Street Racers: Las Vegas (Game over!)

[BROseidon]

NO, NO LYNCHING THE SCUM DESIGNATED LYNCH

[AngryPidgeon]

I know how to read Desperado now.

If Im disappointed with his town play, hes probably just scum.

[BROseidon]

Burden of proficiency is a completely valid scum hunting tool.

[displaced]

Burden of proficiency is a completely valid scum hunting tool.

:nod:

[penguin_alien]

Thanks for the game, StrangerCoug!

Looking at things in hindsight Natirasha's gunsmith claim was quite well executed from what could have been a day one lynch. And even if it was super-protracted, the LyLo play ended up being well done.

I'm obviously biased in thinking BRO had some great scum hunting there, but overall the town did a very nice job of nailing some good scum players. Probably a bit hazy/rose-colored glasses-y given the time elapsed, but I feel like on the whole of it town managed to avoid letting doubts get in the way of working together when it mattered.

[Natirasha]

If there is one thing I'm good at, its making believable claims.

[sthar8]

Bah so close. Good job town. My play was pretty much all putting out fires, and the town was stacked with solid players. It was quite frustrating to have every discussion of me come down to "but greygnarl looked scummy day1" since there was nothing I could do about it. The game was basically lost in the day1 associatives before I joined up, but I did my best. This, incidentally, is exactly why I don't like Larges. It's just so demoralizing to spend all that time and effort when I don't think there was actually anything I could do to win the game.

Sthar trying to apathize the town I imagine

Yup. Strong but lurky players in endgame means I shouldn't give away any information. And Brian, I don't see how it's the scum's responsibility to break a cycle of correct play that ends in no actions.

Yeah finally!

STHAR I HAVE A NEW SCUMTELL ON YOU!!!! And I'm not telling you what it is!

I knew I should have just played SK this game.

NO, NO LYNCHING THE SCUM DESIGNATED LYNCH

I thought I was the scum designated lynch?

[BROseidon]

I thought I was the scum designated lynch?

That was a distancing play by Nati.

I'm surprisingly bad at telling them apart right away. Normally I can't catch busses for like 1-2 day phases after the bus occurs.

[sthar8]

[displaced]

Yup. Strong but lurky players in endgame means I shouldn't give away any information. And Brian, I don't see how it's the scum's responsibility to break a cycle of correct play that ends in no actions.

I kinda agree but as soon as the mod says if theres no kill in the next cycle it's a tied game, aren't you forced into shooting by "play to win"?

[displaced]

Can we get a scum QT?

[displaced]

OH yeah its in the role pm's...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

forced into shooting by "play to win"?

^^ This is how I felt about it, regardless of the mod's decision to tie the game.

I don't believe in draws. Not in mafia.

[AngryPidgeon]

And I think I burned every single town read I had on me fighting for the displaced wagon, which was a really obviously shit wagon.

Lol.

AP's softed vig numerous times and the kills roughly equivocate with who he would kill.

Did you not read my entire rant about how much I missed gooner and figured he was Serial killed? I mean I guess I could have been distancing from that but WOW.

You think I hail mary on AP guilty or no?

Oh man this would have been a storm for the ages.

[sthar8]

Yup. Strong but lurky players in endgame means I shouldn't give away any information. And Brian, I don't see how it's the scum's responsibility to break a cycle of correct play that ends in no actions.

I kinda agree but as soon as the mod says if theres no kill in the next cycle it's a tied game, aren't you forced into shooting by "play to win"?

forced into shooting by "play to win"?

^^ This is how I felt about it, regardless of the mod's decision to tie the game.

I don't believe in draws. Not in mafia.

Which is what happened. Of course, the question is why the scum is forced to play to win but the town isn't.

[mastin2]

The reason's simple.
Town wincon is to eliminate all threats to the town.
If the mafia refuse to kill consistently, they're refusing to be a threat. And because they're actively choosing not to be a threat, the town has fulfilled its wincon: the mafia's no longer a threat, even if still existing.
The mafia wincon is to control 50% of the town. By consistently not killing, the mafia are not playing towards that. They're putting no effort into fulfilling it.

Thus, the justification for mafia losing and town winning.

[sthar8]

But the mafia can be a threat in the day phase...

I get the idea, and I have no problem with how it played out in this game. But no killing was the correct play for me and suggesting that it should be disallowed or frowned upon is silly.

The correct thing to do is exactly what happened. The mod picks a number of iterations before a draw, and both scum and town have to decide whether they want to put the power in the other team's hands or not.

[mastin2]

But the mafia can be a threat in the day phase...

Except the day is the town's weapon. The town doesn't need to lynch when there's no longer a threat. The town doesn't need to use the day if the scum don't use their weapon.

In a traditional flavor sense, the town is responding to the threat of the mafia with their lynches. They're not happy-go-lucky lynchers from the get-go randomly. It's always the mafia striking first, during the night (pregame or N0 or occasionally a rare N1 night-start), rather than the town. If the mafia choose not to kill, they're effectively choosing not to exist.

[mastin2]

...That said?

I actually agree; I'd call it a draw. Because while the flavor and technically the role PMs say the mafia would lose, I'm a sucker for allowing the draw.

[Titus]

Damn it. Wake screws up my game even when getting modkilled.

Plan A: Get ETL lynched
Plan B: Obviously tank the lynch (which my buddies didn't see at the end) because I was getting lynched anyway. Get lynched as close to deadline as possible to make every deadline short as fuck, as scum can continue dallying around, forcing dumb deadline lynches.

Communicate Plan B through the use of a coded jester message to ika.

Wake gets modkilled... no one asks about jester message.


*Titus pulls hair out and watches minimally.

[sthar8]

...That said?

I actually agree; I'd call it a draw. Because while the flavor and technically the role PMs say the mafia would lose, I'm a sucker for allowing the draw.

I'm not a big fan of letting flavor determine mechanics except in the broadest sense.

I view a draw as a mutual loss.

[thezmon221]

Thank god, BS. Good job overall.

Sorry for my completely awful reads for the first 7 or so days.

I also had a feeling that PV had copped me. I read one of his posts, and it sounded like he got that inno on me in said post, but I didn't want to bring it up because it was a bit farfetched.

[displaced]

Which is what happened. Of course, the question is why the scum is forced to play to win but the town isn't.

Town assume scum must play to win and the last ball is always in the scum court

[AngryPidgeon]

I still don't get why everyone thought Thez was scum lol.

[displaced]

I think I was sheeping BRO

/hides