In post 4312, Feysal wrote:
By the way, I have a minor confession to make. I criticized Mastin for supposedly suspecting Nacho for not answering when he asked if he was town, but I can similarly pinpoint the moment I decided you were town to a single post. It was
#684, specifically the bit about
swimming
. I don't think that reason would have gone over well so I shut up about it, and even now I don't think I can satisfactorily explain why I got a town read from that, it just felt like something only town would say. After that I never doubted you again. I'm sure I could have come up with better reasons if I'd had to defend you, but that never happened.
It's funny where people get their town reads sometimes. You were my second strongest town read day one, just behind MoI, and after they died you were the strongest even though you weren't in the picture that often. Any doubts I had about you throughout the game were paranoia based and your lack of presence based. But you always made so much sense that I was able to get rid of my paranoia when it creeped up. And you being so sure on Mastin was such a great help because you verbalized the things that had bothered me about the play as well, so it helped me be more confident in the decision so much that I think even if CG wouldn't have let us have that lynch and I would have gotten stuck in LyLo, it's still the choice I would have made.
Mastin - Thank you for the things you said in your qt. I don't know how talented I actually am, but thank you for saying it
Looking over the play through the course of the day would have and did resonate with me. Funny for you to plan to invoke NY146. It was just on the whole, your play was more suspicious than Nacho's. It didn't help that ML's posts pointed to you through relational tells, or CoolDog's. The evidence was just pointing to you more strongly than it pointed to Nacho. Some of your answers to the questions I asked didn't help either, especially the ML one that you admitted was complete bullshit.
I don't know what the big deal is with him not having checked to see who his partners are, so I'm not following Tierce's train of thought. No scum is required to put out relational tells, and any decent scum player knows how to not do it as well as put fake ones out there to throw off town. Are you suggesting that scum has to make those tells so that town can go catch them. That's stupid. Like dumb. I once replaced into a game, read the game before I read my role pm, starting writing up my introduction and first set of reads and realized before I hit submit that I didn't even know what my alignment was. I turned out to be scum, and I submitted my reads as they were anyway. In that same game, I completely forgot I was scum one day and started arguing with one of my partners over whether or not someone was guilty. He wanted him lynched, and I told him why he was insane. A few days later when I went to the scum qt, he had left a message for me to keep on arguing with him like that because it looked so genuine that neither of us would likely get caught if the other one was. I didn't have the heart to tell him it was genuine because I forgot my alignment. *idiot* Too bad that game was eaten by the crash
If someone feels more comfortable by not knowing their scum partners or their alignment right away, then meh...I don't see the big deal. It can hurt just as much as it can help. Where I play, there is a person who routinely doesn't check his role pm until mid day one. The last time we played when he was scum, he dropped a possible relational tell simply because he didn't know his alignment so he didn't realize that he needed to be careful. We were having fun and decided to speedlynch someone early day one. We weren't really going to do it, but a bunch of us piled on calling for a speedlynch. It happened to be on scum, and when he came in he decided to join the "speedlynch" dropping the fifth or sixth vote on his partner because he was unaware of his alignment and who his partner was. He ended up getting modkilled later that game, but in the after game discussion it was brought up that his dropping his vote like that, because of how things happened in the game, would have pointed to him being a likely partner and would have gotten him caught.
Now tactical replace outs...not cool.
Do we get to see the dead QT at some point? And how do you read those night actions; it just looks like a list of names.
