Day 1, Votecount 15 wrote:4 Capricious (eldarad, hasdgfas, Skruffs, Y)
1 Andycyca (Elmo)
1 hasdgfas (Capricious)
1 Rotten Snitch (Yosarian2)
1 Skruffs (Mizzy)
1 Y (Zindaras)
2 Unvote (Andycyca, Rotten Snitch)
11 alive; 6 to lynch.
Deadline progress wrote:9/6 - Skruffs, Rotten Snitch, Mizzy, hasdgfas, Elmo, Y,Yosarian2, Capricious, Zindaras
1 hour and 51 minutes until the next block.
I think it's fair to say that I pretty much completly disagree with everything Sir T said all game, except for his vote on RS.Zindaras wrote: Yossy, what do you think of the meta-ing that Sir T did on me at the start of the game?
False. I have discussed a lot more in my posts. Also, Skruffs attacked me, so I responded to them. I have to.Capricious wrote:Zindaras has done nothing except dispute with Skruffs about meaningless things
I do not call people worthless or useless or dumb. Posts and arguments, maybe, but not people.I get from reading this that some people are odd, some people are wrong, Skruffs dumb, some people are right, some people are worthless, Skruffs wrong, some people are useless, Skruffs idiot, et cetera. It seems to me that Zindaras is not hunting scum, rather picking out the finer, minor mistakes in semantics and aggressiveness.
You still think I'm bothering too much with details? Well, details is where scum tend to screw up. Not in the big things (usually). And, well, there aren't a whole lot of big things to discuss either. If you look at your case on hassy, that is also mainly made out of details, out of an analysis of multiple small posts.Zindaras wrote:So, I kind of think hasdfgas is reaching a bit in 63 (-). I don't think Mizzy's post there says that the early pages are completely useless. Kinda agree with her 67. Andycyca basically repeats hasdfgas in 69 (-). Rotten Snitch's 71 is somewhat odd (-). I like hasdfgas's 76 (+). I like Mizzy's 78 less (-). I don't think there is any reason to speculate about things like that at this point, or any point soon, for that matter. Behaviour is still Reason #1 for a lynch. I think both Skruffs's and Sir T's reasons for attacking me are far-fetched to say the least (+/-, needs more analyzing). Capricious's entire play in the first few pages is based purely on going back through old games and pointing out instances were something would or would not be a good decision...ignoring whether or not they are applicable to the current situation (-). He seems to abandon the approach in 103. Not sure if I like the explanation, currently I'm buying it (killing the - from before).
I actually find this somewhat amusing. Tells are invariably based on popular opinion. I believe jeep posted some theory about how docs and Mafia behaved, purely mathematically. And he was right. Tells are beautiful. But when they get out, they're out, and they don't work anymore. From a pure perspective, however, I would make an exception for some tells, most importantly tells that have to do with voting, simply because the Mafia need to get what they want (dead town) and they have to vote for it. This is especially true in situations where the lynch is close.Capricious wrote:this is false, contrary to popular opinion, I do not believe L-2 and L-1 votes are scummy just because they are L-2 and L-1. The scummiest votes, I believe are the keystone votes, the votes that propel the wagon to a point of no return. This may be even the 2nd or 3rd vote, or it may be a later vote.hasdgfas wrote:Ah, but if I had voted you would be calling me scummy for putting a fourth vote on you for little reason. If you had less than 3 votes on you currently, it would have been a vote, but putting you at L-2 at this point is a bit harsh
But I digress. I love theory too much.
I think the Y-Capricious exchange in 111-117 is odd. In this case, it seems like Y is overanalyzing (though Capricious is doing some silly speculation, in my opinion) (- for Y, unsure for Capri).
Andycyca's 123 is odd, as pointed out before. Easy talk about distancing (-). Skruffs's 130 is flat-out worthless (+/-, based on meta). Speculating on why someone was killed is useless. We can't infer anything from it at this point. Rotten Snitch's 135 is actually an example of pure WIFOM. Don't see those often (In my opinion, it's a -).
Why put worthless info in the thread?Skruffs wrote:I remember Patrick and Ether saying they had promised scum roles to SEVERAL people before roles were actually sent out. I do not think if they were actually legitimately promising roles, they would have said so out loud, but SINCE the topic of the chat at that time WAS about Ether's game, the theme of which would only be noted as that of "werewolves", I think that it is VERY likely that someone may have overheard it, thought nothing of it, and then remembered during Night 0 when they said "Hmm...' and used it as a reason, for the sole point of creating a situation.
I'm not actually trying to make a situation of it myself, I am merely putting this information out there so that it can be acknowledged and discarded.
Blech, tired, need to skim now.
Y's 162 is odd (-). "Why is Capricious forgotten?"
Well, why don't you put him in the spotlights? You're not even voting him.
I also really friggin' love the fact that Skruffs basically says I'm scum because I'm always scum and insinuating that he shouldn't be held accountable if I turn up town, because he's trained to kill me (This oneisa -).
Yeah, right.
Sir T obviously fails to acknowledge my personality, don't know if it's scum stubbornness or simply town paranoia (conclusion is obv +/-). Elmo is giving me "cruise"-vibes (-). He's basically cruising through the game without really saying anything.
I'm going toUnvotefor now and think more about this tomorrow, where I will hopefully be less tired.
With a possible deadline looming, I wanted to get the lynch I liked the most of the people who were on the chopping block at that time.Capricious wrote:This is one of the reasons I took a step back on Andycyca.Zindaras wrote:Ohwait, another day? Man. I thought the one at the top of the page was right.
I irrationally kinda like Capri's move here in 262. I think it's indicative of him being town. I'm also not sure about Andy, and I don't think Skruffs is a good lynch right now. So I'm going with Andy.
Vote: Andycyca
Mod, I would like a little deadline extension, though. Kinda difficult to coordinate here.
Claims that my vote on him is bad, because in the last game we played together, he was town, and "caught 2 of the 3 scum". (Capricious wrote:1. Saw one kill, assumed one kill attempteldarad wrote:Couple of questions for you:
1) How do you know there was only one attempted kill?
2) How does this speculation help us in finding the scum?
2. Do you have anything else better to be talking about?
Capricious wrote:I still believe werewolves are scum and will continue to do so until we have reasons to suspect otherwise. The "For good" part of the flavor just sounds melodramatic. However, we might have reason to believe that power roles using wolfsbane are, in fact, ineffective.
does not believe that L-2 or L-1 votes are scummyY wrote:After emphasizing that the wolfsbane kept the werewolves out for good, you say you don't believe this is the case. Do you have a role PM saying they are here again? Their names, maybe?
Furthermore, you say there are werewolves, but that power-roles with wolfsbane won't be effective?
I think you forgot the "Pro-town investigation roles, please don't target me" part.
Capricious, in post 193 wrote:Skruffs was just trying to say he's metagaming. He was trying to be productive. Y was just taking the literal approach, in fact, my vote on Y was based on meta.
Capricious, in post 103 wrote:That was actually my point entirely. Your metagaming was just as bad as mine, and I cannot understand why you people have spent a page discussing it. I agree with Y in that it bores me.
Capricious wrote:Unvote, Vote: Capricious
need a lynch, but come to your senses and lynch Andycyca day 2
is no longer sure of Andy being scum because "he created something"Capricious wrote:pro-town people are creators, scum play tag-along/ are concluders
"Mizzy continues to solidify her awesome pro-townness"Capricious wrote:eldarad: do you not find me attractive anymore? Prior, you had an unhealthy fetish toward me which you expressed by addressing and serenading me in every post-even going so far as
"The period of time Capri had vanished increased from 2 to 3 days" <-- Seriously WTF?
Have the fires of your love for me cooled and collated into warm coals?
Last time eldarad did this, he was a member of a whole village of idiots, but town nonetheless. His behavior here does fit with the behavior in the other game, so I am unsure on eldarad.
Completely missed the daytalk thing. That's interesting...eldarad wrote:Capricious wrote:Unvote, Vote: Capricious
need a lynch, but come to your senses and lynch Andycyca day 2I think this is a scum gambit. It's more effective in this game than others, because the scum can daytalk. They can orchestrate their votes/unvotes on the Capri wagon much more effectively than usual.
Also, for the record, I think self-voting in general reeks of scum. I'd lynch someone for it any day of the week.
eldarad wrote:Also, for the record, I think self-voting in general reeks of scum. I'd lynch someone for it any day of the week.
Eh, I've seen just as many town do it as scum. It's stupid, and not terribly pro-town, but that doesn't make it scummy in my eyes, I suppose.eldarad wrote:It's a policy lynch/lynch policy in the sense that I think self-voting is an indicator of being scum, and my policy is to lynch scum.
That's kinda odd. You say he misrepresents/misunderstands, like you're not sure which, but that obviously allows for the possibility of him misunderstanding, and I don't see how misunderstanding is a scumtell. I can't find any reason as to why it's more likely he was misrepresenting, here.eldarad wrote:Jumps on Y's mention of investigative roles,but completely misrepresents/misunderstands what was said. Just reeks of scum
Yes, it is mostly stupid, but I've seen both scum and town do it to try to avoid a lynch, so while we shouldn't necessarily vote someone for self-voting, we shouldn't necessarily get off someone's case because they've self-voted to get them closer to a lynch.Mizzy wrote:Eh, I've seen just as many town do it as scum. It's stupid, and not terribly pro-town, but that doesn't make it scummy in my eyes, I suppose.eldarad wrote:It's a policy lynch/lynch policy in the sense that I think self-voting is an indicator of being scum, and my policy is to lynch scum.
