Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Aneninen]

Singersinger, I thought it might be a better idea, but okay.

Elect: BigYoshiFan

And I don't know whether I'll have time today.

[Something_Smart]

What do you think of Ghostlin's sudden post right after I called out everyone who had posted elsewhere but not here?

What would be wrong with it?

[Aneninen]

I know my wiki is outdated but the answer is here.

[singersigner]

I know my wiki is outdated but the answer is here.

Yes but that is factually not what's happening so the point is moot.

I mean, I'm still fine lynching him, but like, at least use accurate information to substantiate your theories/tells...

[Aneninen]

But wasn't he posting elsewhere?

[Something_Smart]

Caveat: sometimes there are other reasons for the difference. Eg. the player is at LyLo in a long game or

the game you're in is stalled.

[GuiltyLion]

Caveat: sometimes there are other reasons for the difference. Eg. the player is at LyLo in a long game or

the game you're in is stalled.

burnnn

Feels like a lot of apathy in the game right now, does anyone else have thoughts on my Anen scumread or want to join me there? Or is there anyone who absolutely does not want to vote there? are we just waiting on the doc election before we vote?

I should be around more today

[BigYoshiFan]

The doc hammered on me.

[singersigner]

But wasn't he posting elsewhere?

Not like you're implying, no.

His activity has been consistently inconsistent. He did not post in this game from ~Saturday to ~Wednesday and I am not really given any reason to believe that he otherwise could've.

[Aneninen]

Toiletpost.
I thought he had posted in other games. I only checked his post list not his post themselves.

I still think his instant showingup was terrible.

I guess we could lynch him and if you all wish, he can vengekill me. And if it's not over, lynch GL Tomorrow.

[Aneninen]

F-ck this shyt.

VOTE: Ghostlin

Ghostlin, read my lips:

Vengekill: Aneninen

[beeboy]

Day 3, VC 5

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Ghostlin (3)

- singersigner, BigYoshiFan, Aneninen

Aneninen (1)

- GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion (1)

- Smocaine

Not Voting (5)

- Ghostlin, Something_Smart, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Creature

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-22 08:59:00)

Invention Vote

1-shot Doctor: During the night you may target another player and protect them from being killed during the night.

BigYoshiFan (6)

- Something_Smart, BigYoshiFan, Errantparabola, GuiltyLion, singersigner, Aneninen

Not Voting (4)

- Ghostlin, Vonflare, Creature, Smocaine

BigYoshiFan has been elected for the day and the invention vote will be removed from the vote count.

[Smocaine]

I'd rather lynch GL

[Errantparabola]

VOTE: ghostlin
can vengekill the other gl

[Creature]

Uh sure, might try to be active.

[Creature]

Kind of hoping Ghostlin > venge Aneninen should end the game and I'm not that pessimistic.

[Something_Smart]

Ghostlin > EP is more likely to end the game IMO.

[Creature]

Whatever

[Creature]

Just surprised scum wouldn't be putting much effort, though town isn't doing either.

[vonflare]

i like ghost > GL

[singersigner]

Toiletpost.
I thought he had posted in other games. I only checked his post list not his post themselves.

I still think his instant showingup was terrible.

I guess we could lynch him and if you all wish, he can vengekill me. And if it's not over, lynch GL Tomorrow.

I don't disagree. I just think we all have the tendency to respond to things only addressed to us, so I wanted to make sure you weren't throwing out false information for the sake of (accidentally or not) boosting your point. That we can discuss further after TM has concluded.

[Aneninen]

Could be.

Shall we end the Day?
I don't think there's anything else we can discuss now.

[singersigner]

Agreed. I'm wishing for people to come in and vote or persuade why people should follow them. This apathy is killing me.

[GuiltyLion]

alright so I spent a little bit of time going back through D1 and Anen's ISO, here's some things I'd like to call out:

repeated early defense of RC's swap out

So, both Spiffeh and Espeonage think Reckoner is scum.

They brought up the same thing I had noticed. I'm talking about eg. this:

think RC's team saw FB's slot/scumteam and RC swooped into the rescue but i can't vote there yet because i promised to policy RVS vote the spam squad

By that post RadiantCowbells

had clearly explained

the reason for the swap.

Althoug I'm back after one-and-a-half year and I've missed a lot, in Team Mafia, things like that explanation from RC is something

can be confirmed instantly

. So, in short, the swap in itself is null.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: xRECKONERx

...?

im mostly here for my friends

- i wanted to give playing mafia another shot but unless this game is particularly fun/not toxic im probably done for a while again

Null then, for the same reason as RC's swap. In Team Mafia, it can be confirmed easily.

I don't understand. I'm saying I didn't buy RC's explanation.
That was also prior to Shea or Keely being online. They've since both confirmed that Cabd and RC have major problems with each other and that it's not bullshit. Keely notes however that RC's expectation that Shea/Keely would've already briefed me on that note is "skeevy".

And I still think RC's story was a big null and you were trying to make a case out of it.

having now seen RC's flip, I'm inclined to believe the swap out was entirely calculated and this is scum defending a buddy caught for "bad" reasons

bonus early soft defense of Mastina, which then turns into a townread:

Meanwhile, can someone summarize me where that Mastin wagon came from?
All I can see is 8 posts and a gamestyle I've seen from her before, regardless of alignment.

More.

As for

Mastin

, I don't think I need break down all her posts.
I remember this kind of gamestyle from her very well. The "grab out a couple of posts and give one-word answers like "town", "scum", the relative absense and big walls included.
That was town Mastin. (Apart from a single game where she was actually SK, but she was scumhunting.)
I wouldn't say I'd give her a free pass just because of her style in mid- or late-game, but that's good enough for me on Day.

Town

discrediting of chesskid's Eli tell

the posts are too big to quote here, but reread 2117, 2159, 2193, 2319. The thing that makes me think this is scum discrediting is that Anen focuses primarily on

out of game

reasons to discredit the tool - may not be ethical/allowed, may not have large enough sample size to work, why haven't you used it on other players in the game, etc. Several of these points had already been covered by chesskid in thread, and for someone who started off by talking about how everything can be "confirmed" in TeamMafia (see posts quoted above), it doesn't look to me like Anenien went through any effort to "confirm" the existence of the program or it's efficacy before going in to pushing back against it. I actually already called this out D1:

And I didn't like the way he pushed back on chesskid about the program, it felt more like he had a prior goal of discrediting the notion of the AI scumtell. And I may have missed it but I feel like his posts about the program were also missing his teammates opinions - those are some experienced and popular and intelligent players on his team, I think they would have opinions about it that they would discuss with town!Anenien before his 2117 and 2159. Maybe that discussion did happen in the background but as far as I can tell he doesn't mention any of his team's opinions on it.

_constant_ discrediting of chesskid/Smocaine town, while still calling them town

(2) That Chesskid/Mastina team idea has come into my mind too... if that's true they're geniuses. Especially if RC is the third one... But it's too early to speculate on that. However we should

never

call any of them town because another one of them flips scum.

Mastina's flip confirms

no one

. Not even you.

(3) It is NOT working. Mastina's flip gives us NO information about Chesskid.

(3) As far as I know, most players are scumreading Mastina

regardless of

Chesskid's software. I keep parrotting: Matina's flip tells us NOTHING about Chesskid's alignment. The whole story could be a puppet show organized by two scum.

As for the Mastina-wagon, two players are more likely scum than the others:
– Chesskid/Smokaine. I still can't rule out that the whole Day1 with that Elli-read was planned by the scumteam. It's a highly risky move, but I can imagine such a gameplay for a scumteam which includes Mastina and RadiantCowbells.

Why we should not rule out Chesskid/Smocaine:

1 Why did Chesskid use the program only on Mastina?
2 Why after 8 posts and not later or later again?
3 Why not on me whom he was scumreading?
4 What if Mastina/RC/Chesskid were making noise intentionally so that we couldn't form real reads on anyone?

I'm not saying he's the most possible third scum. I am only saying he is possible.

As for

Chesskid

, I've already expressed my thoughts. I still don't think he should be alive at LyLo, but everyone else seems to obv-town him, this might not be an issue at all.

+ a billion more that I didn't quote that are buried in other posts or back and forths with me about why Smocaine "can't live til lylo"

I don't think it's likely that a town!Anenien is

this

hung up on resolving a slot that basically hard pushed scum D1 to an extent that it refused to consider any other lynches and gave a compelling explanation of the scumread (Elli's scumtell). If he's town then Anenien is extremely obstinate about an idea that's been pretty much shot down a million times already, and for what benefit to him? It's more likely to me that it's scum trying to bring down an unlynchable slot, cause distractions, and give himself as wide a pool as possible - especially because he was pushing this on D1 before mastina even flipped.

[Aneninen]

Okay,

RAGE ON

I fucking know how terrible my ISO is!
Why do you think I told you on Day2 that I must not be here at LyLo?! At least someone has done the dirty job earlier and I've been ISOed in time. And not at LyLo.
You know what? As I saw Reckoner dying I knew how bad my existence for the town is. HAVEN'T I TOLD YOU ALL THE TIME???!!!!!

I fucking did everything Yesterday and Today I could. I've never been a genius but at least I HAVE TRIED.

You know, the last Team Mafia was literally "Team". My lynch had been planned long before it actually happened. My team'd been working on it and my scumteam had been working on it. We only needed enough mislynch and I framed Elk and CES hard. We bussed with BBT and Regfan each other as we could, they did the dirty job in the end (GENIUSLY!!!!!), because "in White Flag scums don't bus". Fuck that shit! It wasn't my win. I just did my part.

BUT

I. DON'T. WANT. TO. FUCK. THIS. UP. FOR. MY. TEAM. BY. GETTING. LYNCHED. AT. LYLO. !!! And I WOULD BE LYNCHED THERE because any scumteam with a little common sense would never Nightkill me.

In short, I know I got framed. I know how terrible my Day1 was. And you should never believe me. Not even this! Some talented player would meta me later to find it out that I can do this whole shit as scum too!

SOOOOOOOOO

Either GuiltyLion has fucked it up because he should have waited with that post. Or he's not scum. Fucking don't know which. The point is, let's lynch Ghostlin, who Vengekills me and let's lynch GuiltyLion Tomorrow. If it's still not over, which I doubt, Errant is next. If still nothing, I have no idea what to do. That's gonna be your fucking problem.
Or vice versa, let's lynch GuiltyLion Today and Ghostlin+me Tomorrow. Or whatever, GuiltyLion+Ghostlin Today, me Tomorrow. You decide. I FUCKING DON'T CARE. But if I'm still here say, on Day5 or so THE WHOLE TOWN IS PLAYING THIS BADLY!!!!!!!!!

The point is. TOWN HAS FUCKING BETTER CHANCE TO WIN IF I'M NOT HERE. PERIOD.

Move on now.

Aneninen out.

RAGE OFF.