Mini Normal 2068: Cat Art! [Game Over]

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so either

I'm a vanilla cop and you're a fifth clearable townie just by virtue of your role pm

or

I'm a vanilla townie, you're a loud rolecop/vanilla cop (which has LITERALLY BEEN DONE VS. MASONS IN THE LAST YEAR) and there are only 4 confirmable town in the game

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Flips and BEF I trust you guys not to derp hard here
the solve is super obvious

[Vedith]

You better pick right tonight TW

[Vedith]

In fact it's safe for me to say I'm going to Nips.
You can't risk having me visit BEF and Nips die

[the worst]

Vedith/pret probably

This is an impossible scum team, so this is just not strong game solving or from scum.

I don't get why it's impossible tho :< if you could help strengthen my solve rather than accusing me of posturing we'd be advancing the gamestate a LOT faster

VOTE: DDL
just realised Pret we're doing the same thing to each other

Vedith/pret probably

outlier is in {pret, nips}
Pret is playing wolf agenda (positioning mislynches in Mylo)
Nips is playing survival>all

god help us all

this game is hard enough to solve without needing to prove I'm town so I might just need a leap of faith

you're town.
I townread Carmen/nips slot and I'm not really sure why which is proud a good sign.
I'm town.

we need to lynch into {DDL, vedith, pret} and hit 2

both vedith and DDL being town is townsided
both of them being scum is probably a little scumsided
vedith is loud and we have a flipped loud townie
Pret independently is >rand wolf via mechanics and refuses to towntell

UNVOTE: no longer like DDL wagon

I also don't kill Creature there nor do I let my partner convince me to
ISO me and look for "creature" -- then go to that post and look for his thread re-entry

we were fistbumpin' spiritually

you're also confmason and I have no idea of what your reads are. you're chaotic and unpredictable. you have a rep for having a weaker towngame than engaged-Creature

I'd kill you or DDL if he was town. if I thought myself or my buddy were going down and wasn't scum with vedith, I'd kill him because he's lock clearable with only 1 scum left

for me to be scum you guys have to assume I made the worst possible night kills constantly after replacing in

including positioning my final NK going into f4 then going "huh we're positioning each other" and deciding to NK him after he doesn't respond

hard bussed my scumbuddy then freaked out got cold feet reconsidered my final NK going into f4 and flips and then lost my cold feet and got back onto DDL

either I have the wolfgame of the average 2 year old or I'm being set up by vedith who is already basically confscum unless the setup is hilariously townsided

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I don't have to pick anything right except voting your scummy but

I'm vt af

[Vedith]

Btw your argument of Mastina is void after Mini 2048

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omg doctor can generate clears as well

you'd have to accept that 5/13 of the list is hard mechanically clearable just via their role PMs

and one of the confirmable power roles can create soft innos via protecting people from the night kill

vs. 2 goons and one ??? without a loud modifier at all

that has nearly no synergy and is basically unwinnable for scum
if town have two loud roles and three masons, scum have at least a weak counter to both of these things

I'd take a x-shot jailkeeper + vanilla cop or something like that but then you're also accepting that I chose to randomly shoot a claimed vt while a claimed loud (theoretically clearable now there's only 1 scum left) and an outed mason left alive

this would be a tidy game throw

I've played one game where I left TPRs alive too long and the setup turned out to be shit and I'm never doing it again

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Btw your argument of Mastina is void after Mini 2048

idk the game i'll suss it

[Vedith]

Also Rolecop 100% balances the sides out.
Town have no investigation roles to scums. The Ank kill was odd in itself overall so that makes me believe you are rolecop fully.

And your counter argument to loud is terrible.
Loud visits are a prime target for scum to stop a confirm.

[Vedith]

TW is so panicked now after fucking up.
For the record, if you come into it trying to point a finger at Nips I would have considered, just to point out your faults.

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but rolling the dice on a loud visit including killing someone I would have had to have spent the last 2-3 days positioning publicly?

that's no bueno

I don't think anyone does that as scum. let alone me (I like to at least try to win games)

Rolecop absolutely doesn't balance out five confirmable town roles... if it was lynched d1 town has basically autowin

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yes I panic about the prospect of being mislynched

I've never been the game losing mislynch, and I will not start here.

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I don't even know what you're suggesting I've fucked up

you're basically suggesting I've shoved my pants over my head and run around going "woooo I'm evil" all game

the level of suspension of disbelief in your case is ridiculous

[Vedith]

It's not an auto win at all. Scum was lynched day 2 and you're in a LyLo situation.
The neibours are also a red herring in your favour for mis lynches.

[Vedith]

I don't even know what you're suggesting I've fucked up

you're basically suggesting I've shoved my pants over my head and run around going "woooo I'm evil" all game

the level of suspension of disbelief in your case is ridiculous

You wanted to play the no lynch before trying to push my lynch andndidntnrealise it wouldn't go through.
No you know I have a very good chance to be confirmed tomorrow

[Vedith]

andndidntnrealise

Let's pretend that didn't happen

[the worst]

okay let's play out a scenario right

1 rolecop + 2 goons vs. 5 confirmable town
rolecop lynched d1, vt/neighbour kill n1

2 goons vs. 5 confirmable town with 11 people left

if scum is lynched d2 then another vt/neighbout kill n2, both visitors are confirmed town via visiting while the nightkill takes place

with 9 people left alive, masons claim and visitors are cleared

you're looking at 1 mafia goon vs. 5 confirmed town and 3 unknowns

you can't actually expect a real setup to be this townsided

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I don't even know what you're suggesting I've fucked up

you're basically suggesting I've shoved my pants over my head and run around going "woooo I'm evil" all game

the level of suspension of disbelief in your case is ridiculous

You wanted to play the no lynch before trying to push my lynch andndidntnrealise it wouldn't go through.
No you know I have a very good chance to be confirmed tomorrow

I did want to no lynch before you started trying to push me as a mislynch and basically confscummed yourself to me

if you're town then flips is 100% scum and you or I are the mislynch so I need you to confirm yourself tonight then talk through this with me tomorrow

but I don't see flips making the Pret NK either

[Vedith]

That's called scum being penalised for bad play.
I'm not sure what you're argument is here?

That's like saying in a 9p game with 2 masons that if a Mason isn't killed in the first 2 nights and scum are lynched day 1 then town win.

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that's exactly what I'm saying

having fairly meaningless scum power roles to counter NEARLY HALF THE GAME being confirmable town is hilariously bad design

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whereas a loud mafia ____ messes with the synergy of loud town roles and likely has a power to counter masons

4 inherently confirmable town is a lot more likely than 5

[Vedith]

Okay. I'm still town though.

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then the last scum is flips?
talk me through it, I think he's town

[Vedith]

Back peddle, eh?