Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[armlx]

Fonz: Mainly set up related such that everyone is/will be cleared but you and a couple others in my eyes.

Again, I will cite what I said to stark: What is there in the plan I have stated that could go wrong?

[the silent speaker]

Simenon: I disagree. The only reason for Fonz to be so desperate not to be vigged is that he is scum and knows what vigging will cost his side. Contrast armlx's equanimity to the prospect of being lynched tomorrow on policy if SSF should wake up dead; this is because armlx knows that his lynch will aid the town's best chance of winning. The same applies to mneme's consent to his own lynch today.

Also, there are plenty of other reasons why Fonz must die.

[Simenon]

Simenon: I disagree.

It's somewhat of a meta thing.

Also, I see his reaction as less desperate than angry and frustrated.

[the silent speaker]

But without a counter-theory, which he has not and cannot have, he has no reason to be angry. His claim brings us no reason to believe it is true and his play gives us no reason to think he is town.

[The Fonz]

Simenon: I disagree. The only reason for Fonz to be so desperate not to be vigged is that he is scum and knows what vigging will cost his side.

Yes, because if I'm telling the truth, me being vigged won't cost my side at all...

Contrast armlx's equanimity to the prospect of being lynched tomorrow on policy if SSF should wake up dead; this is because armlx knows that his lynch will aid the town's best chance of winning. The same applies to mneme's consent to his own lynch today.

You're quite right there's a contrast: you're quite wrong in which way it goes. In what way is it ever 'the town's best chance of winning' to kill a town player, barring 2-1-1? Town players should fight to the last breath.

Also, there are plenty of other reasons why Fonz must die.

Name 'em, smartass.

But without a counter-theory, which he has not and cannot have, he has no reason to be angry. His claim brings us no reason to believe it is true and his play gives us no reason to think he is town.

What do you mean, which I cannot have? There's plenty of reason to think someone other than me is the scum.

And I'd say that objectively, rejecting your offer was a clear town tell.

[armlx]

Again, I will cite what I said to stark: What is there in the plan I have stated that could go wrong?

Fonz, please respond to this. I'm pretty sure you can't which invalidates your whole post.

[The Fonz]

Your plan involves vigging me. Therefore, it's 'going wrong' from the outset. What use is a plan to stop scum doing this and that when it involves killing off a powerful town role anyway?

[armlx]

Your plan involves vigging me. Therefore, it's 'going wrong' from the outset. What use is a plan to stop scum doing this and that when it involves killing off a powerful town role anyway?

A power role dying != town losing. How could my plan lead to a town loss?

[The Fonz]

How could any plan lead to a town loss in a single night?

[armlx]

How could any plan lead to a town loss in a single night?

Ok, then how does my plan NOT lead to a town win?

[the silent speaker]

There's plenty of reason to think someone other than me is the scum.

Name two. Give reasons.

[The Fonz]

How could any plan lead to a town loss in a single night?

Ok, then how does my plan NOT lead to a town win?

Your plan involves directing the death of a town player, ie doing the scum's job for them. Therefore, it obviously makes a town win LESS likely, doesn't it?

[armlx]

Your plan involves directing the death of a town player, ie doing the scum's job for them. Therefore, it obviously makes a town win LESS likely, doesn't it?

It creates a way to confirm every players role in some way. How does that not lead to a town win.

If there was any doubt before that Fonz should be vigged, this clears it up.

[The Fonz]

Except that it won't work, because almost certainly at least one of the claimed protective roles is lying.

[armlx]

Except that it won't work, because almost certainly at least one of the claimed protective roles is lying.

Explain how that matters, as the only one protecting someone relevant is the confirmed one.

[the silent speaker]

Fonz's reply to my challenge is about what I figured: nothing. I see no reason to prolong the day.

[the silent speaker]

P.S. Fonz, we have three docs, count 'em, one two three. We have armlx, we have Kison, we have twomz. Plus sir Tornado is a role copier who has used it for some freelance medical.

Twomz was revealed to be a real doc by the mod on death.

Kison was revealed to be innocent by cop investigation.

Sir Tornado has been seen to copy.

Armlx will be either confirmed tomorrow or lynched tomorrow, as per his own plan.

Who, exactly, is lying here?

[Twomz]

More Mneme testing plz.

[mneme]

tss: if you're actually a death cult leader, we're in potential trouble, as that means that Nocmen & twonz are actually mafia now, or working on a third side. But beyond that, yeah, the plan's pretty good.

I'd also like to move the game along...vote for me, I'll raze taxes?

[The Fonz]

Gimme the evening to get my thoughts down. That's all i ask.

[armlx]

Will vote for mneme once everyone else decides its time to go to night and has stated they will follow the plan.

[Twomz]

Gimme the evening to get my thoughts down. That's all i ask.

Acceptable imo.

There just isn't that much of a reason to drag this day on, being as we're working on the same info as yesterday, just with confirmation that Zoneace wasn't mafia.

[SSF352]

Will vote for mneme once everyone else decides its time to go to night and has stated they will follow the plan.

Still considering the whole plan business, but am holding off a vote on mneme until Fonz gets a chance to post his thoughts.

[armlx]

There just isn't that much of a reason to drag this day on, being as we're working on the same info as yesterday, just with confirmation that Zoneace wasn't mafia.

The reason to drag it out is to simply assure that everything goes according to plan tonight.

[Kison]

Has anything changed from the plan, then? I'd not mind waiting for The Fonz, but beyond that, not really seeing what we're accomplishing with everything on the table as it is.