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[RadiantCowbells]

I mean. you know the kind of experience a game with me is going to present. I would not be offended or upset if you decided that it isn't for you and chose not to play with me and I would respect that.

[Jingle]

That's fine. Idc if I do. Egotistical players will never value logical opinions if it's not in their favor.

Eh. I'm an ego and I'm pretty damn logic oriented.

[Tchill13]

Yeah inferno that was pretty shitty. It really shows because you replaced back in after losing pressure.

If I was a mod you'd be reprimanded for that sort of thing.

And you don't get to pick and choose who's bs is worse. BS is bs regardless.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think my method of scumhunting has essentially no counterplay. i have no more difficulty reading the best scum players than the worst and i don't usually struggle against people going all out to fool me.

[Jingle]

Tactical replace outs or not, replacing out because being pressured is an unethical move regardless of the alignment.

+1

imo the only reason to replace is because you are incapable of continuing to play, presumably bc RL.

If I had the ability to make a siterule, it would be that a replace out is a 2 week signup ban. Always.

[Tchill13]

I mean. you know the kind of experience a game with me is going to present. I would not be offended or upset if you decided that it isn't for you and chose not to play with me and I would respect that.

You don't really respect shit.

[Inferno390]

Tactical replace outs or not, replacing out because being pressured is an unethical move regardless of the alignment.

If the game is being made unfun by other players for you and making it impossible for you to play the game, would you sit there and let them do it to you?
The pressure was not the problem. The problem was the pressure was BS and RC and Axe were refusing to interact with me. Regardless of alignment, the game was quite literally making me furious, and I didn’t want to play against that crap.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, knowing RC more than some people do, RC wouldn't back out of a reaction test with only giving this

Believe it or not

His reaction if he were scum would be a lot scummier

as a reason, so I actually believe him.

[GuyInFreezer]

Tactical replace outs or not, replacing out because being pressured is an unethical move regardless of the alignment.

If the game is being made unfun by other players for you and making it impossible for you to play the game, would you sit there and let them do it to you?
The pressure was not the problem. The problem was the pressure was BS and RC and Axe were refusing to interact with me. Regardless of alignment, the game was quite literally making me furious, and I didn’t want to play against that crap.

V/LA is a thing to cool your head.

[Jingle]

i think my method of scumhunting has essentially no counterplay. i have no more difficulty reading the best scum players than the worst and i don't usually struggle against people going all out to fool me.

I have a plan for snowing you as scum, actually. Someday I might even be able to use it.

[Inferno390]

Yeah inferno that was pretty shitty. It really shows because you replaced back in after losing pressure.

If I was a mod you'd be reprimanded for that sort of thing.

And you don't get to pick and choose who's bs is worse. BS is bs regardless.

I replaced back in because RC came out with his “oh I was making shit up” story.
The pressure had nothing to do with it. I don’t care about pressure as long as it’s real pressure.

[RuiRui]

I think the problem with this setup is that mafia had no way to stop me from getting 2 results

If I claimed my role on day 2, I could have been protected by the jailkeeper, after 1 town is in my neighborhood just killing me doesn't stop a second result, a miller kill is unlikely on night 1 by the mafia

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah also

I've won all my games where I fakeclaimed as town though.

That's great. Congrats. I wonder how many ppl you've inspired to play that way that fail at it miserably. It's not your problem though right?

Only the ppl that play with those that are inspired to solo gambit in the future are the ones that have to deal with the mess.

For each successful solo gambit I'd easily, easily say there's 8 to 12 unsuccessful ones on site.

I actually preach to not fakeclaim unless they know what they're actually doing and it can't backfire negatively in any way.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, for an example

Figure out the setup before scum

This is reeeeeeeally hard to do most of the time.

[Tchill13]

i think my method of scumhunting has essentially no counterplay. i have no more difficulty reading the best scum players than the worst and i don't usually struggle against people going all out to fool me.

Yeah thats the point of solo gambits. You, believe you're play is so wonderful that nothing is a counter. There's no correct way to play against it. And the only thing that could go wrong is your ability to read someone. But if you misread town it's towns fault for playing shitty. And if you correctly read scum it's your fault for being so awesome.

Same tune different verse. Same shit different mouth.

You're just like the rest of them.

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean

if you

took my scumreads on you guys seriously

and attempted to disrove the svs read

i probably would have seen it

instead axe started lolcatting and you refused to even consider him after calling him scum

[Tchill13]

Exactly. It literally hurts your soul to take responsibility for even one thing.

I refused to call you scum also. I did however call chennisden scum.

But I should have called axe scum instead of chennisden scum even though axe was town and chennisden was scum.

That's what you're ultimately saying. I got lynched for reading axe correctly and reacting to your fake push on actual scum incorrectly.

Like LOL dude. Do you not see the issue with that?

[Tchill13]

And at what point should I not take someone's reads seriously? I didn't know how you played.

I was under the impression that players if town have no incentive to lie but I, was punished for not knowing you're too good for classical town play.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was under the impression that players if town have no incentive to lie

Ok this explains everything.

Always lie. Fear and Ignorance. Carnival of Lunacy. The only true way to play Mafia.

[GuyInFreezer]

There is no law. There is no order. There is no logic.
Submit to chaos. Spread the lunacy. Only then, you will see the truth.

[Tchill13]

Only time I ever lie is mass claim and I bread crumb my real role before fake claiming VT.

But Idk. Ppl have their own styles and it's actually useless to try and tell them their wrong.

No law and order equals low town win rate.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean there are no "correct" way to play mafia.
People just pick the playstyles that works.
Would you believe me if I say about 80% of the TvT comes from nothing but a pure playstyle conflict?

[Jingle]

No, because you're clearly a compulsive liar.

[Fumuki]

Would you believe me if I say about 80% of the TvT comes from nothing but a pure playstyle conflict?

Not only I believe it, as I would be even cheekier to rise that percentage to 90%

[Tchill13]

Yeah I could agree with that actually.