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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:34 pm

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The History of Oslanvathez


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Even the best armed and trained dwarves were not a match to the demon hordes. The pit breaching decimated the military of Oslavanthez, and was a big factor to its fall to the Goblin Siege.

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KoC 2 - Timeater, Andersonw
Timeater 1 - KoC
Reborn 1 - Pesco
Pesco 1 - Sekinj

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Tuberkulos, Reborn537, Ramus

With 8 creatures alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:19 pm

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I'm guessing the scum are demons then.
The quick-hammer is no longer scummy. I'm taking it back.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:33 pm

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@Pesco and Anderson: Is this question you want reborn to answer?
Pesco47 wrote:What policy makes it so definite that we need to drop everything and start giving scum more info?
Just clarifying becasue I thought he had already answered that question...

I'd liek to get on with the mass claim, so please be more specific if there is a question reborn needs to answer first.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:51 pm

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Pesco's interesting posts. I've added the comments in italics. everything directly quoted is contained in " ". otherwise it is paraphrased. Many of those posts I have cut down to just show the voting/fosing pattern.

P1 - random vote tub
(1)

p2 - "It's too early to be pulling pictures like those. But I don't think Ramus was being serious anyway with no follow-up FoS or vote."
p3 - "I could say you're scum because you're not a newb and pushing for faulty logic. FoS reborn
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, upgradable to a vote once Tuber clears up the OMGUS. "
p4 - "My vote on Tuber is still from random voting. Need some more discussion before I confirm or move."
I'm counting the random vote becuase this shows that although it was supposedly random pescp was suspicious of tub by this point, so that at least turned it from a random vote into a serious FoS in theory.

p5 - "Unvote, FoS Timeater"
(3)
for lack of serious post
p6 - "Vote Timeater FoS Cyber"
(4)

p9 - "FoS CoCam"
(5)

p10 - "FoS Roffman"
(6)

p14 - "Something is not quite right here."
-maybe I haven't been around enough, but I have really only ever seen scum say this...

p15 - "Unvote, Vote CoCam"
(7)

p15 -
Pesco Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:33 am wrote:
CoheedCambria09 wrote: then lynch...
If there's a pro-town day-vig out there, please fire for this.
- blatant role fishing. CoCam was already on the chopping block, why woudl a day-vig risk exposure for this?

p17 - "But being a kobold certainly makes you anti-dwarves by flavour.
passive aggressively pushing CoCam's lynch

p18 - "Feling the same vibe as everyone before me on this one. FoS Tim"
(8)

p22 - "If it weren't for this, I'd have voted Tim again in agreeance with Sekinj. Roffman is doing more IioA compared to Tim's plain anti-town behaviour. Vote Roffman"
(9)
-why is does he state that he agrees with me near the end of yesterday, yet the first thing he did today was vote me? It doesn't fit

p23 - "One cook flipping vanilla is not going to clear anyone else"
-trying to keep time on the lynch line for tomorrow since he knows Roff will flip town

p26 - "Meta is no justification for scummy actions. FoS Reborn"
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p31 - "In all, I think Sekinj did the hammer or called the NK. I'm doubting the likelyhood of doing both because that places quite a lot of power in one player's hands. Vote Sekinj"
(11)

p34 - "It was a personal opinion that compelled me to vote Sekinj at the time, pretty much intuition based. The most outstanding point is where she calls iLord for 'Too Townie'."
-feels like backtracking. at the time of his vote he stated that I was the hammerer (with nothing to back it up), and now that other players are questioning him he backtracks to say that it was just "intuition" and calling IL too townie, which he never mentioned when voting me.

p35 - "Can we all agree that Roffman wasn't town aligned then?"
-trying tto steer the town into a misconception. How could Roff be town-aligned if scum executed the hammer? Pesco already accused me of doign the hammer, so I know he had thought about it at this point. Why now is he trying to say Roff was anti-town?

p40 - "Unvote, Vote Reborn"
(12)


Pesco FoS's or votes on average every 3rd post. He has FoS'd or voted 7 of the 12 players, in fact there are only 2 players alive that he has not Fos'd... I'd say that was a pretty large spread of supicion. It looks like he is just throwing out a wide net to see where a case will stick. I even looked for meta evidence that this is how he usually plays... but in the few others games he has been in i couldn't find support for that theory... so my vote stands.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:22 pm

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:Tuber: I had a think about it, and realised that though there may be some benefits for town, they pale into insignificance given the benefit to scum.
I'll claim if asked, but I'm not going to start a mass-claim.
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Knight of Cydonia wrote:I'm good with a mass-claim.
Popcorn it, Tim should pick first.
[quote="Knight of Cydonia]Shall we popcorn the mass claim, if we're going to have one?[/quote]
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:24 pm

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:Tuber: I had a think about it, and realised that though there may be some benefits for town, they pale into insignificance given the benefit to scum.
I'll claim if asked, but I'm not going to start a mass-claim.
And yet you mentioned mass-claiming
twice
, showing no signs of being sceptic to the idea. What made you reassess?
Knight of Cydonia wrote:I'm good with a mass-claim.
Popcorn it, Tim should pick first.
Knight of Cydonia wrote:Shall we popcorn the mass claim, if we're going to have one?
I would also like to add that sekinj really got some valid points about Pesco. His ambivalent style is quite scummy.
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:01 am

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sekinj wrote:
PBPA
Anything else you haven't taken out of context yet? Looking for meta to justify a play style fails because it can't be proven. I've condemned using meta to clear a person and I've been true to what I say because I haven't used meta to call a person scummy either. I treat every player as a stranger and base my arguments on how they're playing in the relevant game. My widespread suspicion is because the remaining players haven't done enough to make themselves townie to my reads.

Onto my claim, I am Amost Othosstinthad, Weaponsmith. My ability will take us out of LyLo even if we lynch a townie today. Bring on the misrepresentation.

Let's have Reborn come clean with us. You wanted the claim, you have it. I've matched your bet and now I call your hand.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:04 am

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Edem Ekastkeskal, Engraver. No ability but I am very upset about my blood-spattered work.

KoC, you're up.
The quick-hammer is no longer scummy. I'm taking it back.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:06 am

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Hang on, KoC, wait. Pesco - what is your ability. We're claiming. "My ability" is not descriptive enough.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:10 am

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My ability is better than yours. That is all you need to know, since I still think you're scum fishing me.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:18 am

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WE'RE MASS CLAIMING

vote pesco
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:29 am

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Pesco47 wrote:Looking for meta to justify a play style fails because it can't be proven. I've condemned using meta to clear a person and I've been true to what I say because I haven't used meta to call a person scummy either. I treat every player as a stranger and base my arguments on how they're playing in the relevant game.
I, however, believe meta is valuable, but not gospel. I simply did that research and included it in order to be thorough. If you always FoS'd every other player I wouldn't think my case holds water... however, you haven't done that in past games. It is valuable to be able to judge a person's playstyle, if possible, in order to try to get a read on someone.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:30 am

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reborn537 wrote:Edem Ekastkeskal, Engraver. No ability but I am very upset about my blood-spattered work.

KoC, you're up.
I thought you said you were special and so couldn't claim first... now you are saying your vanilla?
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:44 am

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reborn537 wrote:WE'RE MASS CLAIMING

vote pesco
Lol. Honestly. Let's hear how someone changes from being a special to a vanilla all of a sudden.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:49 am

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reborn537 wrote: Claus likes to give a lot of abilties, but some of them are quite weak and barely even count as a "power" role.
Let's use your meta-logic for a bit here. I find it very unlikely that there are so many vanilla ice-creams in this shop (Reborn, Roffman, Tim, Sekinj). You said it yourself that Claus likes to give abilities. 'Lynch all Liars' is a better policy to be using than 'IT'S LYLO! MASSCLAIM OR DIE TIME'.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:52 am

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I never said I was special. I said that my claim would help the scum. This is because knowing that so many professions can be vanilla would help the scum with their claims infinitely.
The quick-hammer is no longer scummy. I'm taking it back.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:59 am

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Pesco47 wrote:
reborn537 wrote: Claus likes to give a lot of abilties, but some of them are quite weak and barely even count as a "power" role.
Let's use your meta-logic for a bit here. I find it very unlikely that there are so many vanilla ice-creams in this shop (Reborn, Roffman, Tim, Sekinj). You said it yourself that Claus likes to give abilities. 'Lynch all Liars' is a better policy to be using than 'IT'S LYLO! MASSCLAIM OR DIE TIME'.
Explain where I lied.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:19 am

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Someone has to be lying for the inconsistency with the number of vanillas.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:22 am

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Explain yourself. You're wrong, but explain explicitly so it will be easier for me to show how wrong you are.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:45 am

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reborn537 wrote:Explain yourself. You're wrong, but explain explicitly so it will be easier for me to show how wrong you are.
You're so epic. If I'm wrong and you think so, you're responsible for pointing it out because I'm quite certain that I'm not wrong about someone lying about being vanilla.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:48 am

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You're so totally going to get lynched today.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:48 am

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I cant really post alot right now but can WE PLEASE AVOID ANY HASTY LYNCHES OR QUICK BANDWAGONS I SWEAR TO GOD DO NOT DO IT. I'll post later tonight
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:49 am

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Got anything better than that to threaten me with?
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:35 am

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I am Vabok Vabokzedot, a peasant. Vanilla townie, basically.
I don't believe reborn's claim at all, seems like he only used the threat of being a special to keep us from lynching him.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:41 am

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:I am Vabok Vabokzedot, a peasant. Vanilla townie, basically.
I don't believe reborn's claim at all, seems like he only used the threat of being a special to keep us from lynching him.
Wow, 5 vanilla. Isn't anyone strawberry, mint or choco-cuppacino, with whirls of caramel and sprinkled with hazelnuts flavoured? There are definite liars in the ranks of vanilla.

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