all right, let me make my case against Zakarum. If some of these points have been covered by others, I'm sorry. I will attempt to look for them elsewhere, but I feel it's important for me to give my opinion, even if it's saying something that someone has already said. Sorry about the length, but I feel that some case needs to be made for someone since we seem to be going off on tangents for the most part today. All the suspicion seems to be for out-of-game things, and we need something based solely on the game.
Day 1:
Zakarum's first post:
Zakarum wrote:TheHermit wrote:Yeah, I suspect that there's nothing about ryan jumping the gun that's ACTUALLY a tell. But if we don't start making mountains out of molehills we'll never get out of the random voting stage.
Trying to get a quick lynch?
Um, what? That statement means nothing besides the fact that we have to suspect people for little things. It has nothing to do with wanting to lynch someone quickly.
Zakarum's second post:
Zakarum wrote: TheHermit wrote:
Elias_the_thief wrote:
I as a player have nothing against lynching townies for the gain of the town, though I dont want to get into that debate right now. However, lynching another townie to clear your own name is in no way a good reason to lynch someone that you don't think is scum. First, you're assuming that you are more valuable to the town. Second, you're assuming that by doing this youre actually clearing your name, and I feel that youre doing quite the opposite. So yeah. Scummy post. Also, if Bookitty is scum, theres lots of motivation to lynch a townie and clear herself. Not to mention her inconsistency on whether or not she got a pm from ryan.
I agree with all of this. Assuming we lynch ryan and he comes up town, how does this prove that you are town? Answer: it does not. It does not clear your name.
Vote: Bookitty
Although it's pretty certain that if you come up scum, ryan's next on the chopping block.
QFT Very nice read Elias good call.
Vote: Bookitty
Following along with someone else's logic and placing a vote without adding any reasons of your own? Not often a good idea. It's almost always better to give reasons along with a vote.
That is the whole of his posts for Day 1.
Day 2:
The first post of him for day two:
Zakarum wrote:Well.... does this mean Bookitty is off the hook or could she just have been trying to cover for herself by outing ryan.
I don't understand this post at all. Nobody is ever off the hook for anything unless there is a sane cop and they find an innocent. Why even ask that unless you're trying to muddle things?
next post of the day:
Zakarum wrote:mcpaltp wrote:Great. No only is my scumdar competely off and a townie gets himself modkilled, but we lose an awesome townie. (Nice flavor, btw) This blows.
Oh, and thanks ryan. Thanks a bunch. Not only is a townie lynched, but we don't even get any vote histories to analyse.
If there is a consensus that I was acting inappropriately/too aggressively in pursuing someone who I thought was scummy, I'll ask to be replaced. I really don't want to ruin the fun for everyone else/break the game. Even if there is not a consensus, I'd like everybody to weigh in on maybe how I should have done that differently, if at all. I'm feeling guilty about the whole mess.
Seems very very scummy.
FOS: mcpaltp
Not too much to say about that. At least say why it's scummy instead of just agreeing with everybody else (again) and FoSing him
third post of day 2:
Zakarum wrote:Boggzie why would you do the whole im sorry thing after we just gave mcpaltp all that crap for it?
Are you faking it or is he? Are you both scum and your trying to take attention off of him? Or are both of you just very sorry townies and didnt mean to get one of us killed?
Eather way we have very little to go on and i would hate to vote for someone when all i have to go on is that they said they are sorry.
Just repeating what others have said.
next:
Zakarum wrote:Elias_the_thief wrote:um, yeah. this bandwagon is moving WAY too fast for my liking.
As far as I see it, there is no proof of whether the PM was for replacement purposes or for the purpose of PMing a buddy. Personally, I'm inclined to think its the former, seeing as
1) He IS searching for a replacement in a game, and
2) Sending a pm to his buddy now would be daytalking, and I'm assuming we have no cheaters here. Obviously, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
That being said,
unvote
.
Also, Boo, PLEASE don't do that. He may be scum, he may not, but the fact that he sent a pm to someone that MAY have been intended for you is certainly not enough for me to think you're scum, and if the rest of the town thinks otherwise, then the quality of play in this town is kind of questionable. (aka, you should NOT get lynched based on that alone).
More later.
Very defensive hasdgfas im starting to see the connection between you and opi.
FOS: Hasdfas and opi
As I have said before, I have no idea how he got a connection between me and opie out of my post. In no way was I defending Opie, I was asking Elias to clarify his comment. Nothing to do with opie whatsoever. I think you were reaching here to try to get others aboard with your views.
his next post is just saying that he found the quote from elias pretty quickly
next:
Zakarum wrote:This could be because I check these forums way to much or because my sense of time is a little off sometimes, but it seems like we are detracting from one of our major suspects Boogzie. I feel SJ had the best arguments and because of being against lynching ryan would have been the first to go after Boogzie so what do they do they kill him.
I feel that his "internet problem" couldn't have come at a better time. Take a couple of days off have a couple scumbuddies give the townies something else to think about while he gets away with letting ryan die.
SJs night kill wasn't random it was planned.
wait, what? Boggzie? I have seen nothing about Boggzie in your previous posts except that he shouldn't be sorry. Where did this come from? Trying to get a lynch of a relatively easy target who still seems suspicious to people?
As I have said before, SJ was not against a ryan lynch, so that argument is crap. Internet problems happen, often at inopportune times. Yes, the NK was planned, but all of them are. I don't get the point of the last sentence.
after a few posts without much of note:
Zakarum wrote:Elias_the_thief wrote:Zakarum: Do you still agree with the points I made today, or not? And if so, why have you made no serious mention of the possibility of Boo being scum today? If not, what was it that changed you mind?
If your talking about post 167 then yes i do agree with your points. I'm not sure why I haven't brought up Bookitty since the start of this day but it doesn't mean I have forgotten or stopped supporting the idea her and Boggzie are highest on my suspicious list due to the lynching of ryan. My other accusations were just to kinda throw ideas out there.
The only thing different is that I fell more suspicious of Boggzie than of Bookitty. The main reason is for pushing ryan very hard without strong evidence even after Bookitty stated that she got a pm regarding replacing into ryan's game.
keep mentioning that you still feel Bookitty is scum then. Don't just go completely to another target. When you do that you look like scum trying to find an easy target to lynch
next:
Zakarum wrote:neko2086 wrote:If Boggzie is scum, he must be laughing his ass off right now, because nobody seems to care at all about what happened on day1. I do like having other things to discuss, and I did specifically prompt some other discussion, but when Boggzie starts making comments such as "frankly, anyone defending me right now, even to me, looks scummy" (and that is a direct quote), I just have to wonder if he's just getting comfortable with the thought that he can incriminate himself all he wants and nobody will vote for him. Let's face it people, he could say "no really, I'm scum" and a few people here would still let him go.
Boggzie, if you're town and you want to help us, do us a favor and for chrissakes defend yourself to keep yourself alive. If you don't I'll have to assume you're scum.
Do you want to help or not?
Vote: Boggzie
until you've convinced me otherwise.
I agree with this very strongly although i will wait until Boggzie has a chance to defend himself before I place my vote. I also don't like the attacks on Thadmiral. I feel he is just a scapegoat because of so little information. Although he hasn't posted much I don't think he is scum and i think the quote was just a mistake.
Oh look another agreement, big surprise. Also, why don't you think he is scum. Give reasons, not just your opinions.
lastly:
Zakarum wrote:I don't agree with everyone hasdgfas I agree with who I fell is making a good point. I have given a couple different times my own ideas on Boggzie and even in the post you quoted from I gave my feelings on Thadmiral.
In response to your question sorry I must have not read it when I was reading through. I just felt that you were defending opi pretty strongly by calling Elais out like that when it wasn't very hard to find that Elais did defend ryan.
Sorry if it comes out that I am not paying attention but I do have a life I'm a college student so a lot of my time goes to studying. If it is that much of a problem you can replace me.
Fine, you don't agree with everyone all the time. Your arguments, however, as I've shown above, have been nonexistant to minimal. Mostly just what you thought, without any reason. That never looks good.
Another apology from someone, we've gone over this already.
Then there is the lurking. Not just the lurking, but the lurking, then jumping in and saying something that didn't make too much sense.
Throughout the entire game, I haven't been able to shake the scummy feeling I get from you. My vote feels good where it is right now.
I would give it to you