Scummies 2008 Nominations! (Deadline: 1/15)

[gorckat]

I'd like to nominate:

the fonz

for

"best performance, town"

For literally breaking the setup in open 82, texas justice.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=100

Wow.

Third

for best performance and

nth

for Professor Mafia.

[PokerFace]

I just got around to checking this thread after reading said game.

I'd like to nominate:

the fonz

for

"best performance, town"

For literally breaking the setup in open 82, texas justice.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=100

Wow.

Third

for best performance and

nth

for Professor Mafia.

Upon further review, I endorse this product and/or service.

nth both!

Edit: If I had to pick just one I personally think he would deserve the professor one more since I do believe he said something to the equivalent of joining the game in order to test said gamebreaking idea, but either way his performances/contrabutions should not be ignored easily.

[Gaspar]

Nomination for Best Performance by an Individual (Pro-Town):

Glork

, for California Trilogy 2: Dantes in Fresno. He picked up on several people being scum (including myself) out of the blue,

sua sponte

.

I object.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I just got around to checking this thread after reading said game.

I'd like to nominate:

the fonz

for

"best performance, town"

For literally breaking the setup in open 82, texas justice.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=100

Wow.

Third

for best performance and

nth

for Professor Mafia.

Upon further review, I endorse this product and/or service.

nth both!

Edit: If I had to pick just one I personally think he would deserve the professor one more since I do believe he said something to the equivalent of joining the game in order to test said gamebreaking idea, but either way his performances/contrabutions should not be ignored easily.

Not to be a sour puss, but...

You guys do realize that this Texas Justice has already been broken, right? The Fonz's game-breaking strategy was just a variation on the original strategy that mathcam created in the first Texas Justice mafia. It's not really anything new to see someone break this setup. I'd support best performance, but I don't think Professor Mafia fits the bill, since he didn't contribute anything new.

[Farkshinsoup]

I'd like to suggest a new category: Best IC.

To recognize the players that donate their time and MS energy to newbies and newbie games.

I think that it takes a lot of patience and skill to impart reliable and useful information to new players within an environment where paranoia and suspicion are endemic. The best ones also play the game well while they're doing it.

[gorckat]

Second: Best IC category

[Thestatusquo]

Second:

third Best IC category

[PokerFace]

I just got around to checking this thread after reading said game.

I'd like to nominate:

the fonz

for

"best performance, town"

For literally breaking the setup in open 82, texas justice.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=100

Wow.

Third

for best performance and

nth

for Professor Mafia.

Upon further review, I endorse this product and/or service.

nth both!

Edit: If I had to pick just one I personally think he would deserve the professor one more since I do believe he said something to the equivalent of joining the game in order to test said gamebreaking idea, but either way his performances/contrabutions should not be ignored easily.

Not to be a sour puss, but...

You guys do realize that this Texas Justice has already been broken, right? The Fonz's game-breaking strategy was just a variation on the original strategy that mathcam created in the first Texas Justice mafia. It's not really anything new to see someone break this setup. I'd support best performance, but I don't think Professor Mafia fits the bill, since he didn't contribute anything new.

Really? I didn't know that. Can I see a link to what mathcam did?

[farside22]

Fourth: Best IC category

[Thestatusquo]

A relevant question would then become "is the IC award for qualitative play or for quantitative play"

I'm not sure which is the better one to re-enforce.

[hasdgfas]

A relevant question would then become "is the IC award for qualitative play or for quantitative play"

I'm not sure which is the better one to re-enforce.

I'm pretty sure that the judges could use a combination of both, in addition to how helpful they are for the newbies. I don't think it should be either qualitative play or quantitative play, as neither is really what the ICs are for. They're there to help the newbies, in addition to playing with them, so a combination of all three is probably the best way of deciding.

[Thok]

I'd like to suggest a new category: Best IC.

To recognize the players that donate their time and MS energy to newbies and newbie games.

I think that it takes a lot of patience and skill to impart reliable and useful information to new players within an environment where paranoia and suspicion are endemic. The best ones also play the game well while they're doing it.

We've had this in the past. The problem is that nobody was sure who deserved to be nominated for it.

[Farkshinsoup]

A relevant question would then become "is the IC award for qualitative play or for quantitative play"

I'm not sure which is the better one to re-enforce.

I'm pretty sure that the judges could use a combination of both, in addition to how helpful they are for the newbies. I don't think it should be either qualitative play or quantitative play, as neither is really what the ICs are for. They're there to help the newbies, in addition to playing with them, so a combination of all three is probably the best way of deciding.

IMO, it should not necessarily be awarded for performance in one particular game, like many of the other awards, although particular games can be used to demonstrate why they deserve the nomination.

[Farkshinsoup]

It could be a straight quantity award. At the end of the year just tally up who signed up for the most games, and rename it "Most Prolific IC". No nominations, and maybe it will have the side effect of motivating IC's to play in even more newbie games to win the award.

[hasdgfas]

It could be a straight quantity award. At the end of the year just tally up who signed up for the most games, and rename it "Most Prolific IC". No nominations, and maybe it will have the side effect of motivating IC's to play in even more newbie games to win the award.

bad idea, it tells people to join lots of games as IC which will lower their quality of play

[gorckat]

I think a mix of quantity and quality would be best.

Signing up for one game as an IC and doing a great job shouldn't win the award, and neither should signingup for a hundred and doing a poor job.

Perhaps nominations should be made only by either newbie mods and/or IC's (kinda obv- they're the people most likely to come into contact with ICs often enough to say who has done well).

[farside22]

I was thinking that the newbie, other IC's and mod's can point out who the best IC's are. Just because someone signs up for 1 or 20 games really shouldn't be a factor. It is who is helping the newbs out, to making the game enjoyable as well as educational.

[charter]

Nominate:

Skruffs

Award:

Funniest player (or funniest post if there is one)

Game:

viewtopic.php?p=1114391#1114391

Pretty hilarious post by Skruffs in the Cop Central game.

[Skruffs]

I'd like to suggest a new category: Best IC.

To recognize the players that donate their time and MS energy to newbies and newbie games.

I think that it takes a lot of patience and skill to impart reliable and useful information to new players within an environment where paranoia and suspicion are endemic. The best ones also play the game well while they're doing it.

If you only get rewarded as an IC for winning games, then ICs will be more ruthless towards newbies. In many newbie games I have intentionally said blatantly false or scummy things to encourage the newbies to 'scumhunt' and to realize that scum do not play by the rules. I've done this as town too to show that pro-town players are not always right, too, which is a concernedly-growing trend among players as of late. If there is going to be a "Best IC" category, it should be 'ruled' by newbies; IE if a newb thinks an IC in a newbie game was helpful in teaching in some way, they should do the nominating. Otherwise it's just ICs patting themselves on the back.

[eldarad]

I don't think there should be a scummy for "Best IC" at all.
I still like the idea of an IC-invitational - that strikes me as a much better reward.

I just don't see how you can measure how good an IC is. After all, the "results" of good IC'ing are good newbies. But newbies get good through a whole range of things (or were born naturally good at mafia...)

[Farkshinsoup]

I just don't see how you can measure how good an IC is.

How does anyone get "measured" for the purposes of receiving a Scummy? Someone nominates them, and then a group of judges picks one. It's not like we need a rigorous set of criteria here.

[OhGodMyLife]

I agree with Gorc, the nominations for best IC should come from the newbies who are playing in the games.

Which means we should probably make this thread more widely known...

[MafiaSSK]

Put this thread in the Wiki?

[Yosarian2]

If you only get rewarded as an IC for winning games, then ICs will be more ruthless towards newbies. In many newbie games I have intentionally said blatantly false or scummy things to encourage the newbies to 'scumhunt' and to realize that scum do not play by the rules. I've done this as town too to show that pro-town players are not always right, too, which is a concernedly-growing trend among players as of late. If there is going to be a "Best IC" category, it should be 'ruled' by newbies; IE if a newb thinks an IC in a newbie game was helpful in teaching in some way, they should do the nominating. Otherwise it's just ICs patting themselves on the back.

Uh...if you've delibratly said false and scummy things as town in a newbie game, in a way you never would in a non-newbie game, Skruffs, all you're doing is screwing up the developing scumdar of new players. That's really what scumdar is, is that over time people start to learn from experence that people act one way as scum but a different way as town. If you're screwing with your playstyle as either one, to try to "teach" them something, you're just making it harder for them to learn how to play.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Not to be a sour puss, but...

You guys do realize that this Texas Justice has already been broken, right? The Fonz's game-breaking strategy was just a variation on the original strategy that mathcam created in the first Texas Justice mafia. It's not really anything new to see someone break this setup. I'd support best performance, but I don't think Professor Mafia fits the bill, since he didn't contribute anything new.

Really? I didn't know that. Can I see a link to what mathcam did?

Texas Justice Mafia