Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Blackberry]

@Kast - it's not being anal. It's a LIE DETECTOR. Saying you are a 'townie' is technically a lie if you are a tracker, or a former tracker. Unless your new role is specifically a 'townie'. ?

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Actually, I'm pretty sure Muffin was going to Watch me or something, and is probably why the mafia killed him X_x. I don't think it's safe to assume anything with what Muffin did last night.

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Kast makes sense about the delay thing. Kast can only be mafia if Vezok is mafia too... And considering I have a guilty on both... One would have to be redirector and the other vanillalizer, yet OS claimed to have been blocked/Delayed Night 1.

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Right now I'm down for lynching Tans. I am sort of clearing Killjoy/Hiplop on their claims which could be a huge mistake. Andrius made a point to b!tch about that as he died which might point to one of them actually being his partner and he trying to throw us off... would a mafia really announce that and say 'F#ck this game, these two people aren't my mafia partners'. Yet no WL has flipped mafia that has died... (or one was the 'recruit' as I mentioned earlier...)

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Is a Tans/Toasty combo possible?

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Is it possible we only have one mafia left? (LOL)

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Still want a claim from hiplop...

[Kast]

Oh, and for BB's reference, mod role PM states (paraphrased) that I am Jade (tracker), member of the Green Lantern Corps. The image in my role is not on the Jade wiki page.

[Blackberry]

No one answered my question about the flavor behind being vanillialized... ?

[Kast]

One mafia left is possible; I think we've seen to many night actions for that to be true. Remaining mafia MUST be vanilla, and also must have made the kill. More likely, we have two left.

KJ: I want a claim on your original power.

Hiplop and KJ: Does your WL role info suggest that the other WLs are town? Muffin indicated strongly that it does, and he was pretty sharp throughout the game, but D1 Nik was claiming that other WLs are not confirmed town, only confirmed non CR.

The possible mafia arrangements that are consistent with the known and confirmed night actions are:

Vezok + Anyone

Toast + CJ

Toast + Tans

Vezok can literally be mafia with anyone except for Kast, unless Kast + Vezok have double GF or have GF + redicrector + nilla + tracker between the two of us. With his delay, they can circumvent any RB. I could see Vezok as Killer Frost (who I think during the start of the D1 he originally claimed then retracted).

[tanstalas]

KAST - You still haven't answered me how you think 3 people got vanillaized in 1 night.

[tanstalas]

No one answered my question about the flavor behind being vanillialized... ?

I think I did?

Anyhow, it was like - kinda ironic that the person who steals peoples powers got his stolen.

[tanstalas]

Right now I'm down for lynching Tans.

Because you are a moron.

[tanstalas]

Seriously. BB. Get your head out of your ass and Lynch Kast. Or lynch me. I do not care at this point. When I flip fucking town you can lynch Kast.

There is no fucking way that 3 people got vanillaized in the same night.

If you want to lynch me, I will help you with the fucking lynch. Fail town is being derp derp

[Blackberry]

@Tans, assuming Kast is mafia... who do you think his partner is? Because right now, from the looks of it, it appears as if you're trying to bus a partner so when he flips mafia you can say 'yay look I am cleared'. (In this scenario, Kast is Godfather/Redircot (not tracker), Tans is Vanillializer and everything makes sense I think... in fact, in this scenario, tans & Kast & Andrius all clear eachother Day 2, Day 3, Kast & Tans claim vanillialized in order to not have to be cleared by anyone else and to confuse people ^_^).

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@Kast, can you refresh us on your MULTIPLE crumbs? I recall you only posting one crumb...

[Blackberry]

Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?

Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).

[tanstalas]

@Tans, assuming Kast is mafia... who do you think his partner is? Because right now, from the looks of it, it appears as if you're trying to bus a partner so when he flips mafia you can say 'yay look I am cleared'. (In this scenario, Kast is Godfather/Redircot (not tracker), Tans is Vanillializer and everything makes sense I think... in fact, in this scenario, tans & Kast & Andrius all clear eachother Day 2, Day 3, Kast & Tans claim vanillialized in order to not have to be cleared by anyone else and to confuse people ^_^).

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@Kast, can you refresh us on your MULTIPLE crumbs? I recall you only posting one crumb...

Vezok will be his partner if he flips scum, since Vezok claimed to have delayed him N2

[tanstalas]

Seriously do the fucking lie detector thing on me now.


When I am given the green light lynch fucking kast, then Vezok

[Blackberry]

ALSO, have either of you answered my Vanillized question?

Because if Toast gets in here and says right away "Yes, the flavor explicitly says blah, blah, blah" yet both of you are explicitly ignoring my question, that looks very suspect on both of you being together. Because if you were mafia faking vanillalized and didn't exactly receive the word-for-word PM then you wouldn't know how to answer that question. :-/

[tanstalas]

Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?

Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).

Didn't someone lose their powers last night?

So not 1 shot.

Lynch fucking Kast

Or me.

2 scum left. 2 lynches today

Mislynch me, I flip town.

Kill kast

1 scum left, 3 town

kill Vezok tomorrow

Cheeeeers bitches.

[tanstalas]

ALSO, have either of you answered my Vanillized question?

Because if Toast gets in here and says right away "Yes, the flavor explicitly says blah, blah, blah" yet both of you are explicitly ignoring my question, that looks very suspect on both of you being together. Because if you were mafia faking vanillalized and didn't exactly receive the word-for-word PM then you wouldn't know how to answer that question. :-/

I answered it many times.

Why are you not fucking reading?


Seriously. I am gonna rage quit from this game because you are being derp derp

[tanstalas]

And no, there was no mention of my losing my ring, just that I lost all my abilities.

Fucking L2READ BB

[Blackberry]

Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?

Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).

Didn't someone lose their powers last night?

I just said it's possible that Toasty is lying -_-...

HOWEVER.

Rereading Andrius, in the past few days, he has been very pushy on who to vote for, I noticed he doesn't spread himself thin though and I have a theory he only voted for non-mafia members.

Nikanor he pushed for (though claimed a coin-flip made him choose Ludi > Nikanor).

He also was strongly against Toasty (but not so much recently... huh?).

Which leaves you 3 + hiplop.

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Tans ...

If Vezok & Kast are mafia - how do I have an innocent on BOTH?
How was OS also blocked/delayed Night 1? You stole from Andrius Night 1 so he couldn't have done it.

That would require a: Vanillalizer, Redirector, and a Delayer/Roleblocker role... O.o

I think Tans is bluffing us by yelling at us to use the ability on him >_<.

[Blackberry]

Unless, somehow, hiplop is a townie vanillalizer O.o

[vezokpiraka]

I am aligned with the town.
I'm Ice.

[vezokpiraka]

I delayed tansalas

[Blackberry]

WOW, Vezok, literally, just claimed mafia.

If Kast is Vanillializer, Vezok is his mafia partner. (N2, there were 3 vanillialized, vezok delayed Kast)
If Tans is Vanillalizer, Vezok is his mafia partner. (N4, there was 1 vanillialized, vezok delayed Tans).

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In other words, there is a few options, only one scenario in which Vezok isn't scum:

Scenario 1: One of Kast/Tans is vanillializer, Vezok is the scum partner.
Scenario 2: Vezok is the Vanillializer.
Scenario 3: Vezok is in fact town, in which case, hiplop MUST be the Vanillializer, as this clears both Kast/Tans.

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Is there anyone that debates any part of this?

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For anyone that thinks three vanillias on Night 2 is impossible and one is faking, your vote should be on Vezok, because if one of them is faking, then Vezok MUST be scum as well.

[Blackberry]

Hint @ Killjoy: Don't waste your thing on Vezok. He is pretty much confirmed scum at this point IMO. >_<

[Killjoy]

I am aligned with town.

Sending in lie detector on this part of this post.

I get a results that say

This statement is true

This statement is false

I don't know whether this statement is true or false

If I get the result that Tans's statement is true I am voting Kast as he is probably lying about his vanillalization so he wouldn't have to post more results

His 3362 is horrible and I dont like how he is planning our course of action when he is very suspicious. Blackberry, thoughts on Vezok? I feel like he is mafia but I cant think :/

Meerrrrrrrrrr

[Kast]

BB: I agree with your conclusion on vezok: if he is town, then it confirms tans and myself as NOT being vanillizer. If he is mafia then he's scum.

KJ: Are you an idiot? Can you not follow simple logic? Or is that just an act?

I was vanilla'ed on N2. WLC was vanilla'ed on N2. Tans claimed vanilla'ed N2. Vezok claimed delay on me N2. Therefore, even if you ASSUME that I am faking it, Vezok HAS to be mafia. Conversely, if Vezok is not mafia, then I CANNOT be vanillizer.

Add on top of that the fact that BB already got town results on Vezok AND me, and that I posted confirmed tracker results, this literally requires that between the two of us we have three confirmed abilities:

GF or redirect, vanilla-izer, tracker

And also requires that last night we used 3 actions:

Night kill + vanilla on Toasty + godfather/redirect on BB

Srsly now.

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I think best course of action is to wait on KJ's claim results, if he claims inno, we ignore him for now and focus on Vezok. I am pretty sure we have a solved game with a vezok lynch.

Best case: We lynch vezok, he is mafia GF/redirector. This clears Toasty, BB, and myself (confirmed night actions), and puts us at 5 town, 1, mafia, with 3 confirmed town, and at least 3 lynches to mafia's 1 NK. If we also consider KJ's result on tans:

If KJ claims inno (most likely claim if he's scum), this scenario puts us at 5 town, 1 scum, with 4 confirmed (tans would be confirmed if there is only one scum left). with 3 lynches to the one mafia kill.

BTW* even if you stubbornly ignore my tracker result, that is still 5 town with 3 confirmed, 1 mafia, and 3 lynches to 1 NK.

If KJ claims mafia, then we are automatically one-for-one with the last mafia.

2nd case: We lynch vezok, he is mafia nilla-izer. This means remaining mafia must be a redirector. This hard clears Toasty, BB, and myself (confirmed night actions), and also separately confirms Tans and myself as not the nillizer, putting us again at 5 town, 1 mafia, with *4 confirmed town*, and at least 3 lynches to mafia's 1 NK.

In this scenario, it doesn't matter what KJ's result will be, though he cna pretty much only get away with claiming town.

3rd case: We lynch vezok, he is town. This hard clears tans and me as not nilla-izer, leaving KJ+Toasty, KJ+Hiplop, or Toasty+Hiplop as the possible scum teams, but also confirms Toasty, BB, Tans, and myself as not the nilla-izer. This puts us at 4 town, 2 mafia, and pretty much guarantees KJ as the nilla-izer.

[Kast]

BTW, BB, I'm not ignoring this; the soft crumbs and hard crumb are all explained in post 3074, with

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links to explanations and the soft bread crumbs.

The gist of it is that I opened D2 with the hard crumb post, and also indicated my original suspicion including both Andy and Tans. However, my second post (and every single other post after that D2) I did not include tans in my suspicion list, because I was convinced Andy was scum, and Tans wouldn't have targeted Andy if he was scum. Note how, even before Tans ever posted D2, I already had him off my suspicion list. Note also how tans' claim was subtle, to the point that scum wouldn't know that Tans targeted Andy; Andy kept posting that he targeted tans. If I was faking a track Andy onto Tans, I would also have assumed that Tans was talking about being blocked rather than blocking Andy. Tans only clearly claimed this well after Andy continued to post the opposite.

My posts 1105 and 1107 also strongly support this in that I refer to Tans's interaction on Andy rather than Andy on Tans.