Mini 1702 - Time Travel Mafia - game over

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, no need to rush into voting. We could very well be in lynch or lose, and we have time to discuss things first.

guille, can you explain why you think not_mafia is scum? Just from the dom wagon?

[guille2015]

Yeah, no need to rush into voting. We could very well be in lynch or lose, and we have time to discuss things first.

guille, can you explain why you think not_mafia is scum? Just from the dom wagon?

I find it very likely that there is at least one scum in the that wagon. For two reasons: It was a great wagon for scum to be in, and it wasn't as easy to lynch him after the initial burst of votes, so, scum would likely try to push it harder.

In that wagon, I suspect NM and Yos, and Yos had the most to contribute to it, aka had the best argument to be in it.

Although, I am wary of why scum picked to kill from the wagon than from outside. But I'll leave that discussion for later, after we discuss last night's actions.

[Not_Mafia]

I've already claimed

[Yosarian2]

I find it very likely that there is at least one scum in the that wagon. For two reasons: It was a great wagon for scum to be in, and it wasn't as easy to lynch him after the initial burst of votes, so, scum would likely try to push it harder.

Not necessarily. There was really only one wagon yesterday, except for a couple of votes on Zakk who was also town, and we were heading for deadline. Scum could have just lurked, knowing that town was almost certanly going to be lynched without them having to do anything.

Not_mafia is a reasonable suspect, though. I thought that page 1 "lynch -1" vote he made for no reason was pretty anti-town, and he hasn't done much since then to make me think he's town.

[farside22]

There is no votes to be found.
The kingdom of farside hits the snooze button.

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, not mafia is the only person on both lynches too?

Guille is still my top town-read. Can you clarify this: 'In that wagon, I suspect NM and Yos, and Yos had the most to contribute to it, aka had the best argument to be in it.'

@Yos, there were also votes on kling (and hip, sometimes).

[Yosarian2]

Ugh, not mafia is the only person on both lynches too?

Guille is still my top town-read. Can you clarify this: 'In that wagon, I suspect NM and Yos, and Yos had the most to contribute to it, aka had the best argument to be in it.'

@Yos, there were also votes on kling (and hip, sometimes).

Yeah, but looking back through the votecounts, it looks like there were never more then 2 votes on anyone, right? There really weren't any other big bandwagons yesterday other then Dom.

[Jazzmyn]

So we have a Vig or SK in the game. I'm thinking it is more likely to be a Vig than a SK because of the unique nature of the game mechanics (that is, roles being reset every day). It seems to me that a SK role would not really be one that could be passed around to multiple players, so that would mean that it would be an exception to the role reset mechanism, which is kind of the main mechanism of the game. That said, I don't really know much about structuring games so perhaps it wouldn't be all that strange to make that kind of exception, but gut says Vig, not SK.

In any event, I'm going to have to go ISO-diving (and possibly meta-diving as well since I haven't played with most of the players before) to see what I can see in light of these flips.

Regards,
Jazz

[Klingoncelt]

If FA_Q2 wasn't Scum, then we're at LyLo.

And you came to this conclusion because you know how many scum there are?

How many players started the game? What's the Town/Scum ratio?

It doesn't take an abacus to figure out that there's 3 Scum.

3 mafia is likely, but like I said, 2 mafia/ 1 SK is also possible.

Scum is Scum. Mafia, Mafia teams, 3 Evil 3rd Parties, it doesn't matter how they're configured, all 3 need to die.

[Klingoncelt]

So quick to vote in lylo?

Are we in Lylo?

Yes.

[Klingoncelt]

I was the Vig last night and I shot Hiplop. My ISO will show that I suspected him.

So, why would the Scum kill Zakk? I played a few games with him, so I know he's not the best scumhunter on the site, and not everyone takes him seriously because he's fairly new. I'm going to ISO him and see if he leaked any sort of PR info.

[Klingoncelt]

Zakk suspected and/or voted for Bulbazoor, Dom, IceGuy, Bellaphant, Yosarian2/(Persivul)/(Maruchan).

Bulb and Dom are dead, leaving IceGuy, Bellaphant, and Yosarian2.

IceGuy and Yosarian2 voted for Dom, Bella was voting for me.

[IceGuy]

I was the Vig last night and I shot Hiplop.

Why didn't you shoot me?

[guille2015]

Let's get this straight first.

Mod:

Hypothetically speaking: can scum receive a vig power and if they do, can they use it alongside with their factional kill (aka the scum partner uses the factional kill)?

[guille2015]

Not necessarily. There was really only one wagon yesterday, except for a couple of votes on Zakk who was also town, and we were heading for deadline. Scum could have just lurked, knowing that town was almost certanly going to be lynched without them having to do anything.

That is true, and it might explain why they shot into the Dom Wagon pool rather than outside.

[guille2015]

Guille is still my top town-read. Can you clarify this: 'In that wagon, I suspect NM and Yos, and Yos had the most to contribute to it, aka had the best argument to be in it.'

There is only three available suspects and I ruled out IG as a potential scum. That leaves NM and Yos. Out of those two, Yos had placed a legitimate reason for voting:

My vote is still on Dom, from the guy I replaced, and I think I'm going to leave it there for now. His threat to hammer, his demand for a roleclaim, and then him trying to claim it was a "joke" the next day is probably the scummiest thing I've yet seen.

as opposed to:

Yes lynch me for mod error

VOTE: TheDominator

[IceGuy]

Current claims:

Klingoncelt - vig (targeted hiplop) (lol)
Yosarian2 -

MISSING

Jazzmyn -

MISSING

Not_Mafia - flip non-flipped players (targeted FA_Q2, received town result)
IceGuy -

MISSING

Bellaphant -

MISSING

guille2015 -

MISSING

Please claim: Jazzmyn -> Bellaphant -> Yosarian2 -> guille2015 -> IceGuy

So we have a Vig or SK in the game. I'm thinking it is more likely to be a Vig than a SK because of the unique nature of the game mechanics (that is, roles being reset every day). It seems to me that a SK role would not really be one that could be passed around to multiple players, so that would mean that it would be an exception to the role reset mechanism, which is kind of the main mechanism of the game. That said, I don't really know much about structuring games so perhaps it wouldn't be all that strange to make that kind of exception, but gut says Vig, not SK.

Remember this? Where Klingoncelt made a post that only really made sense when her role didn't rotate?

Also, I just noticed something:

In post 102, she backpedals by saying she thinks roles rotate.
In post 201, I post all claims.
In post 224, she calls me scum. If she would actually be a vig, she would've noticed by post 201 that roles can't rotate because there was no vig N1. At that point, her entire justification for voting me becomes moot. She keeps calling me scum, though.

You know what, I've seen enough. I know this might be LyLo, but I'm that confident.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Bellaphant]

@guille, thanks! I thought you were trying to say the opposite (as in yos' vote was motivated by outside 'arguments' to be on it) which, out of the two, I disagreed with. Makes sense now

I'm happy to claim next if peeps want?

Dunno how I feel about that vote. My gut is Ok with it,my lizard brain is alarmed.

[farside22]

Let's get this straight first.

Mod:

Hypothetically speaking: can scum receive a vig power and if they do, can they use it alongside with their factional kill (aka the scum partner uses the factional kill)?

Hypocrital yes scum could get that type of power and IT depends on the game

[guille2015]

Let's get this straight first.

Mod:

Hypothetically speaking: can scum receive a vig power and if they do, can they use it alongside with their factional kill (aka the scum partner uses the factional kill)?

Hypocrital yes scum could get that type of power and IT depends on the game

So, it it is unknown for this game whether a scum team can perform two kills.

[farside22]

Let's get this straight first.

Mod:

Hypothetically speaking: can scum receive a vig power and if they do, can they use it alongside with their factional kill (aka the scum partner uses the factional kill)?

Hypocrital yes scum could get that type of power and IT depends on the game

So, it it is unknown for this game whether a scum team can perform two kills.

Yup

[Klingoncelt]

I was the Vig last night and I shot Hiplop.

Why didn't you shoot me?

It was a coin flip.

Obviously I should have shot you.

[Klingoncelt]

Current claims:

Klingoncelt - vig (targeted hiplop) (lol)
Yosarian2 -

MISSING

Jazzmyn -

MISSING

Not_Mafia - flip non-flipped players (targeted FA_Q2, received town result)
IceGuy -

MISSING

Bellaphant -

MISSING

guille2015 -

MISSING

Please claim: Jazzmyn -> Bellaphant -> Yosarian2 -> guille2015 -> IceGuy

So we have a Vig or SK in the game. I'm thinking it is more likely to be a Vig than a SK because of the unique nature of the game mechanics (that is, roles being reset every day). It seems to me that a SK role would not really be one that could be passed around to multiple players, so that would mean that it would be an exception to the role reset mechanism, which is kind of the main mechanism of the game. That said, I don't really know much about structuring games so perhaps it wouldn't be all that strange to make that kind of exception, but gut says Vig, not SK.

Remember this? Where Klingoncelt made a post that only really made sense when her role didn't rotate?

Also, I just noticed something:

In post 102, she backpedals by saying she thinks roles rotate.
In post 201, I post all claims.
In post 224, she calls me scum. If she would actually be a vig, she would've noticed by post 201 that roles can't rotate because there was no vig N1. At that point, her entire justification for voting me becomes moot. She keeps calling me scum, though.

You know what, I've seen enough. I know this might be LyLo, but I'm that confident.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Yep, you're Scum alright.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, just posting first of all to say that I'm here and I'm not quickvoting

[Yosarian2]

Ok, so I guess either iceguy or Klingoncelt has to be scum now, or else scum probably would have quicklynched him by now, right? That vote has been sitting there for 24 hours now, and no quicklynch.