New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[RachMarie]

You stating he went nowhere would make sense from a sk II PoV after all you would not get a good track from an II SK.

[hebichan]

Did fire ever claim? I'm curious now.

[RachMarie]

Nope just looked at his ISO again and sure enough he has not claimed.

[hebichan]

I'm gonna wait for his post, but since I've been trying to get him lynched for two days, it's pretty likely will vote that way.

[Slandaar]

I will post properly tomorrow but Perf should also full claim.

[Performer]

What's all this talk about SK II? Never heard of that term. Anyone else would find it believable from you , Rach, but I find it tough to believe considering my role

and

what has already flipped.

Because of this new & unexpected development of 4 scum and 1 SK rather than 3 scum and 1 SK , I don't think it's smart for me to claim the 2nd part of this role anymore, in case we get the lynch wrong. Then we go to night again and it's just too risky.

Regardless, I thought Fire already claimed. Since he didn't, I want to hear Fire's claim first and then see what else we can do.

I hope this isn't the wrong thing to do.
UNVOTE: Rach

Rach: on a related note, is this why you kept asking me about clarifying mylo and lylo? From my perspective it was impossible to have other PRs remaining, considering KTS & I should've been the final 2 of the 5. With you, it's 6 Town PRs. Hmm.

[RachMarie]

II means Investigation Immune

From the wiki

Serial Killers are often awarded the win if all players die, typically done by wording the win condition akin to "you win when all other players are dead, whether you are alive or not".
Serial Killers are often given One-Shot or unlimited Bulletproof. This stymies attempts to kill the SK by the Mafia or Vigs, if temporarily.

Serial Killers have also been seen with investigation immunity like Godfathers, or Tracker/Watcher immunity like Ninjas.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Serial_Killer

[Firebringer]

I believe I claimed yesterday with my rant about how a ducking tracker lurked the ducj out while I'm a VT

[hebichan]

Well I'm not sure what I expected tbh.

[Slandaar]

4 maf plus 1 sk would be too unbalanced against town, and I was not the only one to point that out.

4 Maf are dead

perhaps scum wanted to get towncred by lyching the SK and get rid of his competition at the same time.

Lynching the SK doesn't mean you are not mafia thus you don't (shouldn't) get towncred for lynching an SK.

Anyways I do think Nero thought I am the SK as it's the only reason he would claim against me as he did. He is going to be doubly annoyed in the deadthread.

My analysis of night 6 is that KTS and SS targeted one another, and that the SK did a no kill. This is going to be tough.

It's not unlikely that they both shot KTS (I expect this is what happened - why would SK nokill? if worried about being tracked by you shooting you is just better)

I don't think it's smart for me to claim the 2nd part of this role anymore, in case we get the lynch wrong.

Claiming will help us make the right lynch. It's not really possible to do setup analysis without knowing your full role.

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My reads haven't been stellar this game but they are not bad either. They haven't changed recently - The only player left who I am not completely sure is town is Hebi, I expect he is the SK. Won't vote right now as hopefully Perf will claim...

[Performer]

My apologies everyone, I mis-typed Fire - meant to say Rach didn't go anywhere. I tracked Rach on Night 6.

Regardless of my track result , just based on her claim alone, the flips, and my dual role - it made it unbelievable to me that she would be a Town Bp.

I will explain: because my 2nd role is also Bulletproof. I am the Town Backup Tracker/Bulletproof. I figured in pregame that these dual roles had a ton of dormant potential. If you go through my ISO, you will see some weird posts like ones where I react to the night kills after the night flips. That's why when Rach claimed and said people were hitting her, which was her theory for the missing extra nks - I was suspicious. It's just strange to have 2 Town Bp when SKs having Bp ability, is a common thing.

I took some time to do extra thought about 4 scum, 1 SK, and 6 PRs (2 of them being Trackers, 2 being Bp). I'm just trying to wrap my mind about if it's a real case or an unrealistic case . I don't think hebi is SK , based on her behavior.

In the event we are still wrong today and I die tonight, well...I leave the rest up to remaining town. You guys have plenty of information to work with and I have faith in you guys.

VOTE: Fire
L-1.

[Performer]

Slandaar, your read on the Ari slot was most bizarre. Also, the fact that you survived for so long as a non-PR also made me suspect of you , in earlier days. Your read on me was on point when you said I was your highest townread for the longest time - which I saw was funny, very flattering, and indeed correct. Unfortunately I can't have that in my sig until the game is over lol .

[Performer]

This combination of events caused me to track you on n5: the pattern of you surviving so long and the fact that KTS and I claimed after the Tracker died , made me think "Wait a second, let's track Slandaar. He can't be a PR, yet he's lived so long in this game. Based on flips and the talk so far, there doesn't look like there's some Doctor in the game. He's been living too long and if my result came through that he's town , I can get a near-confirmed town on our side in case I died or KTS died. "

Your earlier vote on me a few days back before the claim , also made me think you were more likely town. If you were scum, that would've been fairly dangerous for you to do. This was also why I didn't scumread you but I pushed back on Fire when he voted me shortly after your vote, on Day 4 iirc.

I had to have more certainty on you, Slandaar, and I'm really glad I tracked you Night 5, hehe.

[RachMarie]

Slan I missed that math is NOT my best subject

[Performer]

Slan I missed that math is NOT my best subject

It's ok. As long as FM is one of your best subjects, then our town needs your continued support!

[RachMarie]

Well that makes more sense of why so much town power including a backup tracker/bp

having 4 plus 1 in a game this size I mean.

@ Slan

Why are you choosing heb over fire as the sk? Could you give some reasoning here?

[hebichan]

Should I hammer fire? I've wanted this all game but now that it's so close I'm not sure.

[RachMarie]

He has claimed VT, several us (other than Slan) think he is the SK.

If you do not hammer him, I doubt he will get lynched since Slan thinks you are the SK and Fire is not going to hammer himself.

However, if you feel there is a need for more discussion first, that is up to you.

[hebichan]

VOTE: fire
We aren't in lilo and ive wanted the slot lynched forever ago.

[Axl_Rose]

Firebringer, VT, lynched Day 7.

Night starts now.

[Axl_Rose]

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-30 23:59:00)

[Axl_Rose]

Performer was killed night 7 he as a

Town Bulletproof Back-Up Tracker

[Axl_Rose]

VC 7.00

hebichan (0)-

RachMarie (0)-

Slandaar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

hebichan, RachMarie, Slandaar

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-07-16 20:00:00) - Jul 16th 19:00 GMT

[RachMarie]

great just great

It is LYLO so please no votes yet.

[hebichan]

*facepalm* well I don't know. Both of you are stupid suspicious for various reasons.