Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[Andycyca]

Dammit! I'm gone for a weekend and I found 2 more innocent bodies! Why are we following such random wagons?

[elvis_knits]

vote andycyca

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count

(3) Armlx: (DGB, Jediknight, Farside)
(2) Macavenger: (Erg0, Ooba)
(2) Cavebear: (Pooky, DoS)
(1) Pooky: (Mneme)
(1) Andycyca: (Elvis Knits)
(11) Not voting: (Andycyca, Cavebear, Roland, Lowell, Kabenon, Kison, Macavenger, Armlx, Muerrto, Korlash, Xtoxm)

20 players alive, means 11 votes to lynch.

BM

[Erg0]

Man, I can't leave you guys alone for a minute.

Looks like I have some heavy reading to do...

[Macavenger]

DGB, can you explain why you want to go after armlx? I'm more inclined to trust your motivations than most people in this game since I'm nearly certain you're not a recruit or SK, but I'm not seeing what armlx has done that's worth going after.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, can you explain why you want to go after armlx?

I'm not seeing any of the armlx town tells. I figured a bit of pressure might clarify matters.

[Muerrto]

DGB, can you explain why you want to go after armlx? I'm more inclined to trust your motivations than most people in this game since I'm nearly certain you're not a recruit or SK, but I'm not seeing what armlx has done that's worth going after.

Actually I see DGB leading most of these lynches. What town tells are you seeing from her?

[Macavenger]

DGB, can you explain why you want to go after armlx? I'm more inclined to trust your motivations than most people in this game since I'm nearly certain you're not a recruit or SK, but I'm not seeing what armlx has done that's worth going after.

Actually I see DGB leading most of these lynches. What town tells are you seeing from her?

I'm not seeing town tells specifically - as I noted in the post you quoted, it's a statistics thing based on my protection last night. I'm not getting town or scum vibes from DGB, and statistically she's less likely to be scum than the many other people I don't have a solid read on. It's not like I trust her implicitly. I would believe someone that I'd picked up specific town tells from over DGB. Unfortunately I haven't been getting solid town vibes from anyone, really. Trying to adjust my standards and such to accommodate the speed of this game has been a bit of a head trip. I should probably do a detailed reread in the next couple days.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

What is it with townpeople going down

in a blaze of glory

voluntarily rather than claiming? >_>

unvote, vote Cavebear

Care to provide a reason for that?

[Muerrto]

I'm not seeing town tells specifically - as I noted in the post you quoted, it's a statistics thing based on my protection last night. I'm not getting town or scum vibes from DGB, and statistically she's less likely to be scum than the many other people I don't have a solid read on.

I'm not saying DGB is scum(cult whatever) but I don't like bad statistics. You jailed her, granted. That means we can assume she's not Wayne.

However, unless your role says if you jail a recruiter it doesn't work, you don't know if she's town or a recruiter that didn't get to recruit. Unless something in your PM says otherwise, she has just as much chance of being scum than town.

Again, not saying I suspect her but I don't like bad logic and people following people blindly.

[DrippingGoofball]

vote andycyca

Why?

[DragonsofSummer]

At this point it is really just a gut feeling. Your posting so far rubs me the wrong way, but there isn't anything inherently scummy with it. But with rampant lynching going on gut feelings are sometimes the best imo.

[Muerrto]

I don't like the vote for Bear right after I jokingly suggested it...

FoS: DoS

ah whatever, nowhere near lynch anyway

Vote: DoS

FoS's seem to be pointless atm

[Kison]

Gut feeling is a myth.

What

about her posts rub you the wrong way?

[Lowell]

I like both the DoS and armlx miniwagons.

vote DoS

[armlx]

Gut feeling is a myth.

What

about her posts rub you the wrong way?

Respond to this post please DoS.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote DoS

He used "IMO"

thus obv scum

GG no RE

[Cavebear with a toothache]

Gut feeling is a myth.

What

about her posts rub you the wrong way?

HIS posts. I'm a he. You're the second person to do this exact thing on these boards; is it something I do?

At this point it is really just a gut feeling. Your posting so far rubs me the wrong way, but there isn't anything inherently scummy with it. But with rampant lynching going on gut feelings are sometimes the best imo.

Well, your gut is wrong, I'm town. >_> You seriously can't find anyone who's done anything tangibly scummy?

[Battle Mage]

The Elemental Mafia modding team has discussed the rate at which the town is

self-destructing

constructively quicklynching, and we've decided in the interests of preventing the game from ending on Day 1, to set a maximum limit on the day's lynches. Nothing too restrictive, but a measure to keep the game reasonable.
Today's limit is 8 player deaths, which does not include the N0 kill, or SA's death. Hence you guys have a maximum of 4 lynches remaining today.

Apologies for the change of rule, and thanks for understanding.

Signed

BM
Dahill
Jordan

[ooba]

The Elemental Mafia modding team has discussed the rate at which the town is

self-destructing

constructively quicklynching, and we've decided in the interests of preventing the game from ending on Day 1, to set a maximum limit on the day's lynches. Nothing too restrictive, but a measure to keep the game reasonable.
Today's limit is 8 player deaths, which does not include the N0 kill, or SA's death. Hence you guys have a maximum of 4 lynches remaining today.

Apologies for the change of rule, and thanks for understanding.

Signed

BM
Dahill
Jordan

This is unfair to the town.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

The Elemental Mafia modding team has discussed the rate at which the town is

self-destructing

constructively quicklynching, and we've decided in the interests of preventing the game from ending on Day 1, to set a maximum limit on the day's lynches. Nothing too restrictive, but a measure to keep the game reasonable.
Today's limit is 8 player deaths, which does not include the N0 kill, or SA's death. Hence you guys have a maximum of 4 lynches remaining today.

Apologies for the change of rule, and thanks for understanding.

Signed

BM
Dahill
Jordan

This is unfair to the town.

I agree. Not only do you take away our best weapon and tilt the odds in favor of the scum, but you also make our lynches thus far worth less. You are, in effect, breaking our balls here.

I humbly urge the modding team to reconsider this limit, and ask that the limit either be removed or, failing that, substantially raised.

[Muerrto]

It is kinda bad to set a limit AFTER we lynch 4 town. I'm gonna have to agree with the others.

[Battle Mage]

With such a unique game it is difficult to find a balance that will be perfect with so many variables. In any case, the town has only lynched 1 person today. At the current rate, you won't reach this limit atall, hence this isn't even worth contesting at this point. The decision is final.

[mneme]

A few things to comment on since the last time I'm posted.

Hmm. I'm voting for Pooky? Must have been a replacement somewhere in there; don't remember doing that...

Well, I suppose that we should consider the fact that the CR's saw this bum rushing as a possibility and refrained from recruiting anyone in an effort to make us do their dirty work for them.

I don't like this...I'm caught between thinking that CRs are leading the charge, and that they're likely to be the "calm voices" speaking against the (correct) strategy of "bandwagon early, bandwagon often, lynch pretty often too" the town has been following.

OTOH,

Also, I agree with farside. It does us no good for townie who are -3 or 2 away to just give up. An inventor is a valuable role, if he had claimed that, I would have believed him, because I was just something like an inventor, besides, it seems like there are many odd roles in this game.

Is quite correct; people (on both sides) were getting into the fallacy of assuming people should be lynched just because they get a bandwagon -- when, in fact, the nature of the bandwagon is just as important as the person on the receiving end; correct strategy leads to a lot of lynches in this style of game, but also a lot of bandwagons that don't lead to lynches. Mostly, it just leads to faster play.

Hopefully, if anything good comes out of the mod-imposed lynch limit, (aside from, you know, a more fun game that doesn't end on Day 1 with one person left, after a statistical implosion), it's people -not- giving up as soon as they get bandwagoning, but instead following the normal course of things -- only faster.

Muerto vs Macavenger: Macavenger is trivially correct here. Assuming there are no extra scum roles, we have 5 starting scum, and...hmm. A recruiter will fail if they hit another recruiter (3), a cop (2), the SK (1), the Jester (1), an average of 2 people blocked by other recruiters, and, a dudge in jail (1), and let's estimate 2 more nonrecruitable townies. We know nobody dead was recruited, so lets assume they weren't targetted (fudging, but I've got several other fudge factors here, so let's hope they cancel out). So that's 11/19 of a new recruit for each recruiter (19 choices, of which 8 will fail) -- or 2ish new recruits each night. So there are 7 scum. However, of those 7 scum, the dude put in jail cannot be three of them (not a recruit, not Wayne). So his odds of being scum is only 4/19 -- as opposed to 7/19 for anybody else.

Overall, not liking Muerto's play here at all, actually:

If we're lynching him now cause we're lazy shrug I guess...

Vote: TSN

Someone hammer already lol. I'm used to small games where we care who dies hehe.

Yes, we do very much care about who dies here, why do you ask? The game mechanics just favor us playing Faster. This response seems pretty opprotunistic, actually.

unvote
vote: Muerrto
IGMEOY: Pooky. Suspission isn't dropped just because of a replacement.

[elvis_knits]

vote andycyca

Why?

He's not helping.

I feel that some scum have got to be sitting back and letting us just attack each other. And it is probably intimidating for some of them that this town is playing fast and loose. Yes, we haven't killed any scum, but the wagons are swinging quickly, which is scary to them. So I suspect some scum, at least, don't want to be too high profile today.

I also approve of DoS wagon.