Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Killjoy]

TOASTY! Don't make me recant my opinion of you.

Town plan to win:
Lynch Kast
Delay Hiplop
Investigate Hiplop

What does this accomplish?
Kast lynch clears Tans as not lieing about being vanilla
Delay Hiplop so no Mafia kill on Blackberry
Blackberry returns with a mafia, guilty, not innocent whatever his result is

Lynch Hiplop
Town wins

Bask in the glory of your benevolent cult leader

I don't want to be mean in case I alienate you, but seriously guys.

I am waiting to see Kast's face when he gets back. Or at least the mod's opinion on my actions.

Lynch Kast and Hiplop and profit.

[Killjoy]

exactly. No clear answer, so you have nothing.

Go away you goon. You have already outted yourself to any competent player.

[Blackberry]

Kill - what were OS's night/day actions?

[ToastyToast]

kill, that was similar to one of the proposed options

[hiplop]

"Bah" posts are NOT allowed. If you are dead, stay dead.

Killjoy, shut up. The others shut up when they realized this rule, you're fully aware and keep posting, and you're falsely shining a light on me, so im pissed.

if you really want town to win, gtfo. I am NOT scum. And you have NOTHING at all, and you wont admit that.

[Killjoy]

I don't know. I don't want to dig through the monstrous ass qt but I know he killed Mastin and day copped you at the same time. Os had a day cop ability which is why Hiplop is more likely lieing.

Blackberry, redeem your knightly privileges and follow my damn plan. It is a public decree.

Haha. Hiplop, if you were town you would want me to keep revealing information. Nice try stifling me.

Hiplop, I'm not fucking dead yet. Have I been lynched? Figuratively yes. Literally and by the mod's hand? No. It isn't my fault the mod is slow to action.

I have eNough witnesses. The damage has been done. Your goose is cooked and will provide wonderfully for a succulent meal for my queen court.

[Killjoy]

Similar but not ideal, Toasty.

Burn my words into your minds, steel your hearts against the malice of Kast and Hiplop, embrace my royal rule. Prosper.

Townies, I am your Queen Elizabeth at Tilbury.

[hiplop]

I don't know. I don't want to dig through the monstrous ass qt but I know he killed Mastin and day copped you at the same time. Os had a day cop ability which is why Hiplop is more likely lieing.

Blackberry, redeem your knightly privileges and follow my damn plan. It is a public decree.

Haha. Hiplop, if you were town you would want me to keep revealing information. Nice try stifling me.

Hiplop, I'm not fucking dead yet. Have I been lynched? Figuratively yes. Literally and by the mod's hand? No. It isn't my fault the mod is slow to action.

I have eNough witnesses. The damage has been done. Your goose is cooked and will provide wonderfully for a succulent meal for my queen court.

its wrong info, so yes I don't want you spreading it. This is mylo, and your pushing for a lynch, one that I know is wrong (mine). I don't want to lose this because cult convinced town to lynch a townie, when we already have it pretty much won.

[Blackberry]

Kill - did u kill muffin?

[Kast]

@BB-
Your "realization" is EXACTLY why I've BEEN saying Nik/KJ was most probable Vanillizer. Dead cult works, we just have to make sure to hit mafia now.,

@KJ-
Thanks for claiming. Assuming it's true, that means your "investigation" on Tans is fake. That also means Tans is no longer cleared of being Vanillizer. I guess this explains why you refused to "clarify" your "power"; no point clarifying if it's just a fake to protect your recruit.

Your breakdown now looks exactly the same as OS's breakdown. One more attempt to protect your cult from beyond the grave. My money's on Tans as OS's last recruit. It's also quite likely that Tans is both mafia AND the last recruit. That would explain his attempt to lynch obv-mafia-GF Vezok so that his recruit, Tans, would be the last mafia controlling the mafia kill.

Hiplop should investigate Tans now. KJ's first attempt to discredit Hiplop and now request for Hiplop to be lynched is obv an attempt to remove one of the two investigative powers with mafia killing BB tonight to make Tans undetectable. Your claim to have a bodyguard fake claim is another botched failure since you clearly haven't been reading the game. There are repeats of actual roles as well actual roles that coincide with the flipped scum fake claims.

Vezok was likely lying about delaying Tans.

Btw- You're forgiven for being an asshole. When you join the dead thread, you can apologize when you find out how wrong you are (though I guess you already know how wrong you are).

@BB-
Please confirm with mods: If you investigated a mafia member who became a Black Lantern, would he turn out as mafia or non-mafia? My guess is he would flip mafia, hence Nikanor's need to get rid of both Hiplop now, leaving his recruit free to kill you tonight (obv Vezok won't delay his own buddy).

EBWOP:
@KJ-
Lol, you're claiming now that OS could take multiple JoAT actions during the day?
The claims keep changing more and more.

[Killjoy]

I sentence you to debtors jail. Townies, make it happen.

Hiplop, I am pushing for a Kast lynch before yours at which point it won't be mylo. Misrepresent me a little harder?

I'm not mafia, Blackberry. I don't have killing abilities.

It looks like you all are drifting out of my beautiful kingdom of logicalland.

Lynch Kast, aim every single one of your power roles at Hiplop, lynch him, and then live happily ever after.

Hiplop tries to defy my court and it's rule. Off with his fucking head. Heed no attention towards his fake cop ability either.

Oh joy. Kast is here.

I fear my residence among my own kingdom will be shortened. Do me proud!

[Killjoy]

Kast, I'm not the moderator. I gave up trying to play speculation game, I outted you and your body. Give it a rest.

[The Book of Oa]

A lynch has been reached. Stand by. Scene will be written as soon as dana logs in.

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 5.1.3

Killjoy (4) - Blackberry, ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, hiplop
vezokpiraka (3) - Kast, tanstalas, Killjoy


A lynch has been reached!


It appears that you were right to believe you recognized the third mysterious figure who turned into Nekron. When this new Nekron reappeared this morning with his black hordes, you realized that the only way to stop them was to remove his scythe from his hand and keep the other Black Lanterns away from it. A few of you scattered to distract the minions, but the four bravest and strongest of you charged straight up to middle to where Nekron commanded his forces. You quickly severed his arm, causing his scythe to fall to the ground. And there, suddenly, stood your old nemesis: Black Hand. He fell to the ground, defeated, and his vast army disappeared into thin air. Who knows if they'll be back again?

Killjoy,

Black Hand (Cult Bulletproof Pinata)

, member of the

Black Lantern Corps

Nekron (Cult Leader)

, leader of the

Black Lantern Corps

, lynched D5.1

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch, 3 to no lynch.

[Blackberry]

*Technically*

speaking - only me or hiplop can be the Vanillializer. Or Toasty if Andrius blocked OS Night 2. I feel Toasty had the same thoughts I have though, and it is my belief mafia can't fake genuine thought processes town has, they can only pretend to, so I think Toasty is town...

Unless, vanillializing happens before roleblocks, which means we have ANOTHER recruit, which means we're utterly f#cked in the face.

Also, we know Cult had a WL fake-claim. This gives me the idea that mafia would also have a WL fake-claim so that they aren't out of the loop.

Also, about Nikanor: I told you so. ^_^

...

To recap, Toasty is the only person I'm sure is non-mafia. Vezok looks pretty clear too IMO as non-mafia.

Kast, Tans, Hiplop

If there IS a cult recruit, I'll focus on him/her tomorrow, because we NEED to catch Mafia today. If there's only one mafia left though then we still have an extra chance tomorrow ^_^.

[ToastyToast]

Ok.
So hiplop uses his cop (whether or not its fake)
We figure this shit out
BB cops remaining
vezok delays remaining

[Blackberry]

Vote: Hiplop

Yes, I just did that. XD

* As I said, pretty sure Mafia have a WL fake-claim too (I'm really good at outguessing the mod - balance wise, if cult has a WL fake-claim it is only fair Mafia have a WL fake-claim too so they know what's going on, and so that not all the WLs are town).
* Plus PoE says he or Toast has to be Vanillializer and Toasty is pretty town with his reads/thoughts.
* And on top of that, the bodyguard thing says a lot.
* Not to add, hiplop has been coasting all game on his WL claim, sitting pretty in the background.

Plus, a Bodyguard --> Midday Cop doesn't make much sense.

Tans or Kast has to be the other, strongly leaning Kast because of his play and because Tans outted Andrius as a Roleblocker D2. Toasty RBed OS Night 2- confirmed. Vezok delayed OS Night 1 - confirmed. Tans was delayed last night - there was a kill and a vanillia - pretty much confirms him non-mafia.

I'm fine with hiplop investigating ME. If he claims a guilty, I then KNOW he is mafia. If he claims an innocent, he is only clearing me and condemning Kast/himself to death.

...

My cop results were (Toasty? asked):

N1 - FrozenMirror (Not aligned with mafia)
*N2 - Muffin (Not aligned with mafia)
*N3 - Vezok (Not aligned with mafia)
*N4 - Kast (Not aligned with mafia)

[ToastyToast]

What makes kast or tans unable to be the vanillaizer?

[Blackberry]

Kast was delayed N2
Tans was delayed N4

Vanillialization happened both nights. If we prescribe to the theory that Vanillia happens first, that means there's ANOTHER recruit still alive and we're screwed.

I.e., mafia know at this moment whether or not we have to worry about another cult member.

[tanstalas]

VOTE: Hiplop

Baaaaaa

[Kast]

We need to hit mafia today. I'm not letting KJ screw town over and pull a last second win now. Look at his posts and behavior again. Look at his claim again. It's the EXACT SAME thing that OS was doing after Ludi got lynched. He's trying to protect his recruit by crying wolf on someone else using a claim that doesn't even explain how he could know the other person is mafia.

@Bodyguard Claim-
-If he

was

telling the truth and knew that Hiplop was lying about bodyguard, then there is no way he could know whether Tans or Kast was teammates with Hiplop. Why try clearing Tans?
--For that matter, the bodyguard role was the one role missing from this setup for balance reasons. It's the only "protection" town has for a claimed PR that still allows the PR to take any action.
--Given the fake claims that were used in the previous game and the claims seen so far, it's pretty obvious that Nikanor got a "BP" fake claim and used that.

@Votes-
-Look at his behavior, he was pushing for a Vezok lynch. If Vezok flipped town, then there's no way he could have won. He would have been the obvious next lynch based on Vezok's flip clearing Tans and Kast; at which point mafia would straight up win.
--For that matter, if Vezok is town and Hiplop is mafia, then he should and could have hammered Vezok. This isn't even a WIFOM situation; if Hiplop was mafia, then a vezok lynch would have been a straight up mafia win. It's like assuming mafia won't night kill when they are 1 night kill away from winning.

@Black Lantern Kill Flavor-
-Aside from that, the mod flavor on Muffin's death scene strongly implies a recruited mafia member (there's also a possibility that Vezok & Tans were both recruited on N3 and N4, but this is less likely given KJ's attempt to lynch Vezok).

While you were sleeping, one of the heroes that had so bravely defeated Nekron yesterday was stabbed through the heart with a long, sharp object.

Some of you believe it was Nekron's scythe, but others think they see burn marks around the wound.

Whatever happened, Digger Harkness will surely be missed.

@Vezok's behavior-
-Aside from that, Vezok's behavior has been scummy as hell.
--His claim to delay on me on N2, delaying a claimed investigative role, makes no sense from a town PoV.
--Also, the complete lurking then suddenly jumping in on a non-mafia lynch wagon as soon as it appears is too "coincidental".

@Summary-
The simplest scenario that fits ALL the evidence (votes, posts, day/night action claims, flips) is that KJ recruited Tans and wanted to "clear" his recruit. Through Tans, he knew that Vezok was the remaining mafia member and was aiming for a Vezok lynch. With a Vezok mafia-GF flip, he could continue his same argument that Kast/Vezok are mafia buddies and claim that Vezok was lying about delaying Kast. Even if we ignored the ridiculousness of 2 mafia GFs and lynched KJ, he would still have a shot at winning since his mafia-recruit would be in charge of the mafia kill (and potentially be in charge of both kill and vanilla).

If we mislynch Hiplop now, then tonight Vezok's obviously not going to delay his buddy. BB will get killed or vanillized so he can't reveal Tans. Town will be down to 2 votes vs the 2 remaining mafia. Vezok wouldn't know whether his buddy is recruited or not, so he'd be stuck going along with a no lynch until the townies are eliminated (though it's unclear how mod would handle an end game with a recruited mafia and a non-recruited mafia...).

[Kast]

@BB-
You're doing that thing again where you only look at one possibility, ignore the problem parts that don't make sense, and ignore the other possibilities that make sense without any problems.

@Toast-
The things that stop Tans from being vanillizer are:
-KJ's cult claim that he is town
-Vezok's claim that he delayed him

Problems with those:
-KJ was lying cult and didn't have any way to investigate Tans (and even if he had an investigation, he has no way to determine between a GF or a non-GF).
-Vezok is the obv-mafia-GF, this was clear before the sudden shift to KJ, this is confirmed by KJ's attempt to lynch Vezok (suicide for cult if Vezok was town).

Cult needed to lynch mafia. There's actually a few scenarios I can see (the most likely of which is that he recruited Tans):
-KJ recruited Tans, so he knew Vezok was mafia.
-KJ failed to recruit Vezok so he knew he was lying/mafia (in this case he took a guess as to whether Tans or Kast was mafia, but this is less likely since it doesn't explain his attempt to protect Tans).
-Ludi recruited one of Tans/Vezok N3 and KJ recruited the other one N4 (in this case, leaving BB alone makes even more sense since Vezok GF is safe, and KJ-cult leader would investigate as non-mafia). This would also imply the Vezok lynch was an attempted bus (gives Tans/KJ town-cred) and they would only need a single mislynch after that then tonight kill & recruit for the win.

Least likely since I'd expect a 3 man cult team to just aim for a straight up win.

[Kast]

Tans or Kast has to be the other, strongly leaning Kast because of his play and because Tans outted Andrius as a Roleblocker D2. Toasty RBed OS Night 2- confirmed. Vezok delayed OS Night 1 - confirmed. Tans was delayed last night - there was a kill and a vanillia - pretty much confirms him non-mafia.

BB, if Vezok and tans started as mafia, then of COURSE tans knew that Andy was roleblocker. If Vezok is mafia, then we have no confirmation that Tans was delayed.

Let's be clear. If Killjoy is telling the truth, then cult day investigated AND day killed at the same time, when in fact none of them have flipped with roles that indicate multiple mid day powers, and on top of that, they would have to control MULTIPLE investigative powers rather than one shot powers.

So, do we really think it's likely that cult started with 3 players, and ALSO day investigated AND day killed on the same day, and ALSO day investigated another player after their JOAT died?

BB, please do not get distracted by the fact that KJ and Ludi both tried to posthumously buddy with you. They're just trying to get you to mislynch town so the remaining recruit can win.

As Kast indicated, mafia recruited as cult is the obvious explanation for the muffin kill coming from both cult and mafia; Vezok mafia + Tans mafia/cult recruit is the only explanation that is both consistent with Moderator posted scenes and also with the possible claimed actions.

[Kast]

Also, keep in mind, there are 6 alive. it takes 4 to lynch.

Also as Kast pointed out, Vezok was at 3, and hiplop did not hammer for the win. If vezok was town and hiplop was mafia, then hammering vezok would have cleared Kast and Tans as non vanillizer, leading to the exact same KJ lynch we just did, and thus a mafia win. That's objective proof that hiplop cannot be mafia.

Also, what is a pinata? Multi-shot bullet proof? Bullet proof that gives bonuses to the team if it gets hit/killed?

[tanstalas]

Not recruited. Still town. Still vanilla. Still apathetic to this game and pissed because I lost my powerz

Carry on.