' LC via the gambit. And even if those didn't come to pass...well, killing Cerb on the night I just so happen to be protecting LC will get LC to instantly switch their townread on me into a scumread. It probably would still work out in our favor, because said suspicion can be easily drowned out.)
In post 279, mastin2 wrote:Oh, thank god.
LC, you have NO clue how worried I was that you were actually some secret PR that was going to condemn me as scum.
This? This I can work with, though.
Yeah, I think that we can get Nacho lynched today, and from there, it's just a matter of keeping you alive. (I'll do the kill tonight on Cerb.)
In post 280, mastin2 wrote:Fun fact: I actuallydidhave an adrenaline rush this game which was disruptive at work.
...But it was euphoria at getting excited about mislynching Nacho, killing Cerb, framing LC and lynching them, killing conftown, and having a nice clean lylo.
Also, fun fact #2: Nacho is so...town. (:P)
It's almost painful to watch. He's towntelling ridiculously hard, and yet, I can't let him live. Sadface.
In post 282, mastin2 wrote:And I feelextraordinarilybad about Lying Cat right now.
This is a violation of trust on so many levels, unless they actually have some sort of secret way of getting me lynched tomorrow and are keeping it in reserve until then. Again, if so, tip my hat to them for such brilliant gambiting, but if not, if what we see is what they've got...then it's just...ouch. I'm so, so sorry you guys.
(In my defense, this is the scumgame I've been wanting for over a god-damned year, in that I've been putting up my A-game. People scumread me, sure, but I can never maintain a universal townread over the whole game--in fact, doing so is counter-intuitively a hilariously bad idea; the best scumgame is one where you're seen as progressively more and more town as the game goes on, and while some players did scumread me, my general level of townness has gone up as the game's continued. After all, NACHO is also townreading me. I've broken most of my established towntells for the sake of the best possible scumgame ever.)
In post 284, mastin2 wrote:Yes, but we'll be in mylo at that point, with TSO, Jaqen, you, me, PV, and whichever of Constantine/Wicked we don't kill.
I can handle the pressure, and I already took steps to prepare, since my posts today (4058 in particular--read the section to Nacho) have let "accidentally" slip that I'm actually the commute inventor, know LC's gambiting, and am protecting him, so it's "not too unreasonable" that the scum "saw through the ploy" and "took a lucky shot". (I prepare for everything.)
It takes every town player to lynch me, and while having conftown vote me is bad, I'm only really screwed if I can't make a plausible scumteam out of the mastin voters and/or the town players not voting me have extreme interest in voting me.
In post 285, mastin2 wrote:Also, worth noting, Jaqen could in fact be a PR, but short of him being a friendly neighbor/innocent child or him being a tracker/watcher that sees me kill, there's no role he could be that will keep him from being speedlynched should he ever claim. Soyeah, we're not killing him.
In post 288, mastin2 wrote:I know, right?
This is basically me going through lylo trolling as scum where I do 'research' on who I think is scum, just two day phases early.
And it's super-mega-cool that basically the entire town is placing their unwavering faith and support behind me to find and vote scum.
When I say, "When I'm scum, you never know it", I kindameanit.
The dead thread is probably moaning and groaning about how cheeky I am, but they have to appreciate the artistry in my actions, because I'm effectively weaving a tapestry, here.
In post 289, mastin2 wrote:Also, Anti, just in case the PMs to goodmorning and you somehow didn't get through, I figure I might as well post in here as a backup to make it explicit:
My commute target is Lying Cat.
In post 290, mastin2 wrote:Strictly speaking, lynching Nacho is probably better for us, because Nacho is going to be a bitch to deal with come tomorrow and/or mylo.
But I think that lynching Jaqen is acceptable for today, too, because Jaqen's belief of an inventor being scum is going to be annoying to deal with. They both have their ups and downs as far as getting lynched goes.
Right now, I still think lynching Nacho is the safer option, so if I can sway myself over to thinking that, I will, but I think it's still a good lynch if we get rid of Jaqen today, too.
In post 292, mastin2 wrote:Btw, Jaqen, there was no contradiction in what I said.
Take it from me, not as a scum player, but as a fucking setup reviewer, that's exactly how I talk.
I will talk about overwhelming strength, I will talk about synchronization, I will talk about all of that, and how it is or isn't balanced, because it's my fucking job to do so. You try using that tactic to read me in a game, and you'll end up mislynching me by...hmm, how often am I scum?...90% of the time or so, given how I seem to only draw scum one out of ten games or so. In other words, lynching me correctly by sheer blind luck of the draw.
That's not to say there aren't reasons I'm scum. There's plenty of scumposting I'm doing right now because I'm a cheeky scumfuck. But talking about setup spec is a point of PRIDE of mine, alignment-null, and I would be saying the same damn things as town. If not moreso.
In post 293, mastin2 wrote:Also,
Message to the dead thread:By now, you're probably making snide remarks, "LC for scum MVP." or the like.
To which, I have but one thing to say: Don't youdaretake that honor from me!
LC's not a scum MVP; they were just thoroughly fooled by me, so don't hold it against them. They had every reason to believe I was town, and I know this especially considering I'm rereading the parts of the game where I was setting up my machinations. (Like my hiplop defense--got me a lot of trouble short-term, but in the long-term, that hiplop defense was golden on my part and did nothing but establish my credibility as a player.)
In post 294, mastin2 wrote:Also also, I find it rather amusing (albeit slightly annoying) that the existing suspicion on me (mainly from Cerb and Wicked) doesn't stem from my play being bad--but becausethey think it's too good.
And, hilariously enough,they're actually right. Gotta give credit where credit's due. Yes, I'm a scum mastermind. So, yes, all the town stuff I've done has been furthering my scum agenda, leaving LC alive among them. A good scum ploy, smart scum tactics, using strategic kills and posting to weave a very specific narrative tailored for maximizing endgame success. They're actually right that as town, I wouldn't be this solid.
In post 298, mastin2 wrote:I know, right?
Poor Nacho. This must be absolutely devastating for him.
I'm not even sure which would be worse--him realizing I'm scum and getting lynched before he can convince anyone, or him being blissfully ignorant until reaching the dead thread. Either way, it's legit pretty sad...but at the same time, exhilarating.
In post 303, mastin2 wrote:Well, I'm coming in to post.
Whether it'll "help" or not, I'm not sure.
It could seriously backfire, but I took a look offline and noticed people are thinking more, "hmm, must be strongman" rather than, "the commute inventor is scum".
I'm going to out myself, in an emotional state, and hard-press LC. It'll divert attention away from you, for sure, but then *I* might end up in trouble.
I think it's worth it, though, because if I pull this off, it'll look super-mega-town.
In post 305, mastin2 wrote:^Yep, pretty much.
Also, fun fact: this is something that I've never really revealed, because it's not much of a tell. But while I use the ":roll:" smiley as town, I use it a disproportionately larger amount as scum. I think it has to do with the method of sarcasm I use. I'm just as much sarcastic as town as I am scum, if not moreso as town. It's just that the FORM of the sarcasm is different. (For instance, ranting sarcasm is different from complaining sarcasm.)
In post 306, mastin2 wrote:Muahahahahaha.
Success.
I've maintained my towncred from everyone I need to (I don't need it from Wicked, since he's our nightkill), and while not as strong as it was pre-reveal, it's enough that I shouldn't be lynched today. All the while, the town's all focusing on the me-LC stuff with a side of Jaqen, while more or less ignoring you.
Just. as. planned.
In post 308, mastin2 wrote:Indeed.
Last night, I was terrified that my reversal on LC would make them antagonize me.
But they wrote it off (admittedly not without justification) as being town paranoia from me in a derp moment. Which is what I was more or less aiming for.
In post 310, mastin2 wrote:I already got that figured out.
It may not pan out the way I'm hoping, but the "woe is me" I've got planned out is absolutelyepicin just how much it looks like frustrated town.
In post 311, mastin2 wrote:Also, fun fact:Know how I'm fond of the metaphor of "you think we're playing poker, but I'm checkmating your king", and/or "you think it's a game of checkers, whereas I'm checkmating your king"?In post 4335, T S O wrote:This game is like a horrible insane logic puzzle where some pieces are missing and others are moving around and it's not even certain it's solvable.
Yeah, that? How I describe my scumgame?
Well, TSO, you know that feeling you're describing?That's what I'm talking about. When I make those metaphors, that is what I mean. It's a horrible insane logic puzzle with some pieces missing and the rest moving around, without a certainty of resolvability...because I'm crazy, I manipulate logic like a champion, I remove and place the pieces as I see fit, and I am a master at switching things up.
In post 312, mastin2 wrote:Aaaaaaaaannd, we enter game-winning mode tomorrow.
Vezokpiraka kills: Wickedestjr.
In post 316, mastin2 wrote:Nah. I'd be lucky to get a scummy nom, yet alone win something. It's not that memorable.In post 313, vezokpiraka wrote:OMG. I love you man. If we win this people will talk about it forever.
Really, it's going to be the kind of thing where I go, "Hey, see this? THIS IS MY SCUMGAME!". I can say that this is the scum game I've waited for a full year to play. I'll show it around a bit when asked for examples, it'll finally, FINALLY replace Left4Dead as my go-to example for scumplay (seriously, L4D, a game from FEBRUARY 2014, was my last memorable scumgame!), but mostly, it'll just serve to be an annoyance as people try to use it against me.
The MINUTE this game ends (and I do mean, the literal freakin' MINUTE), people will INSTANTLY point to it and try to say, "Mastin did *action* in this game, therefore she is scum here". And I'm going to have to deal with that for MONTHS.
Also, sent the commute to Constantine, the "lost" coinflip.
