Naked vote by davesaz is ironic. Also I spent every minute since the prior post doing this, so folks have an idea of the time it took.
Thankfully, there's not much to look through with Davesaz. He's been here since the start but has only ~2.75% of the posts, many of which aren't really much for content.
14 Unprompted town claim. There was no reason for him to even take the question seriously, and even less reason to make the claim soft. This reads like someone aware they are lying and overdoing it.
20 The first usage of emoticon. The pattern is interesting, as you'll see.
33 Speaks for itself, I think?
120 Huge gap until his next post, which is a naked jump onto the Boonskiies wagon. Interestingly, Boonskiies was mafia and killed during the night for going inactive and no replacement being found.
I'm not the only one to question the way he jumped onto the wagon either.
161 The emoticon makes a return, this time to laugh off the suggestion that a naked vote without any real reasoning should be scrutenized at all. The vote on Boonskiies is well past RVS and davesaz is experienced enough to know that PYBS was talking about how he changed his vote to Boon naked and without comment.
If you don't commont on why you vote for a scumbuddy, there's less there to indict you later. PYBS was later mislynched and davesaz had his vote on a useless vanity wagon. It's almost like he didn't want to be on the wagon for some reason.
172 Quite a damning post for davesaz, who, for all intents and purposes, did exactly what he said he didn't often see people do.
173 Oh hey look, a fluff post trying to be helpful and dodging the request to give thoughts about Rubicon or PYBS or a specific post by Grib (associatives with Grib starting to creep in a bit)
292 Around 12 hours go by, only for davesaz to make a noncomittal comment regarding Rubicon. It would be nice to know Rubicon is town, for sure, because that would make this a lot more damning than it already is. Doesn't adress Grib at all.
309 Fluff post about falling asleep after the incredibly taxing 14-16 word previous post (depending on whether you count contractions as a single word or the words they stand for). Still hasn't responded about Grib. Starting to see a pattern here.
310 A mess of a post with a bunch of random stuff added on to what seems like the actual point of the post, which is to shut down people from starting to see associations. We're nearly 10% into the game here, but it's too soon to take note of how people are associating? Really?
And Ricastle got night killed. Hrm...
326 PYBS makes the point that davesaz only posts sporadically and only to defend himself (which is quite cogent, as it appears to continue throughout the entire game). Gives his reasons for it and says that playing with unknown people inhibits him. Giving himself a reason for lurking through the game, perhaps?
He also buddies PYBS here ... it's almost like he knows PYBS is town ... and as noted earlier, davesaz is found on a vanity wagon for the PYBS mislynch.
455 Makes a short fluff post only tangentally referring to ongoing events in the game. Sets up the idea that Ricastle / Grib / Skold are somehow linked. Two of those people have flipped, and were town.
460 Claims that their interactions pop out and form a "triangle", in response to PYBS. Claims to have no opinion on alignment, but somehow expects it to be significant.
499 Another fluff post, with another "wink" emoticon.
513 Another "look how helpful and friendly I am" post.
515 Feigns ignorance in the face of being openly questioned about being lurking/inactive scum. Chides creative for being impatient with a gambit/play. Could be the first bit of pressure that led to Creative being night killed?
516 For no discernable reason, feels the need to explain that he didn't actually see the gambit Creative played until it was all over.
541 Can't make heads or tails of this post. It doesn't really seem to have a clear point or exist for any reason other than to have posted something. It doesn't fit in with the context around it ... at all.
551 Some White Knighting of Garmr's slot mixed in with a dash of placing doubt about Peacbringer, who ended up being a town PR. The thing that stands out to me here is that there's nothing for PB to really respond to. It's just davesaz implying there is some reason to question PB, but isn't at all explicit aobut it.
622 Making sure to note that he thinks that wagon built awfully fast before Garmr replaced out, but there he sits, awfully early onto the wagon. It's odd that he appears to White Knight in 551, but is on the wagon early. Contradiction. Narrative slip?
637 More scrutiny from Creative brushed off. Slips in a reference to age as an excuse for "forgetting" things. Appears to want to give himself room to alter his scum narrative by having an early established reason for it. He's old and forgetful so he has to note things that may or may not mean anything.
641 Do either of these comments actually do anything with the game state? It's like I'm reading a football color commentary guy or something. Bad theory in that first comment, fo sho.
649 Complains that the wrong part of his post was focused on. Since there is so little content from his slot to this point, I'm confused what he could possibly think was improper to be focused on. Looking at context I see ... Oh hey look it's PYBS making the point that even VTs should not prefer their own lynch.
650 Implicitly makes Skold responsible for a wagon.
652 The irony in this post is almost too much. I'm not going to explain it ... click the link and go look.
656 When Skold asks "Why me" in reference to 650, davesaz backs off from the implicit assignment of responsibility and claims to be running a gambit. As far as I can see, Davesaz doesn't actually interact with people's responses to his "play" here.
657 Quotes himself and says PYBS and Rubicon need to pass his "test". For someone who was so often questioning PYBS, it seems really weird that he was off on a vanity wagon when PYBS got mislynched.
665 Big theory post telling everyone how wrong they are. It's almost as if he knows, somehow, that this wagon is going to end up a mislynch. He's been making all sorts of posts that implicitly show he expects the slot to flip town, but doesn't come out and just say it. He's being so obtuse about it that KC actually votes him for it on the assumption that he's either protecting a scumbuddy or trying to get points when the wagon flips town.
682 Seems to abandon the "play" from earlier. Claims the replacements will screw up getting any real info from it.
691 I think this is the first post with some actual content. Unfortunately, davesaz claims that he is much smarter than the rest of us and often makes leaps that we can't follow, so he has to explain them in "painstaking detail". Don't see any prior post that could possibly be a reason for this. This is maybe the least subtle "I'm smart and you all are stupid" post I've seen in a long time.
697 Apparently feedback is only good if you answer the part of the post he actually wanted feedback on. But thanks anyway.
707 Because it's so terribly hard to look at page one, please do extra work mod. I also want to look like I'm being helpful to town, so asking the mod to do this extra work will totally make me look like I'm doing stuff, even if I'm not posting about it.
744 Well then. I'm glad you shared that with us.
749 Responding to Creative. Poor Creative seems to have pressured the wrong old guy. This is just playing right into the night kill big time. The "What don't you like about the truth?" line is great, since before this post davesaz hasn't really taken much of a stance on anything. It's all implicit at best. Davesaz seems to have gone out of his way to avoid saying anything explicitly.
Furthermore, he says that scum try to evade saying they don't have strong reads while town has nothing to lose by saying it ... but only because he's just said he doesn't have "a lot" of strong reads just a single sentence prior. He's never mentioned his reads, at all, prior to this post. He says he doesn't have "a lot" of strong reads (implicit is that he must have at least some, but they aren't shared), and then feels the need to defend himself as being townie and not scum.
All of this was not commentary that he made himself, but rather because Creative (who would soon be ruthlessly silenced) was pushing him.
756 Talks about his scum game, then uses another emoticon. (Very sporadic usage of emoticons, and always in the context of himself as scum ... interesting). Appears to realize that in the prior post he had screwed up by calling something townie that he hadn't actually done, and blames the poor memory he earlier referenced. Promises to get to a "spectrum" later, which he does two days later.
784 Directs replacements to look at the current wagon and then gives a statement that hedges heavily. Did I already point out that he was early onto and stayed on this mislynch wagon, while giving himself cover throughout, already? I think I did, yeah?
909 This list appears to just be made up out of whole cloth. It doesn't align with things he has said previously. He makes sure to give himself excuses though. This looks an awful lot like "going through the motions" to me. Look where the confirmed scum are on this list. This might be the most damning thing in the ISO really.
1219 Refers to a Ricastle post and says he had the same thought ... and then says scum would want to eliminate such a player. Where do we find davesaz? Early and super glued to the wagon.
1381 Subtle defense of Boonskiies, who was scum. Using a question to deflect suspicion. Instead of responding to both people in a single post, uses two different posts. Trying to imprint on people's memory as more active than he really is? Seems very odd to me.
1234 Fly by post putting out an interaction with Creative. Did he know he wanted to kill Creative already by this point?
1608 Suggests that Grib is scum because of "cherry picking" and claims to have looked back at the ISO and "remembered" why he had him as town. Apart from the thrown together reads list that has zero explanations for anyone except for the people he listed as most scummy, all he had said about Grib was that earlier "triangle" comment and that he thought it needed to be watched. Apparently he forgot he was trying to figure out what was going on with that "triangle"?
Interesting to note, as it just stood out to me right here; davesaz put all the known scum on the scum side of his list, which would be a statistical abberation for how he claims the list came about, but that's not the most interesting part. The most interesting part is that he has scum on the scummy side of his list but somehow only ends up pursuing the not scum in that part of his list.
1638 Man there are an awful lot of posts by dave about work and why he can't contribute. You'd think, given my own experience, that people would be on him like a fat kid on a twinkie. That whole "I'm old and have a bad memory" thing from early in the game must have really worked some magic for him.
1784 Pointless bad theory post. What if Ricastle's reads were right? He was right about the slot he was talking about. More confusing about this post is that davesaz is literally trying to be on both sides of the issue concerning whether this wagon is scummy. A very large portion of his entire ISO contains posts taking one side or the other.
1815 Notes the end of the day is creeping up and votes the wagon ... but his vote is 3rd on the final votecount, so had to scroll up and see that he voted for Skold for a hot minute but apparently not long enough to unseat him from being on the front row of the mislynch bandwagon.
At this point, more than half of his posts are gone, with several days to go. Was the decision to be more lurky strategic or will there be some reason (excuse?) to come ...?
1939 Tries to argue any associatives with Boonskiies should be disregarded, on rather shaky ground.
2300 We're back in only post to defend himself mode, with a nice "Poor me, scum are holding on to me for a mislynch ... hopefully you all aren't too stupid to realize." setup thrown in. This stinks of scum narrative worse than a week old corpse.
2530 Shows up after more than two days gone to make a very WiFoM arguument that activity isn't alignment indicitive. Fallaciously refers to a prior game where scum went after inactives and lost as a way to try and make himself look both townie and like a bad lynch option (events in one game with one group of people and role assignments have no causal impact on events of another game. What happened in a prior game is irrelevant to this one, and davesaz is smart enough to know that).
Brings up his being busy for work reason again and then makes a very cleverly worded statement. He says regarding low post counts, in his case, he doesn't lie about RL. Let's accept that as true, becuase he has not in the prior 2500 posts ever tied his activity and alignment together, so he can easily be scum and telling the truth about being busy.
He then says that he's stated several times that he has been busy, and only after having established that he doesn't lie about being busy does he say that his lack of posts should not be alignment indicative.
Please take note that he never explicitly ties his alignment to his activity, but he
does
set up an implicit "If you say I'm scum, the only reason you have is my inactivity, and that will mean you are calling me a liar IRL" situation.
Also apparently he thought Nero or Elusive were scum, but never went anywhere with it.
2620 Only joins the KC wagon when the slip is super obvious and it's time for Jerome to make an appearance.
3008 The most blantant gloating I've ever seen. It will take hours, if not
days
to decide whether tracking results are useful or not?
3086 Criticizes Elusive for referring to a prior game to try and make some point about the current, when her doing it actually makes sense and his was a gigantic fallacy. Hrm.
3253 I love double standards. No ... wait ... no I don't at all.
3388 What questionable pile? It has been thousands of posts since davesaz shared any actual reads. Lots of implying various people are scum or trying to discredit RIP's attempt to make a town block ... but no reads since more than 2000 posts prior.
3453 First mention of Ika since the "reads" thousands of posts earlier. He "doubt{s} the slot is town though." without any explanation whatsoever. Just a naked "I'm gonna go ahead and get on the Ika is scum side as unobtrusively as possible" moment.
3527 VT claim in response to Grib saying he 1-shot investigated and got an innocent. Not at all concerned about a claimed innocent because any number of scenarios could be in play with a scum davesaz, especially if his partner is Grib (note that there were some early associatives).
If a scum Grib gives an innocent on davesaz, who by the time this innoncent is given has for some reason been mostly given a pass for lurksacking through the game ... and then Grib gets lynched and flips scum ... most people conclude what about davesaz?
I'm sure any half competent player could list at least a half dozen scenarios where davesaz is as scummy as his ISO makes him look, even though Grib claimed a 1-shot cop innoncent on him.
3543 Oh hey look it's my slot getting voted, with a quick unvote a few posts later that looks showy. What does L-1 matter if he believes my slot is scum?
3682 Dismisses an investigative result that my slot didn't go anywhere and then proceeds to throw doubt on all claimed town roles
3923 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Basically making the case that the result is fake and therefore the role claim is fake.
As a side note, Grib has been changing his story more often than OCD people was their hands. Just thought I'd point that out since it fits heavily with my theory of game at the moment.
4101 Getting the payoff from something set up thousands of posts earlier. Off on a vanity wagon and gets to criticize everyone on the PBYS wagon.
4111 Says the only people who he thinks are town are himself, Grib (posited scum parter) and Rubicon (buddying?).
Says RIP's x-shot doesn't fit, while at the same time relying on Grib's "x-shot" as his cover. Notes that if RIP is being honest, then Nero is lying (and thus probably scum?). This confuses me becuase that would seem to indicate that he believes there's a scum in those two ... why hasn't he followed this up at all?
Points out my slot could be scum, and be tracker cleared, and all of that would be because prior slot player flaked and didn't submit a kill. Out of all the various narratives he has been spinning, this seems to be the one he wants to go with.
First reads list in over 3,000 posts and it's highly suspect, and at least partially based upon contradictory information/assumptions.
4232 Again pressing the idea that the lack of a kill is a result of Taly flaking in my slot. At the same time he's pointing out that 2 scum are left, so the theory of 1 person flaking is why there was no kill seems to sink before it even gets a few feet into the water.
4234 Oh look, at naked vote. "Have been thinking this for quite a long time"... yeah, no shit. I think the first whiff of him trying to set up a future lynch on this slot is like over a thousand posts prior.
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So, for those of you wondering, that took around 2 and 1/2 hours ... to go through and evaluate a fairly lurksack slot, going into context for things where there was no clear explanation of what was posted.
