Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

[Patrick]

Votecount

Niv (2) -- Simenon, Mastermind of Sin
No Lynch (2) -- Niv, ZONEACE

Not voting: Ether, Korejora
6 alive, 4 to lynch.

Deadline hits 10 pm GMT on the 12th. No majority means no lynch.

[ZONEACE]

and you are all still as stupid as you were at the beginning of the game.


you know, im fed up with these false, baseless accusations

unvote vote zoneace

if you wanna lynch me so bad and end in the game in a town loss, then have at it. ive had mroe than a enough of this BS.

[Korejora]

Muffin :(

vote: Niv

[Ether]

I...still don't think ZONEACE is scum.

I will most likely hammer Niv; in the meantime, hi.

[Korejora]

I suppose that means you're not scum if he's town.

[Ether]

Ayup.

[Korejora]

Not that it matters if we lynch him and he turns out to be.

[ZONEACE]

I...still don't think ZONEACE is scum.

I will most likely hammer Niv; in the meantime, hi.

you seem to be the only who is able to figure out the obvious.

[Simenon]

I...still don't think ZONEACE is scum.

I will most likely hammer Niv; in the meantime, hi.

you seem to be the only who is able to figure out the obvious.

And you really don't think these comments are deliberately constructed to indicate a victim?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Still here, still voting Niv.

[Niv]

I...still don't think ZONEACE is scum.

I will most likely hammer Niv; in the meantime, hi.

you seem to be the only who is able to figure out the obvious.

I've maintained you are town since day one

also, still voting no lynch, beacuse i see no benifit ion noit

[Simenon]

32 hours until deadline and I am not interested in deadline no lynching.

[Simenon]

36, actually. Regardless.

[Simenon]

Vae puto deus fio

[Ether]

...meh, screw it.

vote: Niv

[Patrick]

After alot of quiet and thoughtful deliberation, you come to a majority decision to lynch Niv. He's a member of the town masonry, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's loyal to the town does it? No sir, it does not. Niv the protown mason is soon transformed into Niv the dead protown mason, and all that with just one length of rope! You all look at each other kind of furtively before all shuffling off in your different directions, wondering whether something bad is about to happen.

Niv - Protown Mason - lynched day 7

Night 7. Quickly.

[Patrick]

Four of you emerge safely from an uneasy night's sleep to find that Korejora hasn't survived the night. She was an innocent townsperson, shot in the head on her way home, barely a hundred yards from the town square. Unfortunately for you guys of the town, your numbers have dwindled to the point where the mafia no longer have to hide. MoS and Simenon both draw their guns, and make short work of Ether and ZONEACE, leaving them in control of what is a now a completely deserted town. God knows what they plan to do with it, but that's outside the scope of this game.

Korejora - Vanilla Townie - killed night 7

Ether - Protown Mason - killed in the endgame
ZONEACE - Vanilla Townie - killed in the endgame

The Mafia (Battle Mage, Mastermind of Sin, Simenon, Toaster Strudel) and Mafia Traitor (Elmo) win!

[Patrick]

Generic Role PMs

You are the Mafia Godfather. You founded the mafia in this town, and everybody else in the hierarchy takes orders from you. Your fellow mafiates are A, B and C. Each night you may talk in private and decide on a player you wish to kill, and who should carry out the kill. You have the final word in case of any disputes. You may talk pregame, but note that the game starts in day so there will be no kill.

You have many friends in useful places, and this influence means that any investigations against you will show you as innocent. In addition, any nightkill attempts on you will fail. Finally, you have an idea that there may be someone willing to help you in the town who you don't know about, but unfortunately you have no more details than that.

You win when all living players are mafia aligned. Confirm by PM.

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You are the Mafia Roleblocker. Your fellow Mafiates are A, B and C. Each night you may talk in private and decide on a player you wish to kill, and who should carry out the kill. Note that the Mafia Godfather has the final word in case of any disputes. You may talk to your partners pregame, but note that the game starts in day so there will be no kill.

In addition, you may send me the name of a player every night you want to roleblock. They will be prevented from using any abilities they may have that night. Note that you may use this ability on the same night that you carry out a nightkill.

You win when all living players are mafia aligned. Confirm by PM.

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You are the Mafia Bookie. Your fellow Mafiates are A, B and C. Each night you may talk in private and decide on a player you wish to kill, and who should carry out the kill. Note that the Mafia Godfather has the final word in case of any disputes. You may talk to your partners pregame, but note that the game starts in day so there will be no kill.

Every night, you may send me a bookie target; the player who you think is most likely to be lynched the following day. If you choose correctly, you will be allowed two nightkills the following night as a reward. Note that you can only gain a maximum of 3 extra nightkills in this way, and that extra nightkills cannot be saved to be used later.

You win when all living players are mafia aligned. Confirm by PM.

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You are the Mafia Mason. Your fellow Mafiates are A, B and C. Each night you may talk in private and decide on a player you wish to kill, and who should carry out the kill. Note that the Mafia Godfather has the final word in case of any disputes. You may talk to your partners pregame, but note that the game starts in day so there will be no kill.

In addition, you are also a member of the town's secret masonic society, along with V, X, Y and Z. You may talk to them every night in addition to your scumpartners. Your fellow masons are all protown. They do not know that you're a member of the mafia, but they do know that their masonry isn't entirely clean, so beware. You may talk to the masons pregame if you so choose.

You win when all living players are mafia aligned. Confirm by PM.

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You are the Mafia Traitor. You've been living in this town for several years, but when the mafia appeared, you've always wanted to be one of them. You've resolved to help the mafia takeover this town. Unfortunately, you only know the identity of the Mafia Godfather, who is X. The mafia don't know that you're on their side. They may or may not know that your role exists at all. You cannot be recruited into the mafia at all, and if the mafia target you with a nightkill, you will die as normal.

Each night, you may send me the name of a player you wish to investigate, and I will tell you their full role. You also have a one shot protection from nightkills, but you have to tell me what night you want to use it. Finally, because you aren't truly a member of the mafia, you will show as innocent to any cop investigations.

You win when all living players are mafia aligned. Note that if you are the only scum player alive, you will leave the town and the town wins. You need at least one member of the real mafia alive to win.


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You are member of the secret town masonic society. Your fellow masons are V, X, Y and Z and you may talk to them at night, as well as pregame. However, you are fairly sure that not everyone in the masonry is trustworthy. You have been warned.

You win when all anti town roles have been eliminated. Confirm by PM.

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You are a cop. Each night you may send me the name of a player you want to investigate, and I will tell you whether they are innocent or guilty.

You win when all anti town roles have been eliminated. Confirm by PM.

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You are a doctor. Each night you may send me the name of a player you want to protect from harm; any nightkills against them that night will fail. You may not protect yourself.

You win when all anti town roles have been eliminated. Confirm by PM.

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You are a vigilante. You have a gun and you know how to use it. Each night you may choose to kill another player who you suspect of being scum. You have infinite shots, but can only kill once per night. You are not forced to kill if you don't want to.

You win when all anti town roles have been eliminated. Confirm by PM.

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You are a tracker. Each night you may track someone and I will tell you whether or not they performed a nightaction that night. If they did perform a nightaction, I'll also tell you who they targetted.

You win when all anti town roles have been eliminated. Confirm by PM.

[Patrick]

Nightactions

Night 1

Mafia sends Simenon to kill White
The Venerable Zorg roleblocks Erg0
No Bookie choice sent in
Traitor investigates Ether (protown mason)
Lemming1607 (cop) investigates Toaster Strudel (innocent)
Erg0 (doctor) protects Lemming1607
The Fonz (tracker) tracks Toaster Strudel (going nowhere)
Sir Tornado (vig) kills Flameaxe

Night 2

Mafia sends Simenon to kill The Fonz
Battle Mage roleblocks Lemming1607
Bookie bets on Sir Tornado being lynched
Traitor investigates Mastermind of Sin (Mafia Bookie)
Lemming1607 (cop) investigates Setael (failed due to roleblock)
Erg0 (doctor) protects Lemming 1607
The Fonz (tracker) tracks Yamahako (going nowhere but the tracker dies)
Sir Tornado (vig) kills Setael

Night 3

Mafia sends Battle Mage to kill Erg0
Battle Mage roleblocks Skruffs
Bookie bets on Setael to be lynched
Traitor investigates Simenon (Mafia Mason)
Skruffs (cop) investigates Bookitty (failed due to roleblock)
Erg0 (doctor) protects Skruffs

Night 4

Mafia sends Simenon to kill Skruffs
No Bookie choice sent in
Traitor investigates Setael (Vanilla Townie)
Skruffs (cop) investigates Setael (innocent)
Sir Tornado (vig) kills K-Scope

Night 5

Mafia sends Simenon to kill Sir Tornado
Traitor investigates Korejora (Vanilla Townie)
Sir Tornado (vig) kills Elmo

Night 6

Mafia sends MoS to kill Bookitty
Bookie bets on Niv to be lynched

Night 7

Mafia sends MoS to kill Korejora

[Simenon]

whew

[Patrick]

Regarding the setup: As can be seen from role PMs, the mafia mason was a fullscum mason, which I know a few people seemed to think was impossible. I included the masonry to see how the masons would handle it, to see how much or how little nightalking would be used, and to see some speculation about what the untrustworthy mason was (although, for some reason it never occurred to me that people would think miller). I also wondered whether the town would follow a strategy of killing off masons as quickly as possible, or killing off non masons as quickly as possible. I don't think the addition of the masonry changed balanced that much; I think 4 vanilla townies and 1 mafia goon instead wouldn't have hurt the town too much. Simenon had a copy of the town mason PM, and I have to say early on, when Niv attacked Sim, I didn't have a clue what was happening. I read over that argument several times, and still couldn't figure it out.

Early on I was worried because I thought scum were screwed. Simenon under early mason pressure, both Zorg and TS acting scummy, and MoS hated by the cop. Only the traitor was flying under the radar, and he couldn't win by himself. If Zorg had been lynched day 1 instead of Zeppo, this game could have been very different, not least because the cop would have had several useful investigations.

On day 4 I was worried because I thought the town was getting wiped out completely. It seemed like one of Bookitty or Setael was getting lynched, and probably the other one the next day, and in general there just seemed to be alot of fairly easy targets for scum. I was sort of relieved when people started going after Battle Mage. I think the town definitely had a chance after that, but the game was mostly lost on days 6 and 7 by the apathetic town play. Not much I can add to that; the game definitely started dragging, and was clearly becoming a chore for everybody, and those conditions aren't exactly ripe for finding scum.

I thought the mafia didn't function very well as a unit, especially on day 1, and because they missed half of their bookie nightchoices, as well as failing to make the obvious bookie choice on night 1 (TS). On day 4 I predicted MoS and Simenon would win it for scum though, so well done to them. Elmo the traitor seemed very good at figuring out his scumbuddies in this game, as can be seen from his investigations, and he also left MoS a breadcrumb when he said, "I wouldn't take a bet on MoS". I couldn't work out whether MoS had seen this or not.

It's a shame the game ended up slow and anticlimatic, but I still hope people enjoyed it before days 6/7, and thanks everyone who helped me out by replacing into this game.

[Flameaxe]

Ether should post the transcripts.

[Mastermind of Sin]

This is the second game where TS has been scum with me and completely self-destructed for no fucking reason. This is only the third game where we've been scum together. Now I know why I don't like playing with her.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh, and that third game was one where she faked a "smiley-only" post restriction. Kinda hard to self-destruct when you aren't saying anything.

[Ether]

Night 1:

(8:15:31 PM)rebelkidrules has entered the room.
CaffieneDeity(8:15:36 PM): Greetings.
rebelkidrules(8:15:38 PM): inviting buhbuh
(8:15:46 PM)Buhbuhbam13 has entered the room.
Buhbuhbam13(8:15:52 PM): woo mason party
rebelkidrules(8:15:56 PM): wup wup
CaffieneDeity(8:16:13 PM): I've put Booboo onto my AIM list, but apparently he never actually uses it.
rebelkidrules(8:16:34 PM): booboo's in the mason group?
rebelkidrules(8:16:36 PM): shit
Buhbuhbam13(8:16:39 PM): hehe
rebelkidrules(8:16:44 PM): i guess i shouldn't have tried to lynch him
rebelkidrules(8:16:46 PM): >.<
rebelkidrules(8:17:29 PM): so i suggested we try to get ts/mos lynched tomorrow
CaffieneDeity(8:18:12 PM): Flare.
rebelkidrules(8:18:25 PM): absolutely not
CaffieneDeity(8:18:55 PM): TS, my only problem is the claim, which I do not myself believe.
Buhbuhbam13(8:19:04 PM): i have doubts about the claim too
Buhbuhbam13(8:19:21 PM): the double sanity cops seems unlikely, but possible.
rebelkidrules(8:19:26 PM): ugh, ts' entire play amazes me from a town perspective
rebelkidrules(8:19:33 PM): reread it and try to think of her as a town cop
rebelkidrules(8:19:42 PM): i find it very hard to believe
rebelkidrules(8:19:50 PM): i'
rebelkidrules(8:20:07 PM): m willing to not pursue mos, but ts definately
rebelkidrules(8:20:37 PM): see this is why these conversations are a bad thing- since one of us may very well be scum (although i think the scum is booboo), i don't want my policy dictated by it
Buhbuhbam13(8:20:46 PM): /notscum
CaffieneDeity(8:20:52 PM): There are five of us.
Buhbuhbam13(8:21:23 PM): niv's outting early on made me feel uneasy about him
CaffieneDeity(8:21:43 PM): And I've heard PJ speak of the grilling potential, though I'm not sure about my own abilities there.
CaffieneDeity(8:22:35 PM): I still think the coming out was townish.
rebelkidrules(8:22:43 PM): i agree
rebelkidrules(8:22:49 PM): took a bit too much on the guts side
rebelkidrules(8:22:59 PM): unless he could have been prodded by a bolder scumbuddy
rebelkidrules(8:23:00 PM): like ts
rebelkidrules(8:23:02 PM): hey
rebelkidrules(8:23:06 PM): let's lynch ts tomorrow
CaffieneDeity(8:23:09 PM): Heh.
Buhbuhbam13(8:26:33 PM): This game needs 1 thing.
Buhbuhbam13(8:26:38 PM): A0tA wagon 07.
CaffieneDeity(8:27:08 PM): I missed wagoning you. ._.
CaffieneDeity(8:29:23 PM): Incidentally, I told Patrick I'd send transcripts to him. Any objections there?
rebelkidrules(8:29:41 PM): nope
Buhbuhbam13(8:29:45 PM): Nope. Unless this is a game where the Mod is actually scum.
rebelkidrules(8:29:56 PM): i think i want to claim mason as scum in a game
rebelkidrules(8:29:57 PM): that would be fun
CaffieneDeity(8:30:13 PM): TS has. ¬_¬
rebelkidrules(8:30:17 PM): where
CaffieneDeity(8:30:38 PM): Yakuza.
rebelkidrules(8:31:47 PM): that's insane
554LINKCaffieneDeity(8:32:04 PM): I still think this votecount is a point strongly in MoS's favor.
CaffieneDeity(8:32:38 PM): TS was funny about Flare.
rebelkidrules(8:33:03 PM): eh i'd expect ts to bus mos
rebelkidrules(8:33:13 PM): the thing that's interesting is that mos was so tame on ts
rebelkidrules(8:33:26 PM): practically preparing for a counter claim
Buhbuhbam13(8:34:09 PM): ts/mos/booboo scum group, obvobv
rebelkidrules(8:36:02 PM): i'd be down with that
CaffieneDeity(8:36:22 PM): I still doubt it.
545LINKCaffieneDeity(8:38:52 PM): And I think the contradiction I pointed out here suggests Flare/TS. The early MoSwagon was just iffy in every way.
rebelkidrules(8:39:22 PM): eh
rebelkidrules(8:39:23 PM): again
rebelkidrules(8:39:26 PM): i'm not entirely convinced
rebelkidrules(8:39:57 PM): i'd much rather focus my efforts on lynching ts, who is probably going to get a lot of suporters tomorrow
rebelkidrules(8:40:00 PM): and who can blame them
rebelkidrules(8:40:02 PM): -_-
CaffieneDeity(8:40:07 PM): Also, Dad is yelling at me to get off.
rebelkidrules(8:40:15 PM): i have an unfortunately one track mind
rebelkidrules(8:40:23 PM): i'd do it
rebelkidrules(8:40:27 PM): don't let him ban you again
CaffieneDeity(8:41:33 PM): ...bah.
(8:41:48 PM)rebelkidrules has left the room.

CaffieneDeity (8:14:07 PM): Night phase in Normal 70 (Zeppo was town). I don't hold with this "don't talk if not confirmed" nonsense: there are five of us, so our suspicions aren't exactly going to be lost forever even if we're not giving them out in-thread. I'm not sure what to make of TS's behavior toward the mason lodge (I initially thought she was fishing), but Flameaxe's 333 challenge of Beastly's TSvote while he himself wasn't voting was iffy, and he never really gave a stance on her cop claim or much else. I'm thinking about how best to grill Flameaxe--and preferably not just about TS. Discuss.

(Ether is invited to the mason chat and told that Flameaxe has also been invited)

CaffieneDeity (8:16:36 PM): ...preferably without Flameaxe?
rebelkidrules (8:17:05 PM): i'm pretty sure bbb isn't scum
rebelkidrules (8:17:17 PM): he sounds damn genuine in my conversations with him
CaffieneDeity (8:17:51 PM): Send?
rebelkidrules (8:18:06 PM): well first of all
rebelkidrules (8:18:08 PM): he contacted me
rebelkidrules (8:18:14 PM): and has made an effort of contacting me
rebelkidrules (8:18:19 PM): but sure
CaffieneDeity (8:28:07 PM): Still send?
rebelkidrules (8:28:39 PM): sorry
rebelkidrules (8:28:41 PM): sure
rebelkidrules (8:28:44 PM): by pm
CaffieneDeity (8:28:48 PM): 'Kay.
rebelkidrules (8:28:58 PM): timestamps?
CaffieneDeity (8:29:15 PM): I don't care either way; go ahead.
rebelkidrules (8:41:49 PM): *** This user has signed off and is no longer online ***

Buhbuhbam13: halo mason buddy
rebelkidrules: hi
rebelkidrules: let's just quickly go over suspicions just in case one of us dies
Buhbuhbam13: are you still not scum?
rebelkidrules: i am still not scum lawl u?
rebelkidrules: my list: ts, mos
Buhbuhbam13: no lulz
Buhbuhbam13: i didnt get good vibes from TS' claim honestly.
rebelkidrules: i cannot imagine a situation where ts isn't scum
Buhbuhbam13: right
rebelkidrules: but i may have to settle for mos anyway
rebelkidrules: do you have a list?
Buhbuhbam13: well, from early on i didnt like Niv's outting of you two
Buhbuhbam13: because you didnt respond well with 'hi'
Buhbuhbam13: lemme take a look at the player list

CaffieneDeity (11:38:04 PM): Have you spoken to Niv or Booboo?
Buhbuhbam13 (11:38:14 PM): No
CaffieneDeity (11:39:02 PM): (Personally, I've PMed Booboo but not Niv. He's picked up the PM but failed to respond.)
Buhbuhbam13 (11:39:10 PM): Hmm
CaffieneDeity (11:41:06 PM): To be honest, I find your own agreement with the TS/MoS deal iffy--I can't remember you ever commenting on MoS. What do you think about him?
Buhbuhbam13 (11:41:39 PM): Let me do another quick read on him here in a few minutes
CaffieneDeity (11:46:00 PM): What do you think of him right now?
Buhbuhbam13 (11:46:20 PM): just seemed like alot of town leading, honestly
CaffieneDeity (11:46:47 PM): Why the Zeppovote?
Buhbuhbam13 (11:47:10 PM): preventing NL
CaffieneDeity (11:47:46 PM): "No, Zeppo voting is the only path to the light!" I see.
Buhbuhbam13 (11:47:57 PM): obv jokepost
CaffieneDeity (11:48:00 PM): "Oh and Vote: Zeppo for reasons stated above."
CaffieneDeity (11:49:59 PM): What are your opinions of Zorg and White?
CaffieneDeity (11:52:56 PM): You needn't hesitate.
CaffieneDeity (11:53:25 PM): I'm not really waiting for research; a general impression is fine.
CaffieneDeity (11:57:01 PM): Also, I'm going to have to sleep at some point and it's going to leave a bad taste in my mouth if you can't answer.
CaffieneDeity (12:08:58 AM): So, yeah. I'm going to wait and read what my psychology class group came up with, and then I'm going to bed, probably sending this transcript out first.

Flameaxe has been typing away in ScumChat this whole time. Unless you have a really lenient metagame on him, I'm thinking he was buddying up to you.

I also sent Booboo a PM flat-out asking him who the scum were; he picked it up and hasn't responded at all. Dunno. They could both be scum, I guess, hopefully not together. Booboo feels so easy; I'm not sure how to say anything logical on this subject.

I'm about to contact Niv, but only to ask him if he uses AIM. I'm not sending him this transcript immediately--I want him to talk around a bit or confirm that he has no realtime interrogation capacity of his own. Give him his own chances to socialize first.

Hi. PMs are kind of awkward. Do you have AIM? (Even though I claim to be Unvote, I'm more commonly found at CaffieneDeity. Flameaxe and Colin both put up their AIM screen names publically, I think. Booboo, I've never seen on AIM and I put him on my buddy list some time in the middle of Day 1.)

i have Windows live messanger.

my Email is Willielahay282@hotmail.com if you can add me, feel free

I'm sandsong@gmail.com, but really, I pay more attention to my PMbox here than to my e-mail address, and they're both slowish.

It seams i was able to add you to my IMing service

I strongly, strongly encourage you to make use of your AIM, but this'll have to do for now.

Who's scum and why?

By the way, you do realized that I'm aware that you picked up my last PM over 24 hours ago and ignored it, right?

Yes. Im going to ask for a replacement by the way.

CaffieneDeity (8:26:08 PM): So, uh, can we discuss the PM I sent you?
rebelkidrules (8:27:49 PM): i'll let you know when i have time
CaffieneDeity (8:28:25 PM): Okay...
rebelkidrules (8:30:38 PM): probably not until 9:30
CaffieneDeity (8:30:57 PM): What are you doing?
rebelkidrules (8:31:15 PM): hw mostly
rebelkidrules (8:31:24 PM): some random posting in threads telling them i won't be active
CaffieneDeity (8:31:44 PM): Ah.
CaffieneDeity (9:27:32 PM): Is this close enough?
Auto Response From rebelkidrules (9:27:33 PM): essays
rebelkidrules (9:28:03 PM): okay
CaffieneDeity (9:28:33 PM): Well?
rebelkidrules (9:28:40 PM): reading
rebelkidrules (9:28:55 PM): hrm
rebelkidrules (9:29:13 PM): i could pursue booboo tomorrow alternatively
rebelkidrules (9:29:35 PM): i'm reading your transcript now
CaffieneDeity (9:29:54 PM): (Incidentally, Booboo's also pathetic. I sent him another PM telling him sweetly that I saw him pick up his PM over 24 hours ago.)
rebelkidrules (9:30:06 PM): oh wow
CaffieneDeity (9:30:09 PM): (But he hasn't picked it up yet.)
rebelkidrules (9:30:11 PM): i agree with that
rebelkidrules (9:30:21 PM): oh, i dislike that a great deal
rebelkidrules (9:31:05 PM): hrm
rebelkidrules (9:31:11 PM): that changes my mind a bit about flameaxe
rebelkidrules (9:31:17 PM): however
rebelkidrules (9:31:58 PM): i'd rather pressure booboo simply because he's more likely to break and i don't feel like presenting any sort of inconsistency among the masons yet, let alone outing them, so we can't really bring an argument against bbb
CaffieneDeity (9:34:12 PM): That's kind of annoyed me, because while I agree, I have yet to put a finger on why considering my feelings about both Booboo and Flameaxe. (Niv gave me his e-mail address in the meantime, but, yeah, there won't be any 5-person AIM hearts to heart.)
CaffieneDeity (9:40:02 PM): Flameaxe is no longer idle.
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