Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[ToastyToast]

I can't do anything about it other than speculate. Do what you will, I've defended myself in regards to the night actions as best as I can. When I flip everyone will call SCHENANIGANS and I'm sure shit will go down.

[Magister Ludi]

YOU CLAIMED:

a. Your roleblocked nikanor, which would rule him out of being CR, and are still voting him
b. You roleblocked me, and then got tracked nowhere.

Toasty. No.

[ToastyToast]

yep. that's exactly what i'm doing.

[zMuffinMan]

Toast,

I think you are wrong about Nikanor. You are the one that suggested going into a 1-on-1 with Nikanor, not him. That was completely your overreaction to the situation. You're claiming he's doing scummy-as-fuck shit, he's not. He's just being useless. It's not a good thing, but it doesn't mean he's scum. You've provided no reasonable explanation for how the recruits occurred on top of your jailing of Nikanor N1.

Can you unvote to prevent someone coming in and hammering? Pretty please, with sugar on top.

What do you think of Oversoul claiming you went nowhere last night?

[ToastyToast]

Unvote:Nikanor

I already said like 1,000000 times that I think Oversoul is a recruit. thats the only explanation I have. Obviously, some shit went down last night, but I don't have some godlike insight as to why he got a result saying I didn't go anywhere. Him as a recruit makes the most sense

[zMuffinMan]

OK. So then Nikanor as CR should make even less sense to you.

[zMuffinMan]

Do we want to finish mass claims or is that fruitless at this point? Personally, I'm not considering lynching either of the other white lanterns right now, so mass claiming doesn't benefit me, except for perhaps making sense of a couple of things.

At this point, the only person I'm even considering a possible CR outside of Ludi is Blackberry. But apparently I'm being paranoid about this because this setup supposedly requires a mafia cop (who,

coincidentally

, has no verifiable results to speak of). But, meh, just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean he ain't out ta get me.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
cote toasty

I delayed nikanor.
He can't CR I think.

[Blackberry]

Toasty is lying scum and did not jailkeep Nikanor night 1


This does not mean Nokanor isn't CR. Toasty is just lying scum. Obviously toasty isn't CR if OS confirmed him N2 but is condemning him N3

Answer: toasty scum

Which means nikanor wasn't blocked N1. Which means there's NO reason he can't be CR

Get your votes on him.

[Blackberry]

unvote
cote toasty

I delayed nikanor.
He can't CR I think.

There's NO way Toasty can be CR so WTF ?!?!?!

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah, there's no reason he can't be CR. That doesn't mean he is CR.

Tell me why you think Nikanor is CR again.

Something to do with him lurking and claiming conditional bulletproof, right? What are you going to do when he flips WL? Who's CR then, Blackberry?

[Nikanor]

Vote: ToastyToast.

Blackberry, it's impossible for me to be CR unless Toasty is my buddy. If I'm CR, my only buddy on d2 would have been nopoint.
Unless you want to subscribe to the theory that Toasty is a backup cult recruiter, in which case you should be voting for him instead of me.

[Blackberry]

Once again. Nikanor is voting someone who can't be Cult Recruiter

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

I already said Toasty isn't a roleblOcker and thus you werent blocked at all the first two nights

Nikanor isn't even reading the thread.

WTF guys. Do not reward this type of behavior. You're letting cult just coast on by.

[ToastyToast]

This is so confusing. SO I jailkept OS, but lied about Nikanor and Ludi?

If a cult recruit, I could not have been recruited until N3.

If scum, lying to protect a CR AND declaring a 1 v 1 with them, calling them a CR....I'm sorry if you guys don't see the holes in this...

[Kast]

Toast: BB's theory is definitely some holy shit.

Neither Toasty NOR Nik can be CR. Ludi is CR. Let's proceed with CR lynch now, please.

[Magister Ludi]

I think Kast is mafia. Toasty for CR?

[Nikanor]

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

Toasty is the CR. Oversoul is a backup CR/n0 recruit.

[Blackberry]

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

Toasty is the CR. Oversoul is a backup CR/n0 recruit.

I accused OS of being toastys recruit day 3. Did you see how he reacted? He even threatened to quit another game with me because he was mad I wouldn't listen to him and thoUght I was an idiot. He was being sincere with that.

Kast - what do you think of Nikanors inability to read this thread when he previously said it was his fav game?

Nikanor - can you replace out if all you're goIng to do is lurk and not pay attention to anything?

[ToastyToast]

Oh look the CR's are trying to call me a CR.

[Blackberry]

Has anyone else been wondering why no one else was vanillaized? Or is that just me? O_o

A one (errr, 3) - shot thing? O.o

[tanstalas]

Probably one shot ability that was enhanced by a motivator

[Kast]

@Vanillizer-
Vezok didn't claim his target did he?

Speculation: If TT is mafia, then it's he may have been lying about JKing OS on N2. In that case, OS becomes a strong bet for Vanillizer (either mafia or cult). N2 having 3 vanillas would mean Kilowog likely doubled OS on N2 while one of the vanillas was a delayed action from N1. No action last night could be one of several possibilities (OS may have done the mafia kill instead of his ability, Vezok may have delayed OS again, CR might have been vanillized and doesn't want to claim).

Some other possibilities:
-Vanillize ability might be limited shot similar to Toog's Janitor
-Target of the vanillize might be immune (Hider or SK with Immunity)
-Another possibility is Ludi is the Vanillizer (OS CR with Ludi Cult Vanililzer?), and the RB on Ludi stopped him from acting last night.

There's really too many unknowns and too many possibilities.

Unofficial VC:
Nik (4) - Oversoul, Blackberry, Andrius, hiplop
TT (3) - Magister Ludi, vezokpiraka, Nikanor
Ludi (1) - Kast

Not Voting (3) - tanstalas, zMuffinMan, ToastyToast

Review of thoughts on players:

Summary:
Ludi is still most likely CR with OS as potential buddy.
One of Andy/TT is probably mafia. If Andy is mafia, then Ludi

might

be his scum-buddy instead of CR, which leaves Vezok/OS as potential CRs
Nikanor is an idiot, but he's not likely CR. The way TT and Hiplop tried to jump on and turbolynch him was excessively scummy.

Some things we know:
N1- NPIAU was recruited
N2- IHSIB/Kdub was recruited

Andy
Cult Potential:
-N1 interactions with Tans strongly imply he cannot be CR
+Claimed active PR with no claimed protection makes him a potential N3 recruit
Other Thoughts:
-Game play has been much more passive and "follow the crowd" on the whole than previous BNMafia.
-Some interactions are suspect:
--Particularly the lynch of Mr.S & avoidance of lynching Ludi (potential link with Ludi; if Andy is mafia, Ludi might be a buddy)
-Overabundance of blocking/interference roles (Muffin, Vezok, TT) imply potential scum blocker, although if TT is mafia JK/blocker, then Andy is cleared town.
Probable Role:
Either town or mafia RB (depending on which TT is)

BB
Cult Potential:
-Claimed role and lack of other cop claims makes him unlikely to be CR (game balance/setup unlikely)
+Claimed active PR with no claimed protection makes him a potential N3 recruit
-High chance of mafia NKing him makes him less likely to be recruited
Other Thoughts:
Game play is erratic. He has some decent thoughts ideas, but other stuff that's way out there. Overall he's playing in what seems to be an earnest manner.
Probable Role:
Town Mafia-Cop

Hip
Cult Potential:
-Early D1 WL CC on Vezok makes him unlikely to be CR
-WL mod-PM reinforces this
-Unrecruitable claim makes him extremely unlikely for the N3 Recruit
Other Thoughts:
Generally low activity and when he is posting a lot of times it seems like he's not being very careful. Generally getting a lazy town read.
Probable Role:
Probable town PR of some sort, potentially a passive PR since I'd have expected him to soft claim or breadcrumb if he had a night power.

Kast
Cult Potential:
-N1 confirmed track result strongly implies he cannot be CR
-N2 VT makes recruitment unlikely
Other Thoughts:
Obv town.

Probable

Role:
Town Tracker, now VT

ML
Cult Potential:
+No N1 or N2 interactions that prevent him from being cult
+Implausible role claim under pressure along with implausible claimed

CHANGE

to his claim make him VERY unlikely to be town.
Other Thoughts:
-Lurked through D1 and D2 then only became active in D3 when he was going to be lynched.
-Strange interaction with Kdub's attempted bus when his lynch seemed inevitable, then sudden retraction after he flipped out at Kdub
--Even more suspect, Kdub continued to call him probable CR and Kdub's choice for lynch, but Kdub refused to place the actual hammer and instead let his non-preferred target be lynched instead
-Generally hasn't been active in trying to determine player alignments or help town find CR or scum; rather he just attacks the claimed WLs and/or OMGUS attacks the people who pressure him
-Opposition to mass claim is

EXTREMELY CONTRARY

to Tar's normal stance as town (in which he generally pushes for early mass claiming with the expectation that he can figure out who is lying or not),

this is mitigated since Tar dropped out

Probable Role:
Cult Recruiter or Backup Cult Recruiter

Muff
Cult Potential:
-WL Mod PM makes him unlikely to be CR
=Implication that WLs are unrecruitable makes it less likely that he was recruited; however, the WLs revealing that not all of them are unrecruitable leaves him as a potential N3 recruit
Other Thoughts:
-Been pretty reasonable on the whole and seems interested in solving the game and figuring things out. Don't agree with everything he's posted, but on the whole it gives a very pro-town feel.
--The push for stalling the game until a mass claim is finished is the main point where I'm hesitant about
Probable Role:
Very likely town JoAT as claimed

Nik
Cult Potential:
-First player to mention WL Mod PM makes him very unlikely to be CR
=Implication that WLs are unrecruitable makes it less likely that he was recruited; however, the WLs revealing that not all of them are unrecruitable leaves him as a potential N3 recruit
Other Thoughts:
-Idiotic but lucky D1 gamble resulted in lynching Toog.

Potential D1 scum bus gambit for town cred

-After that he failed a gamble on TT (which makes the Toog D1 scum bus gambit less likely and more likely Nik's just an idiot) has pretty much disappeared
-Lurky post to avoid prod/replace indicates he's something of an ass but isn't really playstyle indicative (asking to be lynched doesn't indicate affiliation)
Probable Role:
Town VI, probably has a 1xAbility similar to the flipped WLs, though potentially passive ability.

OS
Cult Potential:
+Directly implicated as Black Lantern by conf. town WLC.
+Claimed Watch/Track role doesn't directly conflict but overlaps with my Tracker and Friend's Watcher
-N1 Delay by Vezok makes him unlikely to be NPIAU's recruiter and thus unlikely to be CR
-N2 JK by TT makes him unlikely to be Kdub's recruiter and thus unlikely to be CR
Other Thoughts:
-Anger and frustration with BB seemed genuine and plausible. He was likely telling the truth OR a partial truth.
-Sudden jump to Mr.S to protect Ludi is suspect
-General buddying with all obv-town players (except BB) feels like scum (of some sort) buddying to town
-Track result on TT is odd.

Speculation: OS or Ludi failed to recruit TT last night and from that are guessing that he is lying scum (Unrecruitable DSK/Mafia/3rd Party)

-Claim of targeting CJ N1 is/was worded oddly, and may be an attempt at protecting a cult buddy
Probable Role:
He's probably Backup CR or potentially even co-CR with Ludi

Tans
Cult Potential:
-N1 Stole Power from Andy Strongly Implies he is not CR
-N2 VT makes recruitment unlikely
Other Thoughts:
-N1 and interactions with Andy on D2 mark him as probable town.
-Knowing about the VT PM makes him plausibly either the one who is stealing powers OR a genuine victim.
-Recent game play has been less involved and more under the radar. Potentially indicates recruitment (more likely if Cult thinks he is mafia responsible for vanilla-izing)
Probable Role:
Ability Thief probably started as town

TT
Cult Potential:
-N1 JK on Nik and D2 CC of Nik, especially given Nik's unclaimed but trusted-by-town status makes him unlikely to be CR
+Claimed JK ability makes him a strong candidate for N3 recruit
Other Thoughts:
-OS's claimed track result plus Vezok's claimed non-targetting of TT means someone is lying. If OS is town, then it's very likely TT is the mafia blocker
-Aside from the TT/OS thing, TT has been acting fairly pro-town and been fairly active. I was leaning prolly 70-30 Andy mafia blocker and TT town blocker. It's possible OS is just flat out lying right now to secure a mislynch, but that seems odd since a TT lynch and townflip would very likely result in OS getting lynched second.
Probable Role:
Either town or mafia Blocker (depending whether Andy is town or mafia)

Vezok
Cult Potential:
-N1 Delay on OS weakly implies he might not be CR.
-VI status and general lynch-prone playstyle would arguably make Vezok a poor recruit target (I can't imagine any CR ever wanting to recruit Vezok)
Other Thoughts:
-He's been generally useless and confused about what's going on, but that's normal for Vezok
-Potential mafia blocker/delayer; if so, he might be lying about his Delay targets (and about his ability in general).
-BB's Town result on Vezok makes it unlikely that he is mafia.
Probable Role:
Town delayer is plausible; though if we did start with a 2 man cult, then there is a possibility Andy/TT are the town and mafia blockers with Vezok as the Cult Blocker.

[Oversoul]

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

Toasty is the CR. Oversoul is a backup CR/n0 recruit.

Where are you guys coming up with this shit? Seriously Nikanor. If you are going to try and muddy the waters at least make a believeable damn claim. This is the second time I have seen someone (pedit now third) claim that role. There has been no indication that the cult started with two people and the fact that you and (I forgot who at this point, its been a long game ) think so implies that you have knowledge that you are not sharing with us.

Toasty cannot be the CR because I did not receive my result N2 and I was not recruited. I have verifiable PROOF that he can't be the CR and the fact that you are going for the only wagon other than you and your cult buddy Ludi basically confirms that you are not paying attention or trying to cult hunt. Nikanor is the CR. I don't even care about the WL thing anymore as his play today has been HORRIBLE. He has continued to post elsewhere on the site (with more activity might I add) and yet he neglects this game at probably the most crucial moment. Here is what

I

think happened.

Nikanor has claimed bulletproof. The cult leader last game was also bulletproof. We have a bulletproof townie flip already which does not make sense especially with the low amount of killing roles in this game. Nikanor has been playing from a White Lantern pedestal for so long that he has gotten sloppy. He thinks he can hide behind the pseudo modconfirmed aspect of the WL, but in reality you actually need to play in order to remain town. I believed the modconfirmed masonry thing but Blackberry's paranoia has made me think otherwise about the claim. Nikanor and Hiplop haven't claimed anything to make me think otherwise. At this point Ludi and Nikanor are just stalling. He is content with lurking in the shadows and trying to draw the least amount of attention to him. When pressured like he is now, he barely contributes anything at all and is basically crumbling under the weight of our suspicion. I think that Nikanor recruited Ludi last night and that is why Ludi's action did not go through. Andrius is probably scum roleblocker looking for a safeclaim on targetting Ludi "by accident" when in reality he did not want the scum's night action to fail and thus he targetted Toasty. Therefore I propose we lynch in this order.

Nikanor (if he doesn't flip CR you can lynch me instead) > Ludi > Andrius

pedit:

Kast, what do you mean buddying with the town? The only people I have "buddied" with are Tans, Toasty, and Nikanor? Tans I have a strong town read on, Toasty I can confirm his action, and Nikanor because he nailed scum d1 and was a white lantern. I don't think Nikanor is likely town anymore because of his recent actions, but in the beginning his day 1 play was convincing.

And why would I claim a tracking result on Ludi if he was my CR? I'm not going into the wifom but that seems too dangerous should a roleblocker (which there are plenty in this game) block Ludi. Regardless I don't think Ludi is lieing about his role, I think he is lieing about his claim today because he was recruited by Nikanor.

And I can't be the vanillalizer as that happened when I was roleblocked. It would make no sense that Peregrine would motivate me either because I was on a list of people to be roleblocked. If anything Peregrine would go for the at that point in time most likely town White Lanterns and motivate one of them.

Also, I lynched Subliminal because of his insubordination and my reluctance to lynch a claimed doctor.

And why is my claim to track CJ weird?

Either way, I want Nikanor dead and am willing to place my own lynch in the line of succession on the 95% chance that I am wrong and he does not flip CR.

[Blackberry]

People need to see the clear picture:

Look for scum based on play, not based on roles and theories of what happened at night or who is CR because they were near last to claimincg (Why yall lynched Mera and why yall wanna lynched Ludi)

I was correct about Mr. S, but no one listened. His gameplay was 'CTP' (Crazy Town Personality).

I was correct about Mera, but no one listened. Once again, similar to CTP.

I am CTP (obviously).

Ludi is acting CTP as well, also likely-town.

OS is also CTP (the whole rageful thing) and is likely town, or at the very least, NON-Cult related.

[I had a dream last night that vezok was scum, lol]

...

Nikanor's play: LALALALA, DO NOTHING, LALALALA, KILL PEOPLE.

Tanstalas' play: LALALALA, DO NOTHING, LALALALA, KILL PEOPLE.

* I still find it impossible for 3 people to be vanillied. I still think one of them must be lying and/or knew what their partner was doing so faked vanilliaed as well.

[ToastyToast]

^^Above post made me lol. sounds like something I would say.

OS: The thing is SOMEONE is lying about this whole mermermernoactionmer schenanigans, and it makes sense for you to be it.

I actually agree with your lynch order tho, so..