Mini 1041: Wheel of Fortune Mafia (Game over!)

[Oman]

Guppy is scum? Either that or I never play in a game with him again.

[Tasky]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Prof. Guppy

Self-hammer to stop discussion flat.
Go scum!

woow!
thank you very much. dude.

Thought so.

explain better plz. what did you think?
what implications do you think it has?

The whole competing wagons thing was to see where Pieman and Guppy would go with their votes. Guppy's has maintained, which...well it was there for a while (pre my vote). So I guess it doesn't really fit into this. I can't retroactively call him on that. What does fit however is that Pieman has never previously referenced Guppy. Well once and it was "I don't remember any post about guppy". And now he's voting him *only* because he is the other wagon. Look at the reasoning he puts with his vote "not voting in a pro-town way". It's self-perpetuating. But now that he is the other dude, he just throws the vote down.

My vote on Pieman stays, and I'm happy with it there.

how do you think about this now that Guppy revealed scum? do you still think your logic holds against Pieman?
if yes, how so?
if no, why didn't you consider the opinion of Guppy being scum?

Tasky, on a second glance at your questions, I found some of them pointless, but really none of them scummy. The weirdness of asking "what do you think I think" (e.g. @brianj) was what got my attention, and I'm not sure why you asked it, but yeah.

Theory Box

If you want to ask a lot of questions to a lot of people, you have to ask different questions on different things. You additionally have to ask more and less relevant questions. This is because by doing that, you won't harm a townie's reasoning, he is just going to answer honestly to all questions anyway (well, it will cost them some minutes longer, but hey, they did sign up for this game after all). On the other side, scum won't know exactly which questions I really consider relevant, and especially they won't know what I "want to hear". That way it get's more difficult for a scumbag to calibrate his answer between hiding his scummness and being truthful. Additionally, if I tell the people I am asking a question, why I am asking, a lot of the effect of the question is gone. But, those "what do you think I think" - questions are not useless at all. They are weird, yes, but not useless. I once wrote a theory box about that type of question. You'll find it here.

[Tasky]

oh. and now it's time to make town play guessing games again:
who do you think I think is scum. (yes, there is someone out there who looks scummy.)

[FakeGod]

I so totally gut-voted him

[Tazaro]

I so totally gut-voted him

Moi aussi.

[Tazaro]

Theory Box

If you want to ask a lot of questions to a lot of people, you have to ask different questions on different things. You additionally have to ask more and less relevant questions. This is because by doing that, you won't harm a townie's reasoning, he is just going to answer honestly to all questions anyway (well, it will cost them some minutes longer, but hey, they did sign up for this game after all). On the other side, scum won't know exactly which questions I really consider relevant, and especially they won't know what I "want to hear". That way it get's more difficult for a scumbag to calibrate his answer between hiding his scummness and being truthful. Additionally, if I tell the people I am asking a question, why I am asking, a lot of the effect of the question is gone. But, those "what do you think I think" - questions are not useless at all. They are weird, yes, but not useless. I once wrote a theory box about that type of question. You'll find it here.

Yay, theory box makes a comeback.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

PieMan (2): Reckamonic, Oman

Prof. Guppy (5): Tasky, FakeGod, PieMan, yabbaguy, Prof. Guppy

yabbaguy (1): Tazaro
Not voting (1): brianj

With

9

players alive, it takes

5

votes to lynch.

You spot it—the Lose a Turn wedge. You run to get the paint from the art department so you can change it to a dollar value, but when you come out, you find that Lose a Turn has grown legs and run as fast as it could out of Stage 11. Since having a solid-colored wedge is boring, you debate what value it should be. $300? Too many of those already. $600? That sounds better.

No more of the boring old white wedge making the game itself boring by turning it into the waiting game.

Prof. Guppy, who was the

Lose a Turn wedge, a Mafia goon

, has been driven to suicide on Day 2.

Night 2 ends in 72 hours.

[StrangerCoug]

You come back into Stage 11, look around, and... don't notice anything out of the ordinary that wasn't already. Lose a Turn is still off the wheel. You still have no Vanna and no puzzle board. You know that at least one of the Mystery Wedges is missing; whether the other wedge is still around or was also missing to begin with remains unknown for sure to you. It looks exactly the same way you left it!

Nobody has been killed on Night 2.

Day 3 begins with eight alive and five to lynch.

[FakeGod]

I saved brianj.

[Tazaro]

So you are saying the scum took a fifty-fifty shot at killing Pat Sajak because he was a PR. That may indicate that they are willing to try that again tonight.

[FakeGod]

Before posting my analysis, I'm going to ask the mod.

Is the final voting count accurate?

[FakeGod]

brianj is a claimed mason who I saved last night.
Guppy pushed for Pieman lynch pretty much entire game, therefore I'll assume that Pieman is also innocent.
I really don't think Tazaro would bus.

List of players I suspect:

Oman
Tasky
yabbaguy
Reckamonic

Vote: Oman

[StrangerCoug]

Before posting my analysis, I'm going to ask the mod.

Is the final voting count accurate?

*notices two names next to PieMan, whom the count says has three votes*

No. Fixed it, though.

[Reckamonic]

I really don't think Tazaro would bus.

May I inquire as to why?

[Reckamonic]

PieMan is almost certainly town now. On a re-read, Tazaro looks particularly scummy in connection with Guppy. See our last post for our case on Tazaro, then compare it with Guppy. Both seemed to want to drive the PieMan wagon to a lynch. Also, anyone care to show us where Tazaro or Guppy

ever

mention each other?

Hint: they don't. The way Guppy hammered himself to kill discussion almost seemed like one of his scumbuddies was off the wagon and he didn't want them to get singled out for not being on his wagon (and yes, we realize this incriminates us as well)... but look who else wasn't on the wagon?

FoS: Tazaro

[FakeGod]

I really don't think Tazaro would bus.

May I inquire as to why?

It's just a personal read/ gut read. *shrug*

[Tasky]

oh. and now it's time to make town play guessing games again:
who do you think I think is scum. (yes, there is someone out there who looks scummy.)

you all failed to answer this. well, the correct answer waaaaaas...


...
...
...

Spoiler: scumbag

VOTE: Oman
case will follow (if I feel like it)

[Oman]

Hard to defend without cases, guys. Instead I'm going to

Vote Pieman

as a reluctant bus on his partner, Guppy.

[Tazaro]

Yep, I don't bus.

[yabbaguy]

Point of interest:

Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?

Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

It's interesting to note that this is L-1.

My thought is it's a poor bus with feigned emotion.

I cited before that PieMan's delayed reaction at Guppy was a little too convenient considering his vote increase between those two moments of time and I do think it could've been a bus as well.

I'm banking on Tazaro and PieMan.

[Tasky]

Point of interest:

Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?

Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

It's interesting to note that this is L-1.

My thought is it's a poor bus with feigned emotion.

I cited before that PieMan's delayed reaction at Guppy was a little too convenient considering his vote increase between those two moments of time and I do think it could've been a bus as well.

I'm banking on Tazaro and PieMan.

isn't it a little convenient that all your scumpicks are VI's (in the broadest possible sense)?

[yabbaguy]

But I think they're scumtells Tasky. Why aren't they?

[FakeGod]

@Oman: In my rereading, Pieman wasn't exactly trying to bus Guppy, seeing that Pie's vote was all over the place.

[Tazaro]

Point of interest:

Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?

Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

It's interesting to note that this is L-1.

My thought is it's a poor bus with feigned emotion.

I wasn't being emotional, and how can you know whether it's a bus without knowing whether I am scum?

[yabbaguy]

I can discern relationship tells from one flip. I don't need to know both your alignments, the whole point of this game is that I'm going after you without knowing really whether or not you're scum.

And the "damn it, yabb distracted me" remark struck me as emotional.