Micro 868: Star-Crossed [Game Over]

[Not Known 15]

CNN doesn't want to talk about Baezu's "individual" "typo" where he signaled to his partner that they should vote for the NK target. Still SCUMMY!

The other collusion looks TOO obvious.

[MaryJoLisa]

I’m hearing about collusion between Trump and Invisibility and between Invisibility and Baezu. I’d thought I’d take a look at both sets of interactions and try to make a case for either pairing. I also noticed after writing this that NK15 suggested LUV and Baezu, so I'll look at that one too to see what I can glean from there.

Here’s what I think an Invisibility/Trump partnership might look like:

Spoiler:

Post 31 Invisibility votes for his partner, Donald Trump. That’s just distancing. According to Invisibility, RP alts suck.
Post 34 Trump redirects the team to ejjinami.
Post 39 Trump is clearly trying to take the lead on the team.
Post 46 Invisibility is suddenly okay with RP alts.
Post 53 Invisibility initiates a vote on psyche. Here, I think the team is just disagreeing on where the vote should be.
Post 112 Trump changes his daytime target from ejjinami to not known and in his vote, he’s acknowledging that ejjinami is a good vote. I think the message here is that Trump will push the NK15 wagon, and Invisibility should push the ejjinami wagon.
Post 120 Invisibility takes the time to defend against the possibility of having crumbed an NK target.
Post 132 Invisibility follows Trump and votes for ejjinami.
Post 134 Trump reaffirms that psyche is an acceptable target, but does not move his vote to psyche. I think this is the point where it’s decided that psyche should be the NK target.
Post 138 and post 141 I asked Invisibility some questions about why he suddenly switched his vote to ejjinami. Invisibility responds that he isn’t scum reading ejjinami, he’s only “not town reading” her. I suspect without a mafia PT to discuss in detail, he just hadn’t fully fleshed out a good cause for switching his vote.

***In hindsight, I can see that Invisibility’s ejjinami vote was about splitting up the wagons to see which one would bear fruit. Trump took NK and Invis took Ejjinami.

Post 151 Baezu votes Psyche which could be seen as being handy for scum.
Post 156 Invisibility asks, “Why psyche?” Baezu does not respond. Trump responds.
Post 158 Trump says psyche is a useless vote. I’m suggesting that Trump and Invisibility have already selected psyche for NK and they’re aiming for a different player in the day time.
Post 190 Psych places a vote on baezu. How convenient for scum.

***In Mafia101, we learned that vanity wagons are the best place to find scum. Except in this case, the vanity wagon was being driven by an absentee player who could reasonably have not checked in on the game. Baezu’s vanity wagon could be seen as a scapegoat to pin psyche’s NK on.

***The wagon leans a little toward Invisibility and then it moves over to Porkens.

Post 223 and post 224 Trump votes Porkens and then immediately switches to a vanity wagon on Not Known.

*** I don’t fully understand what is being signaled here, but this looks like some kind of signaling.

Post 226 Invisibility tells Trump to switch his vote to Porkens; the NK15 vote will not go through.
Post 251 Psyche votes Invisibility.
Post 252 Trump votes Invisibility bringing Invisibility to L-2 while Porkens is sitting at L-1.

***I don’t find this to be a particularly risky move because with three hours left on the clock and Trump monitoring the thread, he can unvote Invisibility if he goes to L-1 and place the hammer vote on Porkens. This move enables Trump to display his willingness to vote for Invis and his objection to voting for Townie Porkens.

Post 255, Post 256, Post 257 Invisibility appears to be genuinely disbelieving Trump’s audacity and urges him to take the vote on Porkens.

(Except Trump likes RPing and may very well be enjoying the pressure and staying in character while knowing full and well that he’s holding the cards.)

Post 267 Psyche votes the obvious choice to ensure the lynch goes through and Trump knew full and well that someone would come along to hammer Porkens.

*** I recognize that Trump’s suspicion of Baezu in D2 is very risky if he and Invisibility are scum partners because he’s essentially putting his partner next in the line of fire. But he if he’s scum with Invisibility and he can get a Baezu mislynch today, then they win the game. If he can’t get a Baezu mislynch, bussing his partner wouldn’t be bad for towncred and it’s exactly the kind of thing *Donald Trump* would do.

Now let’s see what an Invisibility/Baezu partnership might look like:

Spoiler:

Post 49 Baezu’s initial vote is for Invisibility (ignoring the typo for Individual). Distancing and acknowledging her partner.
Post 53 Invisibility votes for psyche. This would be RVS, but it looks to me like Invisibility is proposing a target.
Post 151 Baezu claims not to like either wagon and switches her vote to psyche, signaling to Invisibility where she wants the NK target to go.
Post 156 Psyche asks Baezu "why psyche".
Post 159 Invisibility votes Baezu which looks like distancing to me.
Post 190 Psyche scum reads Baezu making him a threat to this scum team if they didn’t think they could shake him through persuasion.
Post 204 and post 205 Invisibility votes Baezu again and six minutes later votes for Porkens. That was clearly not intended as a pressure vote. It was a distancing vote.

If there are errors in the work above, please correct them. I tried to double check everything but mistakes do happen. I'm not ready to place my vote, but I'm leaning toward Invisibility because he's the common denominator. Things seems to be revolving around him.

[Not Known 15]

I’m hearing about collusion between Trump and Invisibility and between Invisibility and Baezu. I’d thought I’d take a look at both sets of interactions and try to make a case for either pairing. I also noticed after writing this that NK15 suggested LUV and Baezu, so I'll look at that one too to see what I can glean from there.

Here’s what I think an Invisibility/Trump partnership might look like:

Spoiler:

Post 31 Invisibility votes for his partner, Donald Trump. That’s just distancing. According to Invisibility, RP alts suck.
Post 34 Trump redirects the team to ejjinami.
Post 39 Trump is clearly trying to take the lead on the team.
Post 46 Invisibility is suddenly okay with RP alts.
Post 53 Invisibility initiates a vote on psyche. Here, I think the team is just disagreeing on where the vote should be.
Post 112 Trump changes his daytime target from ejjinami to not known and in his vote, he’s acknowledging that ejjinami is a good vote. I think the message here is that Trump will push the NK15 wagon, and Invisibility should push the ejjinami wagon.
Post 120 Invisibility takes the time to defend against the possibility of having crumbed an NK target.
Post 132 Invisibility follows Trump and votes for ejjinami.
Post 134 Trump reaffirms that psyche is an acceptable target, but does not move his vote to psyche. I think this is the point where it’s decided that psyche should be the NK target.
Post 138 and post 141 I asked Invisibility some questions about why he suddenly switched his vote to ejjinami. Invisibility responds that he isn’t scum reading ejjinami, he’s only “not town reading” her. I suspect without a mafia PT to discuss in detail, he just hadn’t fully fleshed out a good cause for switching his vote.

***In hindsight, I can see that Invisibility’s ejjinami vote was about splitting up the wagons to see which one would bear fruit. Trump took NK and Invis took Ejjinami.

Post 151 Baezu votes Psyche which could be seen as being handy for scum.
Post 156 Invisibility asks, “Why psyche?” Baezu does not respond. Trump responds.
Post 158 Trump says psyche is a useless vote. I’m suggesting that Trump and Invisibility have already selected psyche for NK and they’re aiming for a different player in the day time.
Post 190 Psych places a vote on baezu. How convenient for scum.

***In Mafia101, we learned that vanity wagons are the best place to find scum. Except in this case, the vanity wagon was being driven by an absentee player who could reasonably have not checked in on the game. Baezu’s vanity wagon could be seen as a scapegoat to pin psyche’s NK on.

***The wagon leans a little toward Invisibility and then it moves over to Porkens.

Post 223 and post 224 Trump votes Porkens and then immediately switches to a vanity wagon on Not Known.

*** I don’t fully understand what is being signaled here, but this looks like some kind of signaling.

Post 226 Invisibility tells Trump to switch his vote to Porkens; the NK15 vote will not go through.
Post 251 Psyche votes Invisibility.
Post 252 Trump votes Invisibility bringing Invisibility to L-2 while Porkens is sitting at L-1.

***I don’t find this to be a particularly risky move because with three hours left on the clock and Trump monitoring the thread, he can unvote Invisibility if he goes to L-1 and place the hammer vote on Porkens. This move enables Trump to display his willingness to vote for Invis and his objection to voting for Townie Porkens.

Post 255, Post 256, Post 257 Invisibility appears to be genuinely disbelieving Trump’s audacity and urges him to take the vote on Porkens.

(Except Trump likes RPing and may very well be enjoying the pressure and staying in character while knowing full and well that he’s holding the cards.)

Post 267 Psyche votes the obvious choice to ensure the lynch goes through and Trump knew full and well that someone would come along to hammer Porkens.

*** I recognize that Trump’s suspicion of Baezu in D2 is very risky if he and Invisibility are scum partners because he’s essentially putting his partner next in the line of fire. But he if he’s scum with Invisibility and he can get a Baezu mislynch today, then they win the game. If he can’t get a Baezu mislynch, bussing his partner wouldn’t be bad for towncred and it’s exactly the kind of thing *Donald Trump* would do.

Now let’s see what an Invisibility/Baezu partnership might look like:

Spoiler:

Post 49 Baezu’s initial vote is for Invisibility (ignoring the typo for Individual). Distancing and acknowledging her partner.
Post 53 Invisibility votes for psyche. This would be RVS, but it looks to me like Invisibility is proposing a target.
Post 151 Baezu claims not to like either wagon and switches her vote to psyche, signaling to Invisibility where she wants the NK target to go.
Post 156 Psyche asks Baezu "why psyche".
Post 159 Invisibility votes Baezu which looks like distancing to me.
Post 190 Psyche scum reads Baezu making him a threat to this scum team if they didn’t think they could shake him through persuasion.
Post 204 and post 205 Invisibility votes Baezu again and six minutes later votes for Porkens. That was clearly not intended as a pressure vote. It was a distancing vote.

If there are errors in the work above, please correct them. I tried to double check everything but mistakes do happen. I'm not ready to place my vote, but I'm leaning toward Invisibility because he's the common denominator. Things seems to be revolving around him.

The problem is the material from LUV - it could be connected to Baezu(but also to Invisibility btw). And in that case, we have a problem.

[Not Known 15]

This are the teams I am considering(not in order of relevance!):

Invisibility - DT
Invisibility - Baezu
Invisibility - LUV
LUV - Baezu

[Not Known 15]

I think Invisibility-DT has counter-evidence:

VOTE: invisibility

That could hammer Porkens. Instead, it sends Invisibility to L-2; and because I voted Invisibility before this risks me voting for Invisibility and suddenly Porkens is L-2 and Invisibility at L-1.

[MaryJoLisa]

Yeah, but I addressed that in my spoiler above. Take a look at posts 253 - 257. I think it could have been a power move for DT and Invisibility's panic looked genuine. He was speaking directly to Trump. He wasn't saying, "you should vote for Porkens because..." He was more or less saying, "What are you doing?? This was not the plan!"

[Not Known 15]

Yeah, but I addressed that in my spoiler above. Take a look at posts 253 - 257. I think it could have been a power move for DT and Invisibility's panic looked genuine. He was speaking directly to Trump. He wasn't saying, "you should vote for Porkens because..." He was more or less saying, "What are you doing?? This was not the plan!"

In your analysis you say that it would still empower Trump to re- vote Porkens and hammer. No.
If anyone on Porkens switches then Porkens cannot be hammered, and almost everyone was on Porkens or Invisibility. The counter-evidence isn't completely convincing, though - after all, it could have been an attempted bus for maximum towncred.

[ChibiBear]

VOTE COUNT 2.02

Baezu

(1): President Donald Trump

Not Voting

(5): Not Known 15, Baezu, Lil Uzi Vert, MaryJoLisa, Invisibility

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-05-29 12:00:00)

[Invisibility]

I’m honestly pretty shocked that scum both voted on the same target...
There has to be a crumb somewhere in the thread

I also didn’t realize were in mylo because this is my first micro game since my restart...

I really don’t like the trump/invis interaction up above, not sure what to make of it yet

1. only conclusion is to be "shocked"
2. obviously there's a crumb
3. wow what a useful sentence
4. no conclusion

So what is the solution to this game trump?

i think that he has made this pretty clear

i think that baezu is scum lol
we can afford lynching me if baezu is lynched first, right?
4/2 becomes 4/1 which becomes 2/1 after a mislynch
we don't automatically lose at least
this is assuming baezu is scum obviously which i think she is

also dont vote baezu yet, we should wait

this is kind of a stupid post but im not really sure how to be useful when the main conversation is finding out who my partner is
its pure coincidence and/or scum framing me??? im not really sure how to defend myself here
could somebody ask me a question?

[Invisibility]

hi guys im in this game

here's a thing
my vote was a joke

[Invisibility]

actually who cares

[Invisibility]

that wasnt me giving up im not scum

[Invisibility]

Invisibility

President Donald Trump

MaryJoLisa

Baezu
Porkens

Psyche

Not Known 15

Trump can live for now since his gimmick amuses me. I heard good things about Mary Jo so she can be reevaluated tomorrow.

uh
so this post is actually kind of sus
especially when LUV kind of confirmed the NK by asking "why psyche?" after i already did

[Baezu]

Still not quite sure what to make of invisibility’s posts, they seem soooo scummy but I’m leaning town on her

Scum team must be Donald/luv

[Invisibility]

IM A GUYYYYy

[Invisibility]

AND STOP PRETENDING THAT WE'RE PARTNERS

[ChibiBear]

Lil Uzi Vert has been prodded.

[President Donald Trump]

Still not quite sure what to make of invisibility’s posts, they seem soooo scummy but I’m leaning town on her

Scum team must be Donald/luv

Everybody knows you are ignoring the evidence that you signaled a NK with your Individual "auto-correct". Scummy!

[Invisibility]

what is your point with the individual thing
we would know who we were if we were partners wouldn’t we?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’ll get to this soon.

[Baezu]

what is your point with the individual thing
we would know who we were if we were partners wouldn’t we?

Yes trump please explain

[Invisibility]

STOP HOLY CRAP

[President Donald Trump]

Mechanics:

-The Goons declare the night kill target

individually

; the kill only goes through if

all

living Goons declare the same target.
--

snip

--
Factional kill: During the Night phase, you may

individually

PM the name of a player in the game to the moderator.

VOTE: individual

VOTE: individual

I meant VOTE: invisibility

Wtf autocorrect

Mod's post 1 says scum vote "individually" for the NK and Scum role PM in post 1 says scum vote "individually" for the NK. Scummy Baezu votes "individual." This is a coincidence? Not a chance! Baezu's partner is either invisibility or he was signalling to his partner that he wanted to kill invisibility, but was later talked out of it. Now I think maybe more likely the second one.

[MaryJoLisa]

This are the teams I am considering(not in order of relevance!):

Invisibility - DT
Invisibility - Baezu
Invisibility - LUV
LUV - Baezu

I looked at Invisibility/LUV, but I found absolutely nothing there. I didn't find much with LUV/Baezu either, so I'm going to need you to walk me through what you saw that made you suspicious.

I did look at Trump and LUV and I can see some possible collusion between these two. As before, if you see something in this that looks wrong, please let me know.

Spoiler:

Post 24 This one is suspect from ejjinami. The Trump defense was noted later in day 1. Even if ejjinami misunderstood the individual 1 post, the cover she provides for Trump is quite apparent.

Post 34 Trump places a vote on ejjinami which could be taken as distancing following the defensive move.

Post 35 No one really paid attention to this post but Trump has just voted for ejjinami in the previous post and now he’s saying that he’s okay with bussing his partner *or* he’s saying that he’s going to to appear to be bussing her, but that’s just a maneuver and she should disregard what it appears to be. Looks to me like he’s building distance between the two of them.

Post 37 Trump is telling ejjinami that he wants her to take his lead.

Post 65 and post 66 ejjinami realizes that she built a connection between she and Trump and now she’s back tracking to fix the damage.

Post 109 I come along and I’m like, derp, derp, derp, ejjinami sounds town.

Post 111 and post 112 Trump compliments my read on ejjinami and switches his vote to Not Known. It was me that established justification for him to switch his vote.

Post 134 Trump lays down the Psyche crumb.

Post 166 Lil Uzi Vert comes in with a friendly “Hey guys”

Post 194 LUV acknowledges a Psyche NK ??

Post 201 Trump’s gimmick amuses LUV, so Trump can live for now.

I don’t see collusion between LUV and Trump in the D1 final lynch vote, but if you consider the possibility that Trump didn’t particularly care whether Porkens or Invisibility was lynched, then it makes sense for him to put his vote on Invisibility so he and his partner, LUV, were on separate wagons but still pushed a lynch through.

[President Donald Trump]

Baezu was the only person who voted psyche after Invisibility's "vote nk" post. Bad!

vote nk

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche