Mini 1547 - Wicked Mafia (Game Over!)

[T-Bone]

Protip: Can't edit posts.

[Mina]

Shush. You and your

facts

.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

You haven't even seen the hydra QT where we talk about how to get past you in even more detail but that'll be a secret forever.

[Aronis]

Why'd you guys lynch me?

I even had perfect reads.

[Untrod Tripod]

buddying mina super hard was probably my favorite part of this game

[Nachomamma8]

I loved this game so much but pushing Mina made me feel like a horrible person

[Nachomamma8]

I really feel like what made this game the best was how well I clicked with scrummates, though. The UT and me exchange was fucking hilarious, Mala fucking wrecked it, and F-16 is an absolutely incredible person to hydra with.

there's not a number of words or QUESTIONS you can DEMAND ANSWERS to that's going to make me say "oh, I guess he's town"

I'm not intimidatable that way

I'm ignoring you because I'm not in the best of moods at the moment and this game isn't helping much. I'm saying what I want to say now because I haven't had the best of luck throwing out last wills on my own time and I've regretted every time I haven't gotten to post before stupid shit happens. If you like me at all at a person or don't want to be an absolute shithead, please recognize that I'm not in the best of places at the moment and stop engaging. Thank you.

*hug*

so so so so so so so guilty

[Zdenek]

That Ghat wasn't lynched saddens me.

[Untrod Tripod]

psh, we gave you ghat and mala, not my fault you're so enamored with reading your own words that you refuse to see it

also this post

loldongs

[ToastyToast]

Why'd you guys lynch me?

I even had perfect reads.

Process of elimination for me....which I usually hate, I should've know better.

[T-Bone]

Day 1 was the most beautiful days of mafia I've ever been a part of.

[Fenchurch]

So...

I'm sorry to Medea for the incorrect and relentless tunnelling D2 - D4, and penguin, I do like you as a player; I'm sorry if you really don't feel the same way. I acknowledge that I was wrong (and somewhat influenced by conf-bias), although I'm still not sure what would have been the correct play from our point of view (aside from, you know, better reads). I was a bit reassured to see Tammy in the dead topic says that she might also have been suspicious of the 'friendly neighbour' slip. Although it made more sense when you explained about your recently completed game that also contained a friendly neighbour and neighbourhood combo; but by that point it was too late. And not that this makes it any better: but one of the reasons why I came into D5 thinking notsci was the likely scum, was because he got on board with our case in the end, when most of the rest of the town was dismissing it...

I'm sorry for being so easily swayed by F16 and Nacho's hydra-convos in the neighbourhood.

And for voting for Aronis and not Mala on D3, when our slot had more information at that time (due to our role). There were two reasons for this: one, at the time I genuinely did think Mala was more likely to be town than Aronis. Aronis - the reason why I thought you were scummy is because you pushed for Mala to use the gladiate at a bad time (we were still two days away from lylo), on

yourself

and not on a scumread of yours, for a silly reason, and then said things like 'Mala is not my top scum read, she's null', and didn't answer when I asked you to give more explanation for all of these actions.

The second reason I didn't vote Mala is possibly a bad one, but... with notsci so adamant that anyone voting Mala was scum, I was rather nervous that voting Mala would look like we were opportunistic-scum trying to get rid of a player who most viewed as town. So yeah; I worry about looking scummy when I'm town, and that's probably bad play. But given how many people were wary of us, I do wonder if at that stage, us voting for Mala would have turned away any potential supporters of her lynch.

Fear of looking scummy also affected my D5 play; personally, I was still weighing up the chances of Ghato and even Mina as scum-partners for Mala, but I was hesitant to post my thoughts on these pairings, because I thought that would look like I was trying to push suspicion onto

everyone

. I hoped that if we got the Mala-lynch then we could talk about all the possible pairings in the neighbourhood overnight, and people should have stopped suspecting us by then. On that topic, there was a post of Ghato's on D5 that I thought was a bit sketchy - #3175 where Nacho speculates about Mala's partner, and posits that 'notsci will probably kill Ghato, Amper will probably kill Mina'. I thought it was weird that Nacho seemed to consider us as a partner more than Mina, especially given their suspicion of Mina throughout the game. But maybe there was something I missed that made it make sense?

Reading the scumtopic, I'm really impressed by Nacho's play, I think he was very perceptive about what the scumteam needed to be doing and held things together well.

Overall, I'm glad to have played with everyone who was in the game.

And honestly, that bazinga kill made me think crazy things! After just protecting the 'correct' player but a night too early, and having deliberately chosen bazinga the night before because we thought that would leave us free to protect correctly the following night, I was convinced that we'd finally stop a kill, or else, that the Toasty-kill would go through and we could confirm there was a roleblocker. Either way, we could claim and we'd have some kind of evidence or additional info to support with our claim. Instead, the same thing happened AGAIN where the player died who we'd previously protected, AND I was sure that Toasty would be killed the following night (which he was). I'm actually kinda disappointed that we didn't get the Mala lynch and then Ghato kill Mina, to round out the list (we debated protecting nobody N4 but in the end opted to protect Mina, for the reasoning that she *might* still die and if she did it would reflect badly on us, although by the start of D5 we decided it had been a bad choice and we should have protected no one).

Tammy - thanks for modding, you ran the game really well, and I thought it was a good setup. Will you post the full night actions? I think most have been claimed but I'd still be curious to see everything all together.

[Fenchurch]

I'm actually kinda disappointed that we didn't get the Mala lynch and then Ghato kill Mina, to round out the list

... I really did consider whether the reason we were a non-consecutive doctor was to ensure that our 'protections' would become kills without it being too obvious to us...

Looking back on the D3 gladiate-mislynch, does anyone think that we actually could have gotten Mala lynched, if I'd voted differently there? We needed 5 to lynch, I know there was Aronis, bazinga, us and maybe Mina, but who else? Medea were supporting Aronis-scum, notsci was strongly opposed to lynching Mala. Toasty, could you have been persuaded onto Mala? Or maybe Ghato would have bussed at that stage?

Also Tammy - the opening post currently has Madame Morrible listed as a Gladiator, I think that should be Jailkeeper.

[Tammy]

Also Tammy - the opening post currently has Madame Morrible listed as a Gladiator, I think that should be Jailkeeper.

Thanks! It's fixed.

I totally forgot to put the night actions up. I will in a minute.

[Zdenek]

but... with notsci so adamant that anyone voting Mala was scum, I was rather nervous that voting Mala would look like we were opportunistic-scum trying to get rid of a player who most viewed as town

I think this is a huge problem in mafia. Well, two problems: people being over confident in their town reads and people thinking that other people are scum for disagreeing with them.

[Tammy]

Night One:

ToastyToast friendly neighbors Notscience - successful
Ampersand protects Chamber - successful
Chamber rolecops Medea the Alien - successful
Medea the Alien neighborizes Ghatokaca - successful
Osseus Tripidotus kills zdenek - successful

Night Two:

ToastyToast friendly neighbors bazinga - successful
Ampersand protects bazinga - successful
Medea the Alien neighborizes Ampersand - successful
Ghatokaca kills katsuki - successful

Night Three:

ToastyToast friendly neighbors Mina - successful
Medea the Alien neighborizes Mina - successful
Ampersand protects ToastyToast - successful
Malakittens kills bazinga - successful

Night Four:

Ampersand protects Mina
Ghatokaca jailkeeps Ampersand
Ghatokaca kills ToastyToast


(I think this should be correct. I lost my file where I had everything listed.)

[BROseidon]

Depends on whether you're talking gut reads or logic reads.

Logic reads differing are largely fine; logic is largely conditioned socially, so people from different backgrounds coming to different conclusions via logic happens a lot (ffery made a comment about this one time re: mollie about how disagreement about logic doesn't necessarily mean right/wrong. I think it was in the Xenoblade dead thread).

The one time when this isn't the case is between two very accurate gut-read players disagreeing. Like, for instance, if ActionDan and I disagree on a gut read, and I'm town, I'm gonna be worried about AD, since his gut reads are generally very solid.

Mina using that as a point against me day 1 for gut-scumreading Mala, on the other hand, doesn't apply to the above, since Mina is one of the least gut-driven players I've seen. I've been meaning to make a comment on that, because that post was in particularly very frustrating to read.

[Zdenek]

Of course there are certain players that you may be able to read in this way, but that's so specific that it's not really relevant.

[BROseidon]

There are maybe 3 or 4 players that I feel I can get decent reads off that way?

It's not a lot, but it's enough to be worth noting.

[Tammy]

Funny. Action Dan's gut reads suck on me. He rarely gets my alignment right.

[Bert]

But Tammy, you are always 1000% obvtown!

[Tammy]

I KNOW!

Well, not to ActionDan and definitely not to AurorusVox, who always reads me as scum.

[Katsuki]

I always read you as scum Tammy~ <3

It's fun sometimes to be almost 100% wrong about a player... then you start reading opposite to what you think they are.

[penguin_alien]

Thanks for the game, Tammy, and congrats to the scum team!

Definitely an interesting game; left me with a lot to think about.

[Equinox]

Mine?