Mature Mafia: Game Over

[elvis_knits]

I'm fine with claiming mod powers. I already claimed mine so I have nothing to offer.

I don't see a drawback.

[rajrhcpfreak]

humm, i dont see your claim. can you tell me what post or can you just say it again?

[elvis_knits]

I am the Executioner. I pm whoever is at lynch that they need to post their role info in thread and DIE.

[rajrhcpfreak]

yah i dont see why we shouldn't reveal those.

i can go first since im one of the highest on the vote count.

[Glork]

Dear RAJ,

Please respond to the case I made against you.
Then, please claim.
Then, please die.

XOXO,
Glork

[rajrhcpfreak]

your case is no better than my case against DGB. but i didnt want her to die. it was only a hunch.

ill claim when there is more votes on me.

ill die when you can trick enough people into voting a townie out.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oops, axel not dgb.

but i gues it was the same for both cases.

[Axelrod]

Frankly, a "Mod. Responsibilities" claim might be necessary in order to keep the game going.

It might even be a situation where we would have some kind of agreement that even if a player was killed in the game they would keep up with their "Mod Job" afterwards. At least we

could

theoretically do something like that. I'm not sure where the scum would benefit from that or even necessarily gain any advantage at all - it might depend on the Jobs. Which is another reason to have them all out in the open.

Then if we don't want a deceased player continuing to do that job it can be delegated to someone else (for all I know deceased players lose their Mod Privileges anyway).

[rajrhcpfreak]

i have a feeling the mod will give the responsiblities to someone else. or we are responsible enough to continue our ablities after we die.

[Axelrod]

i have a feeling the mod will give the responsiblities to someone else. or we are responsible enough to continue our ablities after we die.

Well?

How about you just start? You already said you would.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i guess it doesnt matter.


i have no mod ablities.

i guess you all can see why i didnt care about starting or not.

[Glork]

your case is no better than my case against DGB. but i didnt want her to die. it was only a hunch.

ill claim when there is more votes on me.

ill die when you can trick enough people into voting a townie out.

Listen to me, son.

My case is backed by evidence from posts over the course of seventeen pages and the better part of a month.

That alone makes it better than your "let me analyze three Page-One posts then accuse Axel of not doing enough scumhunting" bull. I am not attacking you "on a hunch." Not by a longshot. I'm attacking you because you've been consistently useless, making bad attacks and stealing other people's points for a long, long time. And when you finally got called out on it, point-by-point, your response is to just state that my case isn't very good?

Don't you dare lie to me, boy. You know damned well that my case is better than yours. If you don't want to defend yourself, that's fine by me. It'll make you that much easier to bust.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Random Vote, nothing to see here.
"Gut/Cap Logic on Vote/Bandwagon Time"... translation: Shamelessly wagoning, but claiming to have some "gut" behind it to "justify" it somewhat.
I think this post has been edited, because it originally had RAJ agreeing with my hunch-based Axelvote. Raj claims to see/agree with it, but not enough to jump a second time.
Reiterating his gut-vote on DGB... He asserts that his vote was due to her interactions with others. The extent of DGB's "interactions" at this point were a random-vote on Logic and a tongue-in-cheek comment towards him. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that you could've possibly formed a remotely solid "gut" opinion based on that. Somebody seems triggerhappy.
Throwaway post
This post was a response to a request to explain his Axelhunch. In his three-post PBPA, he openly criticizes Axel's

joke/random vote on Coron

. Axel's second post was still one of the FIRST FIFTEEN POSTS OF THE GAME, and the third post was an elaboration on the second. How could RAJ possibly expect to see meaningful analysis of "current voting trends"? The answer, plain and simple: He couldn't.
In his seventh post, Raj continues his attack on Axel, but states he won't vote for Axel. Axel's response was absolutely justified, and RAJ tries to pass it off as "the worst OMGUS in the world".

ok, i vote off gut. i make a simple comment that my gut is feeling something, dont know if its the same thing. i then get questioned by multiple people to explain a gut feeling. so i did. im sorry that it wasnt the perfect pbp analyis since it was only a gut feeling that didnt even warrent a vote from me.

After some more heat, Raj backs down. He does throw out the comment that those defending Axel are "his scumbuddies."
Kiss and make up with Axel.
The next post is a doozie. Here, we see RAJ actually FoS Adel all on his own. Then he comments on how he wants to jump the Camwagon but won't so as to not "rush a lynch." Awww, how considerate.
Raj implies suspicion of Macros, and throws out a wishy-washy noncomment about how he "wants" to believe Pooks/EK are town but knows he shouldn't trust them. For somebody who eariler ACCUSED AXEL OF MAKING COMMENTS THAT DON'T ADD VALUE TO THE THREAD, this surprises me.
Macros unvotes, and Raj sees only 1 on th Camwagon
Less than 29 hours after saying he'll "hold off" putting Cam at Lynch-1, Raj puts Cam at Lynch-1.

ok the people wanting me to explain a gut feeling were the same defending him. maybe it was a little over dramatic calling them scum buddies.
cam is the scummiest person and i thought that he needed to claim. i especially didnt want a quick lynch day one. so i waited. little did i know that macros was going to unvote and abunch of other people too.
i forgot about voting for him that night so i finally voted for cam like i said i would. especially since he wasnt going to claim.

After Pooky went after Glork/Cam, and DGB posited Glork/Cam/Macros, RAJ "can uy" the scumteam
RAJ mentions WIFOM to debunk EK's defense of me. Not really much to see here.
More WIFOM discussion, strengthened by RAJ claiming he'd reveal exactly what I did. I should also point out that RAJ points out that everyone in the game is a "good player." This comes up in the next post.
Raj asserts his confidence in his scumgroup. He points out that all three people he picked out ended up voting for him, and accuses us all of mere OMGUS.

FIRST

off, I voted for you long before you accused me of being scumm, RAJ... back when you were trying to "suck my ass" (if I may use such a term). I switched off in the interim, but moved back after your

atrocious

"I buy the cam/glork/macros group" post.

SECONDLY

while asserting that we're "good players," RAJ twice implies that we're making extremely obvious/rookie mistakes. First, our agreement with one another apparently makes us a scumgroup. Secondly, we ALL commit the SAME "scumtell" of "OMGUSing" Raj.
I call bullshit. Huge, enormous amounts of bullshit.

ok if you looked at that post agian. i buy those three as a group but i thought that you might not be apart of it and macros and cam were using you to attack townies and then they follow your lead.
making rookie mistakes isn't contridictary to everyone being good players. i have no clue what powers the mafia has. if they are able to edit posts then we may never know what role a dead player was. so in a situation like that players are able to buddy up easier with out being caught. and i dont buy that being a good player means you wont make rookie mistakes. you can wifom with that one.

Raj goes after Cam for not claiming, which I can't really say is especially out of the ordinary. He also defends against EK, claiming that his play here really isn't all that different than usual. (Incidentally, I think that this type of defense is a scumtell in and of itself, but that's neither here nor there.)
Another throwaway
Again, Raj asserts that both (assuming a single scumgroup of three, which I am tentatively assuming) of Cam's scumbuddies are going out of their way to defend him D1.
Pseudo-defense of DGB (not getting "the same scummy vibes" he did on page one).
Throwaway re: editing of Jathan's posts.
"oh i agree" Note also that Raj keeps leeching my interrogation of Cam's behavior even as he claims that I'm Cam's scumbuddy. He'll respond with "distancing, naturally," but I find that hard to swallow.
Misread/Misrepresentation of Cam... obviously I'm biased at this point, so you know which one I think it is.
And, most recently, he agrees with coron that my posting of a list is a point against me.

i dont know the relationship between you and cam. while i bought it earlier i made a mention that you might not be with those other two.
i dont see how playing like you usually do is a scum tell. i play as an aggressive player who likes to bandwagon people. now voting for me and claiming that my behavior is scummy is incorrect if you have ever played with me. and i dont see how claiming protown with no extra abilites (besdies mod abilites) was so hard.

So there you have it:
-Overblown weak (if not nonexistent altogether) arguments.
-Shamless sheeping, leeching, and outright stealing from other people
-Contradictory and hypocritical statements
-Throwaway comments

-no need to agrue against it. they prolly are, but thats just me.
-its pretty clear, you get to lynch -1 you claim. im sorry that getting onto a player for avoiding a claim is leeching. for me there was only one goal and that was to get a claim out of the person who was at lynch -1.
-prolly true.
-i'll make sure ill just stay quiet next time and let the grownups talk next time.




and ill wait to claim when i get more votes, i have no clue what number i'm at.
but im pretty confident in my vote of cam. it seams like it was just a continious battle trying to get him to claim. then is questionable protown alignment. then his protection of certian players and attacks on other makes my gut turn towards him pretty bad.

[Macros]

can we just end the day already?
vote for ngiht or something, god, this as about as entertaining as recieving a rectal exam from an elephant

[Glork]

Macros, you should jump ship from DGB and vote for RAJ instead.

[Macros]

ok

unvote
vote RAJ

[elvis_knits]

I sort of thought RAJ would have SOME power, seeing as he was like "should I reveal it now????"

And then he reveals he has no power.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i just wanted everyone to agree. but since the day has been so slow and people werent responding.

so when Axelrod said to do it i decided not to argue and just get it over with.


i dont like how glork is pushing my lynch. if i started to stall on claiming, would that get me off the hook?

[DrippingGoofball]

The raj wagon is rubbish. The cam wagon is infinitely better.

[Phoebus]

*signs up with macros*

unvote: mathcam ; vote raj

[Adel]

I am not supporting the raj vote for a number of reasons, one of them being that I don't have any mod powers either.

There simply aren't 12 mod duties to hand out, and I'm pretty sure that what mod powers there are were handed out proportionally between town and scum players.

I also doubt that we are in a town free of power roles, and I think we should stick to the general rule of the less we talk about power-roles the better off we are, and I think mod duties should also be thrown in with that group. No talkie talkie says I.

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Why hasn't my case against elvis_knits and mathcam and macros been accepted? It tastes so true to me that I don't understand its lack of support.

[Glork]

Well, Adel.

I think based on my own observations that EK and Cam are both likely town. I don't buy into your theory at all. For the time being, I am willing to believe that your theory is well-intended, but I don't agree with it one bit.

[mathcam]

I don't understand why mathcam took so long to claim if he was vanilla.

That's because you didn't actually read any of my posts. I explained it very clearly and repeatedly there. If you're

actually

curious, and not just pretending to be, I highly recommend them.

Are you really going to refuse to answer a question I begged you to answer? That's pretty harsh.

Cam - why did you decide to claim vanilla instead of making a credible fakeclaim?

Fakeclaims are pretty much always bad, regardless of their credibility.

Cam

[Glork]

I sort of thought RAJ would have SOME power, seeing as he was like "should I reveal it now????"

And then he reveals he has no power.

I thought this, too. This post in particular made me think RAJ had an ability:

yah i dont see why we shouldn't reveal those.

i can go first since im one of the highest on the vote count.

[Axelrod]

I am not supporting the raj vote for a number of reasons, one of them being that I don't have any mod powers either.

There simply aren't 12 mod duties to hand out, and I'm pretty sure that what mod powers there are were handed out proportionally between town and scum players.

I also doubt that we are in a town free of power roles, and I think we should stick to the general rule of the less we talk about power-roles the better off we are, and I think mod duties should also be thrown in with that group. No talkie talkie says I.

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Why hasn't my case against elvis_knits and mathcam and macros been accepted? It tastes so true to me that I don't understand its lack of support.

I would be very surprised to see Elvis turn up scum. She's posted very genuinely the whole game. Mathcam maybe, and Macros definitely maybe, but not Elvis. So in as much as you case relies on some kind of "link" which you are seeing between them, I think it's flawed.

Why don't you think the Mod Powers should be claimed? What do you think the town gains from having them hidden?