TemporalLich's Grand Idea [Game Over]

[Bell]

No, I just don't know whether I want to bet the game on the scum shooting each other or if I want to bet the game on one of them not having a night kill.

[Bell]

I am starting to doubt that there is a survivior though as I feel they should already have claimed. Though, I recognize that in a tiny part of their brain there might be that fear that someone is a vig/day vig that inexplicably has saved their shot for literally just this moment.

Which is quite he take.

I wouldn't mind if everyone just truthfully claimed and we accepted a draw or or decided which faction should win.

[Bell]

But given they have stubbornly insisted on lying I doubt they're going to change their mind any time soon.

[TemporalLich]

Nono has been prodded.

[Nono]

sorry, sorry,, here now, had things to do, forgot about this, etc etc
am trueclaiming,, repeat, town 60% bulletproof,, am wondering if you are rolefishing whether i'm worth shooting or not,, did i see through you? x)

thoughts, as of right now
composition is 3v3, most likely to me,, like mentioned, no one claimed survivor,, scum can't be from the same faction, etc etc,, 1 maf, 1 wolf, 2 town
problem is, elim 1 scum makes us lose,, remaining scum shoots town,, parity

town elim gives risky shootout,, no guarantees
can no elim possibly,, possibly better, unsure,, unless i'm missing something

[Nono]

thinking, "roll the dice" aka no elim, am a betting man after all)

even if survivor, need to get rid of killing scum for us to be safe (or me/town)

[Bell]

I can't shoot anybody without a gun.

So Vax and Nono want to no eliminate?

[Bell]

Ndmath what about you, do you want to no eliminate as well?

[Nono]

was wrong, maybe,, thinking big chance of locklose anyway

unsure next move, wait for others to weigh in,, offer protown strategies only)

v/la 19 hours

[Bell]

They already weighed in.
You were the last one.

[Bell]

I agree that there are no other factions with consistent kills outside of the mafia and Werewolves still alive. Just based off of the kills being consistent with that. Whether the werewolves or mafia were totally wiped out in the last round of nk's does not appear knowable.
I am not knowledgeable enough about mafia to know what scenarios beyond a survivor there could be other than the one scenario listed.

My guess is that nono is a survivor, NDmath is town. Vax is a werewolf.

If there is mafia+werewolf

I think that Nono is town, NDmath is mafia, Vax is a werewolf.

There is a world where Vax is just weird town. But I can't do much with that.

That's my current *solves*

[Bell]

I think the best idea is to force two people to cross vote.
If neither get instantly hammered we know who the survivor/scum are.

From there we can renegotiate their claims.
It's risky but it seems hypothetically sound?

[Vaxkiller]

Explain it to me, point by point how you expect to win my fading scum today?

From my point of view:
I'm town.

Supposedly there is a mechanical thing going on with ndmath and bell that proves bell is town? I'm not sure what that is, maybe someone can tell me, but here is how i see it:

Bell Town
nono Scum
ndmath Scum

ndmaths mechaical is either a lie in this situation, or semi truthful, or a good guess depending on the mechanical

Bell Scum
nono Town
ndmath Scum

ndmaths mechaical is either a lie in this situation, or semi truthful, or a "bad" guess depending on the mechanical in which bell knows ndmath is the other type of scum.

Bell Scum
nono Scum
ndmath Town

this cant exist unless ndmaths mechanical is just outright wrong.

Can everyone remind me of thier abilities?

Bell I need you to show your math on how "we" (if your town) can win this if we fade someone. I fail to see how.

[Bell]

Town neighbor townie counter.
In a neighborhood with NDmath.
As long as I'm alive mod will announce the number of living town aligned players each day.

I see two ways to win.
There's a survivor
or the other not-town doesn't have an nk and we kill the not town with the NK today.

We can also force them to concede by having them counter vote one another. Because if they're not hammered because both not-town voted each other our leverage forces them to make concessions or choose a draw. This might also force a survivor to claim allowing us to identify the non-survivor.

[Bell]

We can also win obviously if both not-town have a night kill and kill each other.

In the cross vote scenario, it's mostly just about using leverage to get a better position.

[Vaxkiller]

here's a survivor
or the other not-town doesn't have an nk and we kill the not town with the NK today.

No survivors
Why would the non town not have a nk with what we know, with wolfs and mafias flipping?

[Vaxkiller]

We can also win obviously if both not-town have a night kill and kill each other.

In the cross vote scenario, it's mostly just about using leverage to get a better position.

This is waht im pushing for, i dont want to end the day now, I want to direct scum to each other, forcing this.

[Vaxkiller]

It's the only view in my mind that we have a chance

[NDMath]

@Vax
I'm an Informed Neighbor.
I know Bell is not mafia. (He can still be another scum though.)
I can talk to Bell in a private thread.

Also @Vax, nono still has to be a nontown twilight extender from your point of view, unless you have an alternative explanation?

In the cross vote scenario, it's mostly just about using leverage to get a better position.

Okay, this part wasn't getting across to me. I understand now.
How do you force someone to vote someone else though, when the town-optimal play is to not vote (under your scenario)?

[Bell]

You say you'll vote them if they don't vote the other guy. Ensuring they die if they don't cross vote. Given that their only goal is to live to end game they should comply.

[Vaxkiller]

Im still not seeing the logic behind any of this.

[Nono]

what?? twilight extender is a role,, not guaranteed to be scum, dislike you trying to turn people against each other,, for the last time, not twilight extender, IT DOESN’T MATTER though

right now, thinking vax is town,, vax, the other is me,, bell and maths are antitown, trying to get us to elim,, when elimming SCUM is bad, you’ve screwed up, we’ve screwed up x)

asked mod about my role, it’s better than i thought,, saying we have a chance now, put faith in nono VOTE: no elimination

[TemporalLich]

VC 6.2

No Exile

(1)

- Nono

[E-1]

Not voting: Vaxkiller, Bell, NDMath

With 4 alive it takes greater than 2 to exile.

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-03-29 01:05:00) or when an exile is reached.

[Vaxkiller]

I was really thinking bell as the other town, but 3196 was on point. Im leaning nono as town now.

NDmath and Bell, you guys can shoot each other tonight.

VOTE: no elim

[TemporalLich]

VC 6.3

No Exile

(2)

- Nono, Vaxkiller

[NO EXILE!]

Not voting: Vaxkiller, Bell, NDMath

With 4 alive it takes greater than 2 to exile.

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-03-29 01:05:00) or when an exile is reached.