Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[midwaybear]

Only if you think I am scum
If I'm town, a godfather is confirmed. What is this think ur hiding anyways?

[midwaybear]

Dang Cakez
I feel your pain

[midwaybear]

I'm ready too

[midwaybear]

KJSDHJKFSDHHLKFSDFJHSD
mhmhmhmhmhmhm

[midwaybear]

looks like I was right in saying "supposed confirmed" this WHOLE time

[midwaybear]

Heehee
no godfather probs
pool should be me, alisae, pooky

[midwaybear]

Wait pretty sure it is impossible for pooky scum to win at this point

[midwaybear]

That is the play for pooky right
Obviously, Alisae dying outs him
Killing Tammy is highly questionable and doesn't fit in with thread expectation
Killing in the PoE also reveals that things are wrong
No kill just makes sense?

[midwaybear]

I'll need to check out the rest of the stuff, but this is clicking together barring gf shenanigans

[midwaybear]

Honestly, Pooky seems like the guy who would make the choice to meme in the moment, so I could see scum!him making that fakeclaim

[midwaybear]

we can just no-elim tammy can check me. its not like there's any rush. game is locked.

The game isn't locked in any way?
Alisae technically isn't confirmed

[midwaybear]

I think we have to assume there aren't godfathers

[midwaybear]

Alisae not looking great not confed
guys we need to take things slow...
I know this sounds hypocritical...

[midwaybear]

Pooky should die tonight if he is the doctor

[midwaybear]

Wait Pooky protecting you is somewhat of a sketchy move

[midwaybear]

I know
But doesn't pooky seem like the person who is more in the moment than planning ahead? He seems like someone who likes to have fun, so I can see him doing that to have some fun.

[midwaybear]

Well maybe Pooky thought he could still win. But yes, I suppose I am suggesting that Pooky made a misplay on purpose.

[midwaybear]

Hmm
Is scum definitely without a doubt between me andPooky?

[midwaybear]

why not just have, like, bell claim instead knowing he's going up in smoke

only pooky had the synergy with alisae at that moment
bell probably couldn't sell it anyways
I know pooky is a relationships based players from some games I followed with him in it

[midwaybear]

Maybe we should do the no-elim thing and have tammy just check pooky? If it is a green check, then uhh

[midwaybear]

I mean if Tammy peeks me, then Pooky scum just kills me.

[midwaybear]

ooh sorry tammy
that's relatable
peta, nahdia
let's take this home for the town!

[midwaybear]

Midway, it is impossible for you to win if you are scum.

Please reconsider your read on me if you are town

[midwaybear]

Honestly, I don't think I get hanged today. We're going to figure this out.

[midwaybear]

if midway's town then i'll be hurt that i had to agonize over a vote forced on town but you can just check alisae and if pooky is still alive we no elim and check him. that's fine, right?

This sounds like a winning strategy?

[midwaybear]

Do we think Alisae or me is more likely to be scum?

[midwaybear]

Isn't no kill correct move from Pooky scum and your own scum perspectives prior to today?

[midwaybear]

But how would you know Pooky was going to try to claim lovers with you?

[midwaybear]

Oh sorry. I thought you said N1. This is assuming that you are a suicide bomber and that isn't a great value move, but perhaps.
One thing that is confusing me is you outing this whole gambit in the first place. Hm, I suppose it is to set up for after I flip?

[midwaybear]

Also, I'm pretty sure everyone else townreads me here to some extent. I'm not sure why both of you think I'm some obvious scum candidate.

[midwaybear]

It's a little concerning to me how both of you still seem to be buddy buddy with each other. Like one of you is town and one of you should be reconsidering right now. This wasn't a good play(for either of you). One of you got hard pocketed and the other sorta threw.

[midwaybear]

You guys are the scummiest pair of lovers I have ever seen.

[midwaybear]

I didn't like that quote when I saw it, and now I realize it had a meaning I didn't even forsee!

[midwaybear]

elim me b4 alisae. alisae locktown

Guilty conscience huh pooky

[midwaybear]

r u saying bell knew his teammate was a fake mason lover and decided to out them. u must be trolling

It's not really outing them because I originally thought Bell was discrediting your claim. However, now that I look at it again, yeah he basically outed one of you. And yes, I can see Bell doing that.

[midwaybear]

Isn't the best route
elim in Alisae/me
Tammy check Pooky
gg
No eliminating keeps all three of us alive?

[midwaybear]

What happens if we no eliminate?

[midwaybear]

I just realized I had early scumread on both Pooky and Alisae
scummy lovers that's right
I want to reread Bell/DS reaction to claim and their earlier interactions with Pooky and Alisae.

[midwaybear]

That's cruel if we are both town which seems more and more likely, but I agree. This should just be a win regardless.

[midwaybear]

We're confident that peta and Nahdia are clears right? No godfather stuff?

[midwaybear]

Yeah, that's probably true. Just want to make sure we have this win locked up.

[midwaybear]

Doesn't Jake kill clear me? I probably gun for Pooky/Alisae as scum right.

[midwaybear]

Oh that's probably true haha

[midwaybear]

Hmm I am also thinking it is Pooky
I think we should go ahead with the no elim plan
We can do the due diligence first though

[midwaybear]

no alisae

we win this together

[midwaybear]

it's probably just midwaybear based on how he's playing the day

say more

I just remembered how scummy pooky was early game. And start of day is one of the times when scum is most vulnerable.

[midwaybear]

So many LHF in this game darn.

Eliza felt anger as she heard the man refer to her as a fruit.. This rudeness will not stand. Clenching her fists she turned to him and slapped him in his face.

"It's quite telling you are already looking for fruit and not interested in finding the villains here."

VOTE: Midwaybear

I'm pretty sure Pooky's reason for voting me here makes no sense.

[midwaybear]

eliminate you or no one

Is Alisae off the table? I do think e is town, but still

[midwaybear]

I thought Pooky protected Tammy

[midwaybear]

Oh. Hmm is it favorable for scum you to no kill?

[midwaybear]

Sigh
this is going nowhere. I still think it is Pooky, but we should be in auto anyways.
Probably going to peace out until Day 5(if I live)

[midwaybear]

No you!

[midwaybear]

Ok, I can self vote. Is that throwing if I'm town?

[midwaybear]

Wait I don't think it is throwing if I don't get eliminated, so I won't self.

[midwaybear]

VOTE: no elim
hee hee pooky

[midwaybear]

Sorry for the tricks, I hope you can forgive me

Nothing to be sorry about

[midwaybear]

I am fine with voting Alisae. Even if we have a town flip, scum Pooky should have no where to go.

[midwaybear]

I could say the same for you.

[midwaybear]

Does a doctor even make sense in this setup. Isn't there a thing called Follow the Cop?

[midwaybear]

That's true, but it didn't take long for Tammy to figure her sanity out.

[midwaybear]

I know I'm town sorry :3

Apology in advance if you are town.
VOTE: Alisae

[midwaybear]

So scum has to sacrifice one of their own to kill a cop? That doesn't seem right.

[midwaybear]

Pooky if you are town, voting you out today ruins the auto win.

[midwaybear]

If you are town, Alisae could have no killed.

[midwaybear]

If pooky dies, my reaction is

[midwaybear]

Interesting that Alisae voted for the no hang option right after I voted Alisae

[midwaybear]

Alisae, I don't actually suspect you. It was just an observation. It seems clear to me that neither of us are getting hanged today.
VOTE: No hang

[midwaybear]

Pooky is still alive? Like that was unexpected

[midwaybear]

This should be a quick day though
pedit: Because I don't have a factional nightkill

[midwaybear]

Doctor doesn't make sense to me in this setup

[midwaybear]

for the memes
pedit:

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Alisae
go ahead with auto plan
still think it is pooky

[midwaybear]

Dude stop with ur tunnel
even I don't think you are 100% scum

[midwaybear]

It's a complicated game

[midwaybear]

But Pooky what you are doing right now is very scummy or just flat out dumb if you are town. We go Alisae today
Tammy checks you tonight
Something happens tmrw

[midwaybear]

peta should die tonight
If I am a godfather, Tammy's check should come up as green on you. Do I think that happens? No.

[midwaybear]

Pooky didn't claim to be a miller, so things should be clear regarding godfather tmrw.

[midwaybear]

If Tammy checks you green, then you can say that.
It's just incorrect to hang me over Alisae today.

[midwaybear]

Can you tell me what is wrong with the step of actions I am proposing?
Sure, it may not make sense to you that Alisae took the actions that e did, but I just got green checked. If I am a godfather, Tammy will check you green and you can push me all you want in LYLO tmrw.
I really don't get what you don't understand, and it is just scummy now.

[midwaybear]

im willing to die first if u guys will kill mwb tomm

theres no world in which alisae or peta r scum

Can we not throw the game?
This current plan is a winning one.

[midwaybear]

I'm hearing voices in the wind...

[midwaybear]

Actually I think pooky scum kills Tammy to try to win me/peta/pooky lylo

[midwaybear]

with pooky/alisae scum?
post 5000

[midwaybear]

Not necessarily, but that shouldn't matter

[midwaybear]

peta

[midwaybear]

nahdia was the only person who vocally townread me

[midwaybear]

he did shoot alisae

but I shot jake before. why would I do that?

[midwaybear]

a mason pair of alisae pooky is higher priority

[midwaybear]

you shoot the mason thats least likely to be protected.

Ok?

[midwaybear]

peta and Tammy know the correct play to make
I'm done talking with Pooky for today. Likely will have to meaningfully interact with him tmrw

[midwaybear]

It's clear Pooky and Alisae are just in their own world, and are not being reasonable at all in how they are approaching the situation.

[midwaybear]

At the very least, pooky is throwing even harder than he did if he is town here. I don't really care that both of you seem to think that I'm scum.
You have to die today based on tammy's check.

[midwaybear]

Ok fine. I suppose I associated you with Pooky too much.
I guess Tammy is waiting for mod confirmation of the Bell check, but other than that I'm not sure what's left for today.

[midwaybear]

I think Pooky is the scum not you.

[midwaybear]

I know that this whole thing is crazy.
But from my perspective, one of you has to be scum unless peta is a godfather or something. For me, the Jake kill probably points away from peta being a godfather.
Pooky's win vector as scum is to kill Tammy and try to convince one of me or peta to vote the other. Of course, that almost never happens.

[midwaybear]

also if you think he's scum why are you voting me and not him

You could still be scum, and voting you out should still be auto.

[midwaybear]

I know. My theory was that Pooky effectively set himself up not to endgame, but ended up having too much fun pretending to be masons. Now, his only way out is to argue that "it is too stupid to do as scum", but he knows he has lost anyways.
Also, that Nahdia kill could be setting up peta gf paranoia? It was definitely weird.

[midwaybear]

Pooky, do you realize how you being town and dying today has the potential to ruin an autowin?

[midwaybear]

Pooky why is it midway and not Peta?

Called it

[midwaybear]

I also threatened to do so privately once or twice.

What do you mean by this?

[midwaybear]

mwb also has been pushing to expand poe all game

There's a difference between expanding POE and making sure that things are what they seem to be.

[midwaybear]

Oh yeah I remember that. Ok, so that is what you meant...

[midwaybear]

Yeah, it's not 100% though which auto should be.

[midwaybear]

its a hella lot better than the 50% id have at 1v1 tomm vs u

Are you protecting Tammy?

[midwaybear]

Just have a feeling Tammy won't be among us Day 7

[midwaybear]

Everybody else doesn't

[midwaybear]

i will accept this premise

[midwaybear]

Huh? A 1v1 between you and me?

[midwaybear]

I don't trust Pooky's read on Alisae enough.

[midwaybear]

i thought you said i was scum dude

Didn't I also say it was not 100%. If you are town, I'm not ok with you going suicidal today.

[midwaybear]

If Tammy green checks you and lives to 3p with me/you/Tammy, I will do something

[midwaybear]

peta, why are you ok with this plan pooky is suggesting

[midwaybear]

I was thinking that you were gf, but then I think that gf wouldn't tank that hard.
Yes, I think you are scum, and I think that should become obvious tmrw

[midwaybear]

i dont know why u r so obsessed with tomm when i am offering to die today

[midwaybear]

Oh yeah Pooky claimed to doc Alisae

[midwaybear]

That's on me. Then I'm probably fine with this plan of Pooky, but something seems wrong. If Pooky is town, geez.

[midwaybear]

Really?

[midwaybear]

My own plan is more solid from my own perspective, but I realize that I don't have much influence here.

[midwaybear]

It makes peta look somewhat bad, but could have been done with that intention. I will admit that I am much more open to considering town Pooky, but I am wondering how his doc claim fits into the setup.
Suicide bomber supposedly resolves before his doc, but I don't think that is necessarily fun towards the scumteam that they have to sacrifice a member to kill a cop/mason. And then there's the whole follow the cop that can apparently happen like it is happening here. If Pooky is really doc, I probably believe that there is a godfather.

[midwaybear]

pooky and alisae probably aren't godfather right?

[midwaybear]

I still like my vote. Killing Alisae today should lead to Pooky scum getting exposed one way or the other. If peta is scum, it still sets up a 1v1 where I should be able to convince Tammy.

[midwaybear]

I don't care for you "taking responsibility".
I want to win and a definite path to victory is assured with Alisae hang.

[midwaybear]

i dont see why mwb wants to kill alisae to expose pooky-scum instead of just killing pooky-scum.

If you are town, I do not know that Alisae is town for sure. I will actually have to think about the game in 3 way which I have the luxury of not doing with my own plan.

[midwaybear]

Yeah Pooky, i could have no killed for literally no reason

I know this is sarcastic, but it is still theoretically possible.

[midwaybear]

My point still stands.
My own plan allows for no doubt.

[midwaybear]

I feel like you are going to say...
the case that I am scum? Or is there something else

[midwaybear]

That is from the perspective that I am scum. However, maybe you should also consider why I am pushing the things that I am pushing as town. It should also check out.

[midwaybear]

Along with setup questions, another reason I'm still thinking it's most likely Pooky is just for his terrible tunnel on me.

[midwaybear]

As I said, you purposefully dying today solely for the purpose of getting me hanged is a throw. I am not mech scum from your perspective, so there is no reason for doing so. "Taking responsibility" for the loss will not erase that fact that you threw.

[midwaybear]

It's not mechanically confirmed.

[midwaybear]

from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum.

peta could be a godfather and Alisae could have no killed

[midwaybear]

Pooky, if you are really a doc, godfather is very likely in this setup.

[midwaybear]

so why is peta NEVER scum

[midwaybear]

If people are really upset that Pooky is throwing, then the other players would have complained.

That's because you guys don't know that I am town
Pooky causing us to lose if he is town is definitely a throw

[midwaybear]

anyway if you think it's pooky why not just put up and flip him now?

My plan should be winning and things are certain for me. If pooky is town, that puts me in f3 with you and alisae where nothing is certain.

[midwaybear]

I'm fine if Pooky just wants me dead. However, him saccing to get me dead makes it a loss and thus a throw.
Not that I approve of my hang in any way shape or form

[midwaybear]

pushing Bulge doesn't necessarily get him shot
I'm pretty sure he needed to keep Bell, DS alive so they could get some util from suicide bomb anyway(in theory if he was scum)

[midwaybear]

peta, Tammy please don't vote me

[midwaybear]

how do we lose?

ummm 4 town one scum
pooky and I both getting hanged when we are both town is a loss

[midwaybear]

i'm not voting you dude

better not

[midwaybear]

you or peta scum gets the other to vote me in lylo
i am not sure what you want me to explain

[midwaybear]

Alisae will you still self

[midwaybear]

I mean scum not killing tammy would be very interesting
I am not sure who scum would be between you or peta. I think Bell saying "scummy lover" is somewhat significant
scum might not necessarily need to 1v1
I really don't get your questions

[midwaybear]

peta, tammy please convince yourselves that I am town(or trust in me) and vote Alisae
This should be gamewinning(no one has pointed out any flaws)

[midwaybear]

I don't need to make effort because my plan gives me a clear path to victory. Do you see any flaws in it?

[midwaybear]

There's no point for pooky to self vote unless I am 100% elimmed tmrw. Thus, if Pooky does not think I am elimmed 100% he should not be saccing.
Now, if pooky does manage to make sure I am hanged 100%, he probably suicides. Scum kills peta and then hang me and we lose.
The important thing is that anything today that doesn't end in hanging you makes the game more difficult for me. It's just how it is.

[midwaybear]

Yeah Peta is cop peaked and I was saved by a doctor

That doesn't point out any flaws. How does my plan cause us to lose under the assumption that I am town? I'm confident I can win 1v1 against peta scum, and pooky scum should be obvious.

[midwaybear]

Well I can just convince tammy and peta
Pooky won't listen to anything I say and I have accepted that. He probably is last scum anyways

[midwaybear]

Yeah yeah, but I'm not locked into that yet which is why I prefer you today.

[midwaybear]

Don't worry if Pooky is scum, it will be obvious tomorrow and we will win. This is just the safest course for me.
Definitely a crazy game.

[midwaybear]

I get how this is frustrating for you if you are town though. I don't want to take any risks.

[midwaybear]

ugh

[midwaybear]

Yes, but if he flips town, I am stuck in lylo with two players one of who has played a great scumgame already on the back foot. Pooky, if scum, should be so so obvious tomorrow. Am I being unreasonable?
pedit: wow

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Pooky
fine...

[midwaybear]

I will probably insta vote you in LYLO if this goes wrong.

[midwaybear]

Pooky just self

[midwaybear]

peta, just vote Pooky? I want to get this over with

[midwaybear]

I was exaggerating, but I might have forgot that factor again.

[midwaybear]

So why are you voting Pooky?

[midwaybear]

This actually makes me scared that you are setting me up for tmrw. But Pooky supposedly doc-ed you, so...

[midwaybear]

Why are you even voting Pooky then? This confuses me.

[midwaybear]

ugh
this is a dilemma

[midwaybear]

midway your wholemindset today has been survival-oriented

That makes sense considering I have a plan that should give me certainty in LYLO.
I might actually go back to voting Alisae because I want that confidence back. We'll see.

[midwaybear]

The only world where this fails is when I am nightkilled.

[midwaybear]

Pooky, if you really think it is me, why do you seem to prefer yourself dead

[midwaybear]

Pretty sure you can get me killed. Everyone except for Tammy probably thinks it is me

[midwaybear]

First of all, DS did address it.
Second, if you are trying to paint the lack of interaction as a w/w interaction, that doesn't work. Would you expect me and DS to want to maximize my cred? That would mean he actually put up a fight against me.

[midwaybear]

So you think Alisae can be scum in town Pooky world?

[midwaybear]

If you really think I didn't believe your claim to the extent that I would kill Jake, I'm pretty sure just killing one of you is the better play because it makes the other look quite bad.

[midwaybear]

Not necessarily

[midwaybear]

Actually maybe

[midwaybear]

What if Pooky is a suicide bomber?

[midwaybear]

Well then you would have lost.

[midwaybear]

There is no plan

[midwaybear]

If Alisae didn't know that Pooky was going to do that, then I think there isn't much weird with the read on Pooky pre claim.

[midwaybear]

I don’t want to die.

[midwaybear]

There could be, but it depends on Pooky’s flip.

[midwaybear]

I think it was Jake.

[midwaybear]

you realize posts like these make me want to vote you, yeah?

Why?

[midwaybear]

DGB, why don't you think it is peta?

[midwaybear]

What do you mean? DGB just replaced in. I've been holding peta!gf as a distant possibility for the whole day?

[midwaybear]

It's not that easy.

[midwaybear]

i guess in the sense that you've been suspicious of

everyone

and wanted to survive more than anything but it wasn't under serious discussion by you until now

I wasn't really trying to push you being scum seriously. I was just asking DGB why she felt that way.

[midwaybear]

It has felt that your mind has fixed on me as scum even though you are trying to make it look like a hard decision. That made me mildly suspicious.

[midwaybear]

i was not that way at all? i was experiencing legitimate anguish earlier in the day

Maybe. It seems like you are being a little lazy right now though by saying things like "I'm just willing to bank it on Pooky town".

[midwaybear]

That seems like a losing attitude to me. Or at least a strategy that is inconsistent in hitting scum. I don't think you should be clearing people just because they played a potentially good game as scum.

[midwaybear]

Also, Pooky is voting me right now. So much for self sacrifice.

[midwaybear]

Probably Pooky

[midwaybear]

I don't know. This game is very interesting. I am definitely less confident, but I still think it is him. peta looks somewhat bad from Nahdia kill, but I haven't thought about other optimal kills.

[midwaybear]

I know that you've been saying that, but I could also see it as you trying to keep POE large as scum. I also feel like Alisae/Pooky scum would have killed you over Nahdia, but that is mostly WIFOM.

[midwaybear]

I'm not townhunting right now and Pooky probably is most likely to be the scum right now. I don't want to lock someone as town and try to auto like that.

[midwaybear]

Also, I don’t think you can call it scummy that I’m not willing to fully put my “trust” in one person.

[midwaybear]

I probably disconnected because all of you think I’m scum. What do you want me to answer for you?

[midwaybear]

Why don't I kill the doc/mason again?

[midwaybear]

Why wouldn't I try on Night 3? Jake was lurking and iirc he literally forgot to do a check on one night.

[midwaybear]

I so want to yeet Alisae right now

Why Alisae before Pooky?

[midwaybear]

Pooky did claim to protect Alisae on the night of the no kill.

[midwaybear]

My original plan was actually to vote Alisae, but I think Pooky is better for today. peta does look alright.

[midwaybear]

Somebody is lying about something somewhere in this game.

What do you mean by this?

[midwaybear]

If peta or I are scum, are there still lies?