Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

[Patrick]

Votecount

No Votes!

6 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Niv]

I think Nivscum would have stayed back (though I don't have a meta on him). Niv/Kore? Meh.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=104799 In progrss

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=102909Only game i was ever some sort of scum, (unknowing traitor)

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=91371

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=95107
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=93461
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=82737
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=80123 Newb Game

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=77513 Newb game

also plaed a few games here, but those ca be found by viewing my posts i belive

[Mastermind of Sin]

2/5 masons. And I have no idea what to look at here. I was halfway guessing yesterday, and I'd be completely guessing today. I had to take another look at MOS when Setael turned up innocent, after how long he'd been after her, but my opinion hasn't changed from yesterday -- I still think it incriminates Niv more than MOS. Bookitty's death didn't give me anything new since I already figured her for town - it just reinforced what I already had, which wasn't much.

ZONEACE still doesn't point me either way. I skimmed some of his games when I first replaced into this game; he was acting normal then, and he's acting normal now. If Ether is scum, then I would probably say MOS is scum, but I don't think that's right. Niv, I repeat, bothers me for the same reasons Setael did. Simenon hasn't given me much of a reason to think he's town, but that's not something I'd like to lynch someone on.

I think we all agreed we probably only had two chances left. Bookitty and I both threw in our fair share of complaints about that. I have no particular qualms with mass-claiming, but as far as I can tell we don't really have a standout player that everyone thinks is town, so how do you intend to organize it?

As any good town does it.

Randomly.

1) MoS
2) Korejora

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Whoever's number comes up goes first.

[Korejora]

Randomizing can be rigged too easily, especially if it's done by one of the people claiming.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Umm, how exactly can I rig the forum's

built-in

dice rolling function? You

DO

know that a rigged dice roll would look like:

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

right?

[Korejora]

No. I didn't know the forum had a built-in dice rolling function.

'Nilla.

[Mastermind of Sin]

same here.

[Korejora]

I figured.

[Simenon]

1) Korejora (replacing Aimee)
2) Simenon
6) Ether (replacing Honary Hitchhiker)
8) Mastermind of Sin
11) ZONEACE
18) Niv

I'm discounting the possibility of there being two scum masons. Today, I'm proposing we lynch a mason, and then attack the problem of two mason scum when tomorrow.

Masons:
Simenon
Ether
Niv

Nonmasons:
ZONEACE
Korejora
MoS


The Bookitty kill really throws me into disrepair. I originally would have entirely opposed a Kore lynch, but her recent lynch of Setael for whatever reason bugs me. That can't be a deciding reason, though: all of the nonmasons have Setael's blood on their hands. In fact, everybody except two masons voted for Setael. Those masons are Ether and I. And Ether was voting the other mason, Niv.

I've trusted Ether for the entire game and I see no reason why I shouldn't trust her now.

Vote Niv

I'll write up a case this weekend.

[Ether]

In fact, everybody except two masons voted for Setael. Those masons are Ether and I. And Ether was voting the other mason, Niv.

I've trusted Ether for the entire game and I see no reason why I shouldn't trust her now.

This segue creeps me out. I will very much like to see your train of thought spelled out further.

But I probably won't see it in the near future, unless you post it today; I'll be on vacation next week.

[Simenon]

"trust her now" as in "trust her not to be scum" not "trust her to be right". Since really, you haven't been correct too often.

[ZONEACE]

so looking back, and considering where we are that day one argument between Niv and Sim has be concerned. Both have sort of been forgotten as possible suspects since then and i think that was probably a HUGE mistake on our part. Still not sure who is the scum, but both of them are huge blips.

[Niv]

I'm going to agree that we should lynch a mason today, so by that, i will probally still be leaning sim, but i will look back and re read him sometime in the next couple days, and try to prepare something. also, going to look at the non masons as well. infact i'll prob just do quick reread again

[Patrick]

Considering a deadline for obvious reasons. Pick up activity to avoid.

[Simenon]

Gah, work. I'm going to try to get to that post.

[Mastermind of Sin]

V/LA through Friday.

[Simenon]

It is challenging to read Niv's posts. Are all those smileys really necessary?

Post 43 Niv votes me "for no reason" before he actually claims his information. It seems remarkably coincidental.

Post 118. Blatant mischaracterization. The comment "My pm does not say to speak sparingly" =/= "my role pm says something along the lines of the factthat i am quite possitivve that someone canot be trusted in our masonry."

Post 250Someone who jumps to the conclusion of a neutral tends to be scum, especially since "you have not a protown move this game" would seem to indicate a scum more than a neutral.

Post 736"are you not even reading the game?" sounds a bit bizarre here. "Little weird coming from me, however, Why Sim?" suggests he knew all along that his reasons for attacking me at the beginning of the game did not deserve all of the enthusiasm that he displayed.

Post 1026 "i just don't risks. expect to die tomorow, regardless of result." is a strange comment here.

Post 1045This comment isn't useful at all, and I keep on reading it as "which of the scumbuddies are you talking to."

Post 1066Suddenly joins the Zeppo wagon.

Post 1335Another sudden switch.

Post 1410Votes MoS for voting someonw who would later be revealed to be a scum with bad logic. Hmm.

The next 25 posts are small posts with long bouts of lurking, which brings us up to January 10.

Post 2078Another Sudden Switch, prompted by one comment I made in regards to him. Either incredibly overdramatic (which Niv has a tendency to) or a rather opportunistic vote. Or both.

Post 2093Irrelevant, and a clear attempt to get a mason lynched.

/lurk

Post 2133 This is a large chunk of really bad logic.

Post 2135 I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia were told who the traitor was.

Post 2148.Weak. Really, really weak.

Post 2196. Again, very weak and noncommittal.

Post 2258Why did he decide this now, when it was popular to do so?

Post 2284I can't help but wonder why

Niv

is complaining about this.

Post 2547 I want to know on what basis did he decide ZONEACE was scum here? I find ZONEACE to be on the large part less helpful than Jdodge.

/lurk lurk lurk

Post 2743The most notable possible scum slip-up in the game.

[Korejora]

vote: Niv

Peekaboo.

[Mastermind of Sin]

It's definitely a good case, I have to agree with that. I'd like to hear Niv defend himself, so if anyone was planning to vote Niv, please wait.

[ZONEACE]

ok, so, we're waiting on niv to respond. So, hey niv. Respond so we can lynch you or sim.

[Simenon]

So, hey niv. Respond so we can lynch you or sim.

I wondering whether this is too obvious.

[Niv]

It is challenging to read Niv's posts. Are all those smileys really necessary?

Post 43 Niv votes me "for no reason" before he actually claims his information. It seems remarkably coincidental.

Post 118. Blatant mischaracterization. The comment "My pm does not say to speak sparingly" =/= "my role pm says something along the lines of the factthat i am quite possitivve that someone canot be trusted in our masonry."

Post 250Someone who jumps to the conclusion of a neutral tends to be scum, especially since "you have not a protown move this game" would seem to indicate a scum more than a neutral.

Post 736"are you not even reading the game?" sounds a bit bizarre here. "Little weird coming from me, however, Why Sim?" suggests he knew all along that his reasons for attacking me at the beginning of the game did not deserve all of the enthusiasm that he displayed.

Post 1026 "i just don't risks. expect to die tomorow, regardless of result." is a strange comment here.

Post 1045This comment isn't useful at all, and I keep on reading it as "which of the scumbuddies are you talking to."

Post 1066Suddenly joins the Zeppo wagon.

Post 1335Another sudden switch.

Post 1410Votes MoS for voting someonw who would later be revealed to be a scum with bad logic. Hmm.

The next 25 posts are small posts with long bouts of lurking, which brings us up to January 10.

Post 2078Another Sudden Switch, prompted by one comment I made in regards to him. Either incredibly overdramatic (which Niv has a tendency to) or a rather opportunistic vote. Or both.

Post 2093Irrelevant, and a clear attempt to get a mason lynched.

/lurk

Post 2133 This is a large chunk of really bad logic.

Post 2135 I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia were told who the traitor was.

Post 2148.Weak. Really, really weak.

Post 2196. Again, very weak and noncommittal.

Post 2258Why did he decide this now, when it was popular to do so?

Post 2284I can't help but wonder why

Niv

is complaining about this.

Post 2547 I want to know on what basis did he decide ZONEACE was scum here? I find ZONEACE to be on the large part less helpful than Jdodge.

/lurk lurk lurk

Post 2743The most notable possible scum slip-up in the game.

Blame delayed responces on 12 hour days in a kitchen

Reading over this case, I don't think i can adequatally defend myself.

ok, so, we're waiting on niv to respond. So, hey niv. Respond so we can lynch you or sim.

I actually agree with this. If we were to lynch me today and sim tomorow, even though I have to die, we still lynch scum. I have the strongest read on sim, and I am pretty much certain that he is scum. yes i know it is not useful to give up, but i can't see any way around this, and i don't want to fight a losing battle

[Korejora]

If we were to lynch me today and sim tomorow, even though I have to die, we still lynch scum.

If there are two scum left, and we mislynch today, then we will lose. 5/22 for one scum group seems pretty standard to me.

[Patrick]

Deadline for May 12th, time of day to be specified nearer the time. Still a full majority required to lynch someone. This deadline can be retracted if people play, but it becomes non-retractable 48 hours before it hits.

[Niv]

If we were to lynch me today and sim tomorow, even though I have to die, we still lynch scum.

If there are two scum left, and we mislynch today, then we will lose. 5/22 for one scum group seems pretty standard to me.

If this is the case, I sudgest a

Vote No Lynch

. and then we can deal with one less tomorow. not like anyone is really in the the clear for real.

In fact, i weas running the assumption of one scum,but i dont know why