OPEN 649 — PICK YOUR POWER X/Y. EXPERIMENT OVER.

[Zachstralkita]

My earlier reads don't even need to factor into this if you think about it

[Zachstralkita]

I really hate to disappoint you but I'm not scum lol

What evidence surrounding me indicates I'm scum? The part where you said Dunn would vote you and the part where I said Dunn would vote me? And the part where I said if Dunn was the NK you'd STILL Be saying I was scum?

Do you want to try that one again?

I mentioned

Zachary

seems difficult to read this way, and I doubt I would tell the difference on alignments, but gotta go with what I know.

slip

[Zachstralkita]

That's probably why I didn't die earlier...there is literally ALWAYS room for anyone to scumread me EVER. No question.

[Zachstralkita]

Can no one see how Firebringer's reaching like he tore a fucking tendon???

[Zachstralkita]

I really hate to disappoint you but I'm not scum lol

What evidence surrounding me indicates I'm scum? The part where you said Dunn would vote you and the part where I said Dunn would vote me? And the part where I said if Dunn was the NK you'd STILL Be saying I was scum?

Do you want to try that one again?

I mentioned

Zachary

seems difficult to read this way, and I doubt I would tell the difference on alignments, but gotta go with what I know.

slip

If you are not scum you may want to reconsider vote, if you are then it doesn't matter.

YOu DIDNT


ANSWER

MY QUESTION ?????????????????????????

[Zachstralkita]

I asked for your evidence because you said exactly

" The evidence points toward Zach being scum "

So then the NATURAL response is for me to be like well I'd like to determine you know where is the basis of this accusation so I can say exactly why it's wrong he probably said but I would like him to reiterate all of it in a single one post?

And then you dodge me like Dunn dodges webcams, photographs, microphones, and sunlight?

WHAT

[Zachstralkita]

IM NOT GONNA LET THIS SLIDE

[Zachstralkita]

HE IS STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION like I avoid headphones and the " left " direction in CSGO












(Dunn will get this )

[Zachstralkita]

NONONONONO YOU LITERALLY

YOU LITERALLY SAID

In essence the evidence surrounding zach seems to indicate he is the most likely one who is scum.

So how is it my fault when I ask you to..........explain said evidence and you Matrix dodge that shit?

I still want to know how you feel either way and you deflecting it is the worst thing ever.

HE IS STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION like I avoid headphones and the " left " direction in CSGO












(Dunn will get this )

Your question is shit and I explained it earlier.

I asked you to explain it again..

UNVOTE:
dammit

welp I guess this is happening again

[Zachstralkita]

IM NOT GONNA LET THIS SLIDE

So you think my grand plan as scum, is to come in here say "I think such might be scum but I am going to vote kraska instead" then say I gone read you as town and want to give you the win if you are scum.

And you home in on the "I think he might scum" parts rather than anything else as "reaching"
It's like you deliberately ignore everything else but someone called you scum.

Because the " I want to let you win if you're scum " is such a dumb play that no one expects it LOL

EVEN KRASKA UNVOTED

[Zachstralkita]

*Deploys Dunnstral beacon*

NONONONONO YOU LITERALLY

YOU LITERALLY SAID

In essence the evidence surrounding zach seems to indicate he is the most likely one who is scum.

So how is it my fault when I ask you to..........explain said evidence and you Matrix dodge that shit?

I still want to know how you feel either way and you deflecting it is the worst thing ever.

HE IS STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION like I avoid headphones and the " left " direction in CSGO












(Dunn will get this )

Your question is shit and I explained it earlier.

I asked you to explain it again..

UNVOTE:
dammit

welp I guess this is happening again

It's not ducking dodging when I explained it fucking earlier you idiot.

" explain it again concisely "

" nah "


o....k

[Zachstralkita]

I asked for your evidence because you said exactly

" The evidence points toward Zach being scum "

So then the NATURAL response is for me to be like well I'd like to determine you know where is the basis of this accusation so I can say exactly why it's wrong

he probably said

but I would like him to reiterate all of it in a single

one post?

You think if I was scum I'd be trying to help the guy that wants me to win as scum and not fiercely opposing him LMFAO




Are we really going to continue to work off of this assumption?

[Zachstralkita]

evidence points to you zach, what you have to say to all that?

The fact dunnstral is more likely to vote me.
I was more likely to push kraska by comments i made yesterday
giga apparently strong town read kraska.

I mean, it looks like you setup to do a mislynch on me or kraska.
....

this stuff that i... responded to

exactly

when you said it and you still using it as reasoning is boggling.

I guess the point is why even indicate that " I'm probably scum " if you intend to do nothing about it? That looks bad either way and you not understanding why I'm suspecting you as a result of that is kind of why we're still going in a circle.

[Zachstralkita]

I just actually want to poke my head in to point out that it is very odd that kraska unvotes and then calls you scum a sentence later

okay I am gone again

[Zachstralkita]

Fire if you're town tho why is self voting an actual option for you, even tho I haven't moved my vote it's not like Dunn would just swoop in and hammer you off top and I can.. I can read words.. kraska's wishy-washiness has not gone unnoticed by me

You'll notice I haven't mentioned selfvoting in the fashion that kraska is familiar with because if I was being pushed hard and I should happen to selfvote out of spite and we lose then its my fault like I can't even blame the people who vote me. Is this not the same way to you?

[Zachstralkita]

Fire if you're town tho why is self voting an actual option for you, even tho I haven't moved my vote it's not like Dunn would just swoop in and hammer you off top and I can.. I can read words.. kraska's wishy-washiness has not gone unnoticed by me

You'll notice I haven't mentioned selfvoting in the fashion that kraska is familiar with because if I was being pushed hard and I should happen to selfvote out of spite and we lose then its my fault like I can't even blame the people who vote me. Is this not the same way to you?

I don't trust dunnstral skill as town to solve this game.

Be that as it may... he's the cop clear so appealing to him is necessary in almost all situations

Is me being a little dumbfounded at how this playing out somehow uncalled for?

As of right now you have both done things which have made me go what the fuck which is a change from the start of today for me.

anyway IF YOURE ACTUALLY TOWN
can you do a thing please
why do you think zach is scum

He's voting you...

[Zachstralkita]

He's voting you...

he also said he wants you to win?

if I'm scum.. which I am not............................................................. that was sort of why we had that entire engagement

I don't really believe Fire would throw the game as town(But it's not like I would know), the shit that I have said to him just inspires no faith in me evidently. And he said he doesn't trust Dunnstral lmfao

[Zachstralkita]

CHarloux is right about him being possible lynch bait tomorrow regardless.
If its not him, scum are going to push him tomorrow, and I think town will want to lynch him too.

So its kind of good to cop clear him by lynching him, if that makes sense.
Meh.

Its not giga or dunnstral. That tells me game should be theoretically really simple.

ok this post was a really bad one from fire tbh, I explained this before but I'll do it again

there was no need for us to cop clear anyone when we could have found scum yesterday if Charloux was willing to cooperate. I lynched him because I thought he was scum, not because I wanted to narrow it down in terms of more likely town lol.

did i forget i made this

okay this hasn't been addressed since I brought it up right there so REALLY QUICK explain if that was the actual thought you held

Like if Charloux was here right now...... no one would be like " Hey... this guy's kinda fucking easy to lynch? "

He would just have been speedlynched?

[Zachstralkita]

*Deploys Dunnstral beacon*

I don't know why you've been going crazy since the start of the day, I've been asking you about firebringer and kraska because those are the two I'm considering voting (Note: not you)

The vast majority of my posts have been on the subject of those two

I just actually want to poke my head in to point out that it is very odd that kraska unvotes and then calls you scum a sentence later

okay I am gone again

Do you think it's possible kraska is mafia here

Before we get to that I want your opinion on what I said in #3670 and if you think it holds water while we wait for Fire's response

Also it's possible, the main thing I've learned in the last few pages is that kraska's play today has been worse than literally her play for the entire rest of the game

[Zachstralkita]

So what are you mainly feeling..

[Zachstralkita]

I MEAN

WHICH ONE ARE YOU LEANING TOWARD THATS WHAT YOU'RE FEELING

[Zachstralkita]

HAHAHA

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT

YOU HAVE TO TELL ME NOTHING

I KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS ALREADY PROBABLY BUT YOU DIDNT... EVALUATE ANYTHING?

TO YOU KNOW, BE RIGHT? YOU A1?

[Zachstralkita]

oh i thought u thought it was a 60/40 type of deal for fire

maybe 70/30

[Zachstralkita]

Zach let me hear your INSIGHT as to why fire is mafia over kraska

I'm not a broken record I just want to think this over

That really to me relies more on Kraska being town

like.. do you think all that lolhammering and blatant apathy is scum trying to blindside us.. with not give-a-fuck-ness?

If not then the kraska theory is valid but to me kraska's play has only been bad today unless I'm totally reading her wrong

[Zachstralkita]

You could also say that Fire seems like he's fed up with something but it all comes down to whether you believe a few small points have merit or not

[Zachstralkita]

Zach let me hear your INSIGHT as to why fire is mafia over kraska

I'm not a broken record I just want to think this over

That really to me relies more on Kraska being town

like.. do you think all that lolhammering and blatant apathy is scum trying to blindside us.. with not give-a-fuck-ness?

If not then the kraska theory is valid but to me kraska's play has only been bad today unless I'm totally reading her wrong

If so*

[Zachstralkita]

You could also say that Fire seems like he's fed up with something but it all comes down to whether you believe a few small points have merit or not

Fed up with what?

My existence

your existence

kraska's existence

[Zachstralkita]

kraska voted twice lmfao

[Zachstralkita]

thought u was SLICK??

[Zachstralkita]

I wonder what people in the dead chat are screaming about now.

probably me

how was that REREAD..

[Zachstralkita]

hey fire I know it seems trivial but you never answered what I said about Charmander. Oblige me, please. Dunn doesn't care but it might fill a void in my little heart. An important void.

[Zachstralkita]

CHarloux is right about him being possible lynch bait tomorrow regardless.
If its not him, scum are going to push him tomorrow, and I think town will want to lynch him too.

So its kind of good to cop clear him by lynching him, if that makes sense.
Meh.

Its not giga or dunnstral. That tells me game should be theoretically really simple.

ok this post was a really bad one from fire tbh, I explained this before but I'll do it again

there was no need for us to cop clear anyone when we could have found scum yesterday if Charloux was willing to cooperate. I lynched him because I thought he was scum, not because I wanted to narrow it down in terms of more likely town lol.

did i forget i made this

okay this hasn't been addressed since I brought it up right there so REALLY QUICK explain if that was the actual thought you held

Like if Charloux was here right now...... no one would be like " Hey... this guy's kinda fucking easy to lynch? "

He would just have been speedlynched?

[Zachstralkita]

But that's why I voted.. and strong arm pushed that one..


And the fact that he was like " FUCK YOU, VOTE ZACH " did not really help it.. I was saying that you said he would have been lynched anyway, and I'm pretty sure that would have been contested were we in that situation (MYLO with Charloux). I'm just saying that post reads to me like Charloux had to be lynched, which is what I was trying to clarify if it was the case or not.

And I was the main one pressuring Charloux for most of the game, if I'm not mistaken.


@Dunn do you think kraska towntold.. yes or no

[Zachstralkita]

Note: I'm not saying " YOU VOTED CHARLOUX? YOU'RE SCUM " in that post. that's NOT what that post is saying, obviously.

[Zachstralkita]

@Dunn do you think kraska towntold.. yes or no

...what do you think

Your opinion.. is important

I'm saying would you say the lolhammers and stuff and " im not going to read the game lol " is town or..

because that was my initial thought

[Zachstralkita]

*tumbleweed composed of skelda's antlers blows in the wind*

[Zachstralkita]

If it was Zach, Dunn would have no issue Jesus Christ crucifixion nail hammering my ass.. but it's not. I'm really too tired to keep re iterating this, LMAO


and you're really just sowing these SEEDS OF DECEPTION inside of Dunn's mind. He's very susceptible to those, you know.

[Zachstralkita]

Die you player who I like but also can't get them to vote kraska!

I was considering it lol, I have absolutely no clue why Dunns acting like SpongeBob with no water though

you're really just sowing these SEEDS OF DECEPTION inside of Dunn's mind

But sowing seeds of deception in Dunn mind is fun

Dunnception.

okay so the fanfic is going to be called Dunnception, and we have to include those jailing fantasy elements that were mentioned before in thread.

[Zachstralkita]

kraska is your O key broken or are you on your 2008 blackberry

yeah i bet you've got one of those, you seem the type.

[Zachstralkita]

How fanfiction-y are we talking here, like fuzzy handcuffs and visual kei hair, or..?

Wow they're ganging up on me!!!!
Zach ur face is 2008 bb type

You tried. You did try, maybe one day you'll do good at a joke.

[Zachstralkita]

You start it Fire, you know I don't respond well to pressure

[Zachstralkita]

I don't know if that's a good idea, because Dunn himself is an enigma

I've never seen the man's face nor heard his voice, mind you.

He should be a central point of it tho

[Zachstralkita]

I was going to say he's more like Kakashi except the mask goes all the way up his face

crossed with a mute Wesley Snipes from Blade who happens to be a pacifist

[Zachstralkita]

The experiment were very horrific, and of course design by the one true villain who could do the for to where to go.

I tried to keep it in true Firebringer essence

[Zachstralkita]

we should fucking PL you for that drivel

[Zachstralkita]

" Hey! " the one known as kraska, who was the assistant of the nefarious villain, entered the room. " How can I help? ? ? ? ? ? "



" ....... " the now unnamed villain said. It was clear he wanted her to leave. Immediately.

[Zachstralkita]

If I'm being completely honest Fire is looking townier than kraska..

[Zachstralkita]

I guess my real question Dunn is have you thought about it or...

[Zachstralkita]

You haven't met your goddamn cat image quota, Firebringer

also doing like my second re-skim now lol

[Zachstralkita]

Why is nobody following my vote

I was looking stuff over and......doing other things

VOTE: kraska

[Zachstralkita]

Zach why did you change votes to kraska?

I've been saying the whole day how your play has looked more and more townie, while kraska's has not and I've only given her a pass up to now because before I didn't think the general behavior she displayed would be how she played as scum. But I don't know how she plays as scum.

LOL and now she votes me

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not really impressed by the AtE and trying to push the implication that we're doing the wrong thing when she's taken a nonchalant attitude the whole game and is only now shifting this because she's in danger.



I've looked at Umlaut's minimal posts, and I didn't judge her on Wake's content because Wake is Wake.

[Zachstralkita]

Sigh. Fire if you're town don't. Hammer. It's Zach.
Otherwise gg.

It's hardly my fault if you get swayed by this, Fire. No pressure.

kraska can now not get away with pushing you whatsoever. This is her only option.


I've indicated why I'm not scum before with actual factual stuff, and I've pretty must just indicated why kraska is. There's not some magical new thing that's going to pop up and give you a lightbulb either way. You either trust what I'm saying or don't. The reason I was lynched in LYLO before and town lost was off of " gut. " No matter what I said. If Dunn explained anything he was thinking maybe you could see things easier, but I don't blame him for not because this decision is evident here.

For me to be scum here I'd have to have placed my life in Dunn's hands at this moment, effectively, by not NKing him, which is the last thing I'd do regarding a lot of things, and it would be especially true in a situation where my victory or loss is dependent on it. But I'm not in that scenario, I'm not scum, you are clear, Dunn is clear, now my job is to convince you to lynch scum.

You can call this WIFOM, but then I retort by calling the giga NK WIFOM by kraska.

Seriously Zachary, why the change?

Where exactly did you miss when I've illustrated and nuanced the changes in my thought process? I'm not that fucking dumb as to hard tunnel in MYLO without considering things, lack of thinking on my part is probably what got us to this point this game. I'll give you that.

Besides the fact that you just confirmed yourself, even before that your actions are very difficult to place in a scum mindset if I look at everything. My posts indicate this as well.

[Zachstralkita]

Do you want to like, claim scum a second time? Dunn is conf. As town you shouldn't even be going for that angle here and rather should try to appeal to him.

It's pretty much a wrap and there's very little else I can say that I have not already. If Fire reads everything I've said in the last few posts in depth as well as my progression throughout today in my ISO and STILL votes me, then our loss is on him.

[Zachstralkita]

That would not be because he is "volatile". It's because Dunn

is

the man who is known to see me as scum at every given point he can, and knowing this, if I was entering into a scum game, his ass would probably be dead by day 3 max. That WAS the point.

Speculating on what giga would do is the same as me speculating on what Dunn would do if Dunn wasn't here. I would get an argument tossed at me either way for various reasons and be seen in the wrong.

As town you shouldn't even be going for that angle here and rather should try to appeal to him.

"As town" :^)
Oh yeah? Idc his naked vote is shit and I'm calling him out on it

You don.'t.. you don't get to use that face...you scum.

His naked vote is the right decision, and that's probably why you're so upset about it. You're going to be the one really smiling if you manage to get me lynched here.

[Zachstralkita]

I have plenty of these ready to hand out if you fuck up here. My fury will not be quelled.

[Zachstralkita]

LOSS. HOLD THIS LOSS.

Conversely: Hold this W(win)

[Zachstralkita]

Bitching in endgame if I get hammered will be minimally satisfying in a really petty way, but I'd rather fucking have us win and take all the credit, dammit. For once.

Oh, I guess you can tag along too.

[Zachstralkita]

not recently but I have some top notch films on DECK

Place Beyond the Pines, for instance. GOAT.

I have plenty of these ready to hand out if you fuck up here. My fury will not be quelled.

Shutup zach

you know im not fucking joking

[Zachstralkita]

Can you both like, not use any attempts at AtE for this point of the game?
Its really disgusting to read.

My whole life is one big attempt at AtE

[Zachstralkita]

Not voting therefore confirmed.

AND THEY WANTED ME TO HAMMER YOU

Congratulations

now we just have an implosion situation on our hands

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn am I lying lol

[Zachstralkita]

Have you not done that. Is that not what you do.

[Zachstralkita]

kraska teach me how to get away with stuff you have this mastered

[Zachstralkita]

hmm yeah i kinda forgot about that
anyway
so zach...am i supposed to sit here and keep insisting ure scum and im town? thats kinda gross nd i dont fancy doing that tbh

[Zachstralkita]

i just checked my role pm and im still town yep

I didn't need to check mine because I know what I am, and you're still lying ;^)

[Zachstralkita]

................................................Skipping would make it more likely that I get ML'd LOL, if you guys let kraska go for one day why would you not let her go for two?

We're meant to solve the game right here, we have 2 confs... the only thing you benefit from a NL is the NK information, which could or could not be guided to direct a certain reaction, which we'll spend at least half of the next day bullshitting about.






Giga said not to skip, too.

[Zachstralkita]

If she were live she might have said something like " don't skip? "

Or we could ask kraska, the giga expert but then again we could not because her intentions have been evil since the START OF THIS FUCKING GAME

[Zachstralkita]

They. They. I'm always a dipshit about pronouns. It's too easy to forget.

Zach, where is the damn cute cat gifs.

This is all you get, you big meanie.


Dunn that's me ^

[Zachstralkita]

are you missing one of your ears!?!?!?!?

..........I might be

[Zachstralkita]

snow covered in my fucking blood when I get stabbed

or roped

with knife-y rope


you're not gonna get away with this

[Zachstralkita]

Frankly I want you both lynched at this moment.

What, come on. You can't play with my emotions like that. We were supposed to lubricant.

[Zachstralkita]

Frankly I want you both lynched at this moment.

What, come on. You can't play with my emotions like that. We were supposed to lubricant.

what-

You slept on the earless kitten.

[Zachstralkita]

Fire what are you drinking on

[Zachstralkita]

I thought this was a hotchocolate
Turns on its ANOTHER ALMOST50

[Zachstralkita]

*system of a down surges into my head*

That's one of those pop bands you youngsters like these days, right?

How did I miss this comment? I'm glad we lynched Vedith now LLOL

[Zachstralkita]

Everything is.

[Zachstralkita]

Yep.

[Zachstralkita]

Lol and Zach has done jack shit?

[Zachstralkita]

Finnesestral™

[Zachstralkita]

Was a fluke tbh

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn.

Anyways GG, I had to avenge my fallen.

[Zachstralkita]

*tackle hugs Zach*

You did it!

AyyyyyyyyYYY I couldn't let them just get away with killing you guys, I had to finish what we started.

Sorry to whoever I inadvertently pissed off over the course of this game(Charloux) that's just the way she rolls

I do wanna peep that Dead PT, tho

Chrim and Shadow_step town MVPs. There was a point at the game I was legitimately in fear.

[Zachstralkita]

She definitely called Maria, DEFINITELY called KTS, and wanted to lynch me too.

*tries to sneak off with scum mvp*

Ma boi.

K77 was disgustingly obvious town though

One final thing:

MariaR, the mafia vigilante,

hope you dont mind transcend i borrowed some of your blood cells to pull off this win


the spiky collars and handcuffs were not necessary at all for this win though, that was all me

[Zachstralkita]

She definitely called Maria, DEFINITELY called KTS, and wanted to lynch me too.

*tries to sneak off with scum mvp*

Ma boi.

K77 was disgustingly obvious town though

One final thing:

MariaR, the mafia vigilante,

hope you dont mind transcend i borrowed some of your blood cells to pull off this win


the spiky collars and handcuffs were not necessary at all for this win though, that was all me

Ohh you meant in reads that makes sense
I thought you meant play

Her scumhunting was effective too. I just make people ( and myself ) look straight SILLY

[Zachstralkita]

Go for it

[Zachstralkita]

& I don't have dead PT access

[Zachstralkita]

Kraska can't shoulder the blame for Town loss, Fire himself said her play was scummy of his own volition as did Dunn I just manipulated it

Although her lack of a fight did not help.. I'm still surprised I took this though, I thought it was a wrap after Maria and KTS fell in rapid succession

[Zachstralkita]

Giga you were one of the ones that kinda townread me the entire game so I tried to WIFOM the last nightkill, I actually believed that you'd probably be more inclined to vote me.

Throughout the last day I did a lot of shit that convinced me I was going to lose, especially when I took the chance and put the hammer vote in Fire's hands.

[Zachstralkita]

I never mentioned I was Vengeful Mafia, by the way. I definitely didn't know the game would end up like this pregame.

[Zachstralkita]

oh and your claim was scummy as hell too lol

It's a good thing you came around after I put you six feet under. Trusting my intuition was right after all.

I can't wait to read the dead PT LOL

[Zachstralkita]

YO when shadow claimed that guilty I was legitimately considering CCing that, like in the PT we were hella shook

I am so glad I didn't do that LMFAO

[Zachstralkita]

Follow your feels forever

[Zachstralkita]

i'm missing something...?

but actually i'm feeling better about a charloux l

ynch now, i guess someone who has shadow the hedgehog as their avatar and literally talks like him (i don't know i don't care about sonic) is probably going to be really edgy and... like that. it's believable but really awful lmfao

VOTE: Charloux

LMAO this post sealed it for you tbh


i get upset as town too but people don't really treat you seriously when you do which actually makes you more upset

i know you guys won but you should have distanced some more... fire and vedith were legit contenders for scum #3 because I was expecting SOME distancing between you guys lol

maybe it was better that you didn't actually

That's why I hard defended everyone.

[Zachstralkita]

don't have high expectations btw, our pt is pretty lackluster

[Zachstralkita]

LMAOO

yeah maria was amazing

[Zachstralkita]

Charloux, sorry if I was aggravating. Had to play to win.

o no.. that spoiler absolutely RUINED me

[Zachstralkita]

The third might be the one that wins this for us tho lmao

Because we taught them everything we know clearly I mean we could of won if we WANTED to but we thought it's time to go easy

Oh this is how it was huh Maria? HUH?

[Zachstralkita]

OH OH MY TEAMMATES SWITCHED UP ON ME IN THE DEAD PT I SHOULD HAVE THREW THIS MOTHERFUCKER

[Zachstralkita]

no I'm literally going to throw you

pick an altitude

[Zachstralkita]

hey i'd never harm a scum buddy of mine, i only know how to spell one word and its LOYLALTY

[Zachstralkita]