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[JDodge]

JD: Stop putting words in my mouth. Me saying I didn't rule something out doesn't mean it is the most likely solution. I simply wasn't going to jump to conclusions and counterclaim him right away. Did I overanalyze the shit out of the entire situation? Of course. Believe it or not, people do that sometimes. Not everyone is perfect like you.

It's not just that you're jumping to conclusions, it's that you decided not to on the basis of

the single most asinine, twisted conclusion you could possibly come to, one that makes no sense in anything other than a setup assembled by a bunch of braindead monkeys on a bad acid trip with a typewriter with a broken "n" key

.

Its looking more like I will be lynched. If that happens, I want everyone to look at spring. I think she is the most likely to be scum out of those who have pushed for my lynched. She seems like the one looking for an opportunistic lynch on me. I'm very surprised JD is voting for me, as he can usually read me very well, but he is a blur right now. I don't really know how he plays as scum, and I can never read him. I think panzer is sincere in thinking that I'm an sk.

I don't think that you know what you're talking about, honestly.

But even if he can only vote himself, it doesn't make him town. UA isn't even making an effort to find scum. He's sitting back, playing minecraft and coasting through the entire game. He's not helping the town; he doesn't want to help the town.

If you couldn't vote for anyone but yourself, thus making you useless as anything other than a brain, wouldn't you rather play minecraft than take a front seat?

[UltimaAvalon]

Ok, I really don't feel like tiptoeing around a half-reveal anymore, so I'll just claim

I'm UltimaAvalon - Compulsive Self-Voter. I'm also a Survivor
My first post of the day, I HAVE to self-vote. After that, I can only change my vote ONCE the rest of the day. I can never unvote or even move it back to me.

The astute will notice (Oh look, GW already did) that on Day 1, my votes were all over the place. I received permission from the mod that as long as there was a King, and votes didn't matter, I would not be penalized for breaking my restriction.

At the moment, I'm conflicted. Part of me wants to kill Scot, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly for OMGUS/Easy Lynch reasons. The other part wants to see JDodge burn, not so much because I think he's scum, but because I really hate it when he controls the town like this, and his constant pandering to the one person who might be a threat to him doesn't help.



I agree that I'm absolutely useless, not just as a role, but as a player. I just read through Day 2 and my reads are all over the place.

Except for Shanba, but he's always town.

fuck this game

[mykonian]

Page 13 now.

Day one, I had serious problems with the play of UA and Scot. More with Scot because UA seemed to have thoughts of his own while Scot just played to survive while budding up to JD.

vote Scot

.

I couldn't find it in thread, but

GW

who of the players in the game have you already played with, and why did you choose JD to be king?

SL and JD seem town to me, Scot is scum.

[Shanba]

I believe the claim. Kinda hilarious that he got himself as his role, but it makes sense. Plus, UAscum was under no pressure to claim there, and survivor is always an icky claim to make as scum. So yeah.

Given that, and given deadomancult, I think it's unlikely there's an sk as well - that would be three non-town roles already, and then we'd have to add in UK's killer (who I reckon is most likely scum, since uk was pretty townish). If scot is scum, I think we don't have a proper mafia group - and on that note, I also think it's unlikely scot is mafia fakeclaiming vig.

JD: I can compromise on przac if necessary.

[mykonian]

So... Does Flava's replacement feel like posting yet? Don't care, do it anyway. We're on a tight schedule, you see, and if you attempt to sail your way past the deadline without saying anything, I will push for your lynch before the day is over with.

When I entered, I think I told you when I would be posting. It has something to do with real life.

I really don't like UA's claim. It allows him to do absolutely nothing. Plus that it could easily have been thought up during the start of D2.

I think I'm going to leave setup speculation to the people who know something about it.

[JDodge]

I believe the claim. Kinda hilarious that he got himself as his role, but it makes sense. Plus, UAscum was under no pressure to claim there, and survivor is always an icky claim to make as scum. So yeah.

Given that, and given deadomancult, I think it's unlikely there's an sk as well - that would be three non-town roles already, and then we'd have to add in UK's killer (who I reckon is most likely scum, since uk was pretty townish). If scot is scum, I think we don't have a proper mafia group - and on that note, I also think it's unlikely scot is mafia fakeclaiming vig.

JD: I can compromise on przac if necessary.

Don't you find it odd that scot didn't counter-claim MBF if he thought that MBF was telling the truth, given that being un-NKable there is no risk to himself unless people don't believe him over MBF (unlikely)? I can't think of a legit train of thought aside from aforementioned canyon-via-rocketcycle leap of logic why scot wouldn't counter-claim but would call him out there.

[scotmany12]

It's not just that you're jumping to conclusions, it's that you decided not to on the basis of

the single most asinine, twisted conclusion you could possibly come to, one that makes no sense in anything other than a setup assembled by a bunch of braindead monkeys on a bad acid trip with a typewriter with a broken "n" key

.

As I said, sometimes people make mistakes. I find it odd that you think I would counterclaim right away rather than have all the information. If you found it so odd, why did you unvote me at first?

If you couldn't vote for anyone but yourself, thus making you useless as anything other than a brain, wouldn't you rather play minecraft than take a front seat?

If I was town with that role, I would claim with my first post, and attempt to find scum, and use my one vote to the best of my ability to beat scum. If I was a survivor, I would still claim, though UA's current play makes sense as a survivor.

Unvote; UA, Vote: Mykonian

Don't care if this is going to look like omgus. I already explained that my low activity during day one was due to my personal situation, and I don't see how I was pandering up to jd at all. Was it me voting for karen like anyone else? Was it me going after mbf even though JD said he wouldn't lynch him? Or was it me answering his question that he posed to everyone, and a majority of the people answered?

[mykonian]

Unvote; UA, Vote: Mykonian

Don't care if this is going to look like omgus. I already explained that my low activity during day one was due to my personal situation, and I don't see how I was pandering up to jd at all. Was it me voting for karen like anyone else? Was it me going after mbf even though JD said he wouldn't lynch him? Or was it me answering his question that he posed to everyone, and a majority of the people answered?

Yes, all those

combined

. Tunneling on MBF was the easy way, no need to find another target. All you tried to do was show some scumhunting.

Though I appreciate your effort, I have to say that I'm startled by seeing a deflection to the rest of the game and and such a vote in one post. Vezok could have done it, but you, scot? I'm disappointed.

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 2.6

Scotmany12 [3] (Panzerjager, JDodge, Mykonian)
Mykonian [3] (Shanba, Springlullaby, Scotmany12)
UltimaAvalon [1] (UltimaAvalon)
Panzerjager [1] (Prozac)

Not Voting [1] (Ghostwriter)

With 9 players present, it will take 5 votes to lynch!

Prodding: No one. Pestering Panzer on AIM.

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Deadline:

October 17th, evening.

[JDodge]

It's not just that you're jumping to conclusions, it's that you decided not to on the basis of

the single most asinine, twisted conclusion you could possibly come to, one that makes no sense in anything other than a setup assembled by a bunch of braindead monkeys on a bad acid trip with a typewriter with a broken "n" key

.

As I said, sometimes people make mistakes. I find it odd that you think I would counterclaim right away rather than have all the information.

What information could you possibly need other than someone else claiming your role?

If you found it so odd, why did you unvote me at first?

Sorry, I'm mildly schizophrenic on Sundays. You'll have to ask my laundry basket.

If you couldn't vote for anyone but yourself, thus making you useless as anything other than a brain, wouldn't you rather play minecraft than take a front seat?

If I was town with that role, I would claim with my first post, and attempt to find scum, and use my one vote to the best of my ability to beat scum. If I was a survivor, I would still claim, though UA's current play makes sense as a survivor.

Because scum have no reason whatsoever to keep a survivor alive when the survivor gets to choose which side he wants to be on. Nor does any possible, for example,

NK immune miller vig

.

Don't care if this is going to look like omgus.

YOU GO GIRL

I already explained that my low activity during day one was due to my personal situation,

doesn't really jive all that well with

Myk is in the same boat as UA right now, and if he doesn't start posting soon he should die too.

when you consider

yeah, hi. I don't feel like posting, but if there are things you need to know from me, ask it now. I might answer you tomorrow.

which is pretty damn obviously "personal situation"

[JDodge]

Honestly, I'm not going to move my vote off of scot today. I'm convinced that if he's not scum he's town that is functionally retarded; this is not someone I want to keep alive when they have a NK.

[Shanba]

I believe the claim. Kinda hilarious that he got himself as his role, but it makes sense. Plus, UAscum was under no pressure to claim there, and survivor is always an icky claim to make as scum. So yeah.

Given that, and given deadomancult, I think it's unlikely there's an sk as well - that would be three non-town roles already, and then we'd have to add in UK's killer (who I reckon is most likely scum, since uk was pretty townish). If scot is scum, I think we don't have a proper mafia group - and on that note, I also think it's unlikely scot is mafia fakeclaiming vig.

JD: I can compromise on przac if necessary.

Don't you find it odd that scot didn't counter-claim MBF if he thought that MBF was telling the truth, given that being un-NKable there is no risk to himself unless people don't believe him over MBF (unlikely)? I can't think of a legit train of thought aside from aforementioned canyon-via-rocketcycle leap of logic why scot wouldn't counter-claim but would call him out there.

It is kinda odd, uhh... hrm.

Scot's vote on myko is weaksauce.

Hey SL, what are your thoughts on scot?

[springlullaby]

Hey SL, what are your thoughts on scot?

Funny, I wanted to ask you the same.
Right now I going to do a reread, back to you guys in 2 hours.

[Shanba]

SL: I'm wavering in my conviction. I want to believe him but it's all so icky.

[JDodge]

SL: I'm wavering in my conviction. I want to believe him but it's all so icky.

Would you agree that the general ickiness makes him a threat to the town irregardless?

[Shanba]

SL: I'm wavering in my conviction. I want to believe him but it's all so icky.

Would you agree that the general ickiness makes him a threat to the town irregardless?

I don't like that mindset. If we spend our efforts killing "threats to the town" we'll suddenly end up in lylo with a bunch of dead dumbtown. Although, I guess as a vig/sk he's more dangerous than normal. I remember a game as scum where I won in part thanks to the vig offing the (fairly obvtown) cop and doc.

Eh.

[JDodge]

SL: I'm wavering in my conviction. I want to believe him but it's all so icky.

Would you agree that the general ickiness makes him a threat to the town irregardless?

I don't like that mindset. If we spend our efforts killing "threats to the town" we'll suddenly end up in lylo with a bunch of dead dumbtown. Although, I guess as a vig/sk he's more dangerous than normal. I remember a game as scum where I won in part thanks to the vig offing the (fairly obvtown) cop and doc.

Eh.

Exactly. I'd rather not end up in lylo with a bunch of dead dumbtown prs because of alive dumbtown.

[JDodge]

Although I must say, the prospect of having him vig UA and then lynching Prozac is exciting.

Prozac, GW: You guys are the lone holdouts on the scot and myk wagons. Start figuring out where your votes are going.

[Porochaz]

Don't like either wagon. I liked Flava's case on MBF (despite it being wrong) and Im still failing to see the big case on scot beyond the joke incident.

[GhostWriter]

I say Myk dies and that we hereby force Scot to kill who we want and no one else. If, later on, we feel there are no more mafia, we lynch him on suspicion of being an SK.

[JDodge]

I say Myk dies and that we hereby force Scot to kill who we want and no one else. If, later on, we feel there are no more mafia, we lynch him on suspicion of being an SK.

So you want to leave someone you think is an SK until the last possible minute.

That sounds kinda goofy.

Im still failing to see the big case on scot beyond the joke incident.

It's not about him not noticing it was a joke, it's that his actions following make no sense whatsoever if he didn't.

[scotmany12]

Question to everyone: would you say JD is trying to get shanba and others to now policy lynch me for being "functionally retarded?"

[Shanba]

Well, barring further changes I'll move to scot pre-deadline.

Scot: It actually reminds me more of the sort of thing people used to say when someone was making some funky plays: "you're either dumb or you're scum and either way town's better off with you dead." It's policy lynchish, but it has more than a small seasoning of "what you're doing is scummy, and the only way you could think that way as town is that you're stupid."

In other words, there's an element of policy lynch but a large component of scumminess mixed in.

[JDodge]

Question to everyone: would you say JD is trying to get shanba and others to now policy lynch me for being "functionally retarded?"

No, I'm trying to get you lynched because you're either scum or so exceptionally thick that you, as a vig, are more harmful to the town than helpful,

especially

because this is the only way we can get rid of you.

[JDodge]

I heavily believe in the first. Let's make me four times right!